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Am I the only one who has a problem with the main entry for Cream Tea being at Devonshire tea? If no one objects I'm going to reverse this; Devonshire Tea should redirect to Cream tea, not the other way around. It's always called Devonshire tea in Australia, but it's English, after all and that's not what it's called in England! Quill 07:41, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
The idea that Cream Tea indicates British culture or British pretensions is not true in many parts of the Commonwealth. Although its origins are generally identified with Britain, in places such as Australia, it is thought of as a pastoral Commonwealth tradition, not a specifically British one.
Cornish cream teas are NOT served on a bread roll. And they are referred to as simply a "cream tea" among locals. A "Cornish" cream tea appears on menus in tourist towns to promote the idea of authentic "Cornish-ness". The same thing occurs with the Cornish pasty, locally it is just a pasty.
I'll add my name to the list of people who can confirm that cream teas in Cornwall are traditionally served with splits, i.e. soft-ish bread rolls, not scones. Scones are really a cream-tea-shop-tourist affectation. Bretonbanquet 20:42, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
I just came to add a picture I took for this page as it was listed on the requested images category. However, it appears this has already been done. If the person who added the image sees this, please remove the image from the request list if this has been filled. Thanks for your time. -- Xyra e l T 09:12, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
I know in Bath (and surrounding area) a cream tea is often served with a sally lunn and there are probably countless other variations. Would it not be better, therefore, to reorganise the page to give the norm first, and the variations (regional and otherwise) after? At present it doesn't flow well. Tomythius 23:03, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Can someone tell me where in the world Cucumber Sandwiches are part of a cream tea? Is someone confused with Afternoon Tea or is it a specific regional variation that I have never heard of, or something that may have fallen out of fashion in many a household? I'm English, have eaten a lot cream teas in many a home and have never heard of a cucumber sandwich being part of it. I'm not saying its wrong, I'd just like an explanation or elaboration, Thanks GQsm Talk | c 22:55, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Would a sentence or two on the subject of the order controversy be relevant. I was always taught that jam then cream was the 'correct' was to take low tea. If that is the case I would suggest a more accurate photo. MHDIV ɪŋglɪʃnɜː(r)d( Suggestion?| wanna chat?) 20:38, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm Devon born and bred, and I have never had it cream first. I was at the Annual Cream Tea Fair, and after asking one of the established Cream Tea makers, found out that the proper Devonian way was jam first, and Cornish was cream first. I strongly suggest what is written in the article should be more revised, especially as what I believe to be a correction has been reverted by a "vurriner"... Craitman H. Pellegrino ( talk) 11:03, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
621PWC ( talk) 01:04, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
Tea didn't come to europe till the 1600s, so while they might have enjoyed scones, clotted cream and jam in 997 A.D. Tavistock, it should be pointed out that the delicacies weren't being washed down with tea. Meltyman 05:22, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
"Another variation to a cream tea is called "Thunder and Lightning" which consists of a round of bread, topped with clotted cream and golden syrup.[1]" Are you sure this isnt just some American fantasy? 80.2.222.188 22:28, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Until recently I hadn't come across the term either, however it's in one of Nigella Lawsons cookbooks... what's interesting is she states that it's clotted cream topped with black treacle, not golden syrup... Crydwyn ( talk) 19:46, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Thunder and Lightning is cos cream = white for the lightening and the black treacle is like the night sky. When you spred the treacle over the cream you get white streaks appear in the treacle and hence the name thunder and lightening. I don't know how or where the american writer gets honey and golden syrup from. They taste good with cream, but have nothing to do with thunder and lightening. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.22.46.220 ( talk) 09:50, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
I agree that the term 'thunder and lightning' suggests that black treacle would be more appropriate, but personally I have never heard of anything other than golden syrup being used. That's not to say that at some time in the past, black treacle hasn't been used by some people - I'm not sure when golden syrup appeared on the market, maybe black treacle was an earlier version. Re the cream or jam first argument, speaking as a Cornish woman born and bred, I've seen it done both ways. I'm not sure which is the Devon way or which is the Cornwall way - surely it's a matter of taste? Personally, I put jam first because if I put cream first, I find it tricky to spread the jam on top. When I was a child, we used to put butter first, then jam and then cream. When I grew older and began to consider my waistline, I left out the butter! ( Maryjane22 ( talk) 09:08, 22 April 2013 (UTC))
IP 212.159.113.207 has twice inserted a reference to cream teas being sometimes served with whipped cream, rather than clotted cream. I'm prepared to believe that in some places that is indeed the case - but we need to be more specific about where this deplorable practice happens. It doesn't happen, so far as I know, in Devon or Cornwall where cream teas originate. We need to name and shame, or at least be more specific. Are we talking about cream teas being served with w*';!"d cream in cafes in other parts of Britain, or in other parts of the world? How common is this practice? Should it be stamped out? (OK, not really...) But, seriously, a "proper" cream tea, in my view, requires clotted cream, and this article needs to make that clear - with whipped cream being a (clearly inferior) substitute. What do others think?
Ghmyrtle (
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21:50, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
I've often had, or made, cream teas with whipped cream in England outside of Cornwall and Devonshire, since clotted cream is not readily available and it is still good though not as good. I had a cream tea in Australia recently and it was that gas whipped catering cream! Disgusting and certainly nothing you would get in Devon despite them calling it a Devonshire tea. 220.244.248.194 ( talk) 03:15, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
621PWC ( talk) 01:09, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
The picture box of scones with jam over cream is captioned "Cornish cream tea" despite the fact that the passage right next to it explains that jam on top is the devonshire method. I've corrected this minor mistake. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.251.151.64 ( talk) 19:11, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
Just wanted to add that, while I can't speak for the whole of Cornwall, splits are certainly not 'rare' in Redruth. I regularly buy half a dozen, especially if friends are coming for tea; they are readily available in Redruth and Camborne and, I suspect, in many other Cornish towns. I would never use scones; when we were children, if there were no splits in the house, we had our cream and jam (or golden syrup) on slices of white bread. ( Maryjane22 ( talk) 10:45, 17 April 2013 (UTC))
Yes, that seems sensible. I'm not sure how readily available Cornish splits would ever have been in the rest of the country, but certainly you can still get them quite easily down here I'm glad to say! ( Maryjane22 ( talk)) —Preceding undated comment added 15:56, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
'Devon cream tea' and the Devon method of making a cream tea is far more widely known than 'Cornish cream tea', as illustrated by e.g. 1,840,000 results in a Google search for the former and only 780,000 results for the latter. The article itself states (unchallenged) that the Devon method is "commonly used in neighbouring counties and other Commonwealth countries". I think the 'Devon' way should come first in the ordering, unless anybody can produce a source suggesting that the Cornish method is itself more common. In my experience, the 'Devon' method is more common -- and the fact there are far more results for 'Devon cream tea' support this. GhostOfNoMeme ( talk) 14:27, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
However I still think that the Cornish method is probably more popular... which is IMO better knownis a terrible reason for changing things. Just because you think that it's more popular doesn't mean it is. Personally I'm fine with it being alphabetical because there is no bias. Primefac ( talk) 15:33, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
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Am I the only one who has a problem with the main entry for Cream Tea being at Devonshire tea? If no one objects I'm going to reverse this; Devonshire Tea should redirect to Cream tea, not the other way around. It's always called Devonshire tea in Australia, but it's English, after all and that's not what it's called in England! Quill 07:41, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
The idea that Cream Tea indicates British culture or British pretensions is not true in many parts of the Commonwealth. Although its origins are generally identified with Britain, in places such as Australia, it is thought of as a pastoral Commonwealth tradition, not a specifically British one.
Cornish cream teas are NOT served on a bread roll. And they are referred to as simply a "cream tea" among locals. A "Cornish" cream tea appears on menus in tourist towns to promote the idea of authentic "Cornish-ness". The same thing occurs with the Cornish pasty, locally it is just a pasty.
I'll add my name to the list of people who can confirm that cream teas in Cornwall are traditionally served with splits, i.e. soft-ish bread rolls, not scones. Scones are really a cream-tea-shop-tourist affectation. Bretonbanquet 20:42, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
I just came to add a picture I took for this page as it was listed on the requested images category. However, it appears this has already been done. If the person who added the image sees this, please remove the image from the request list if this has been filled. Thanks for your time. -- Xyra e l T 09:12, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
I know in Bath (and surrounding area) a cream tea is often served with a sally lunn and there are probably countless other variations. Would it not be better, therefore, to reorganise the page to give the norm first, and the variations (regional and otherwise) after? At present it doesn't flow well. Tomythius 23:03, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Can someone tell me where in the world Cucumber Sandwiches are part of a cream tea? Is someone confused with Afternoon Tea or is it a specific regional variation that I have never heard of, or something that may have fallen out of fashion in many a household? I'm English, have eaten a lot cream teas in many a home and have never heard of a cucumber sandwich being part of it. I'm not saying its wrong, I'd just like an explanation or elaboration, Thanks GQsm Talk | c 22:55, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Would a sentence or two on the subject of the order controversy be relevant. I was always taught that jam then cream was the 'correct' was to take low tea. If that is the case I would suggest a more accurate photo. MHDIV ɪŋglɪʃnɜː(r)d( Suggestion?| wanna chat?) 20:38, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm Devon born and bred, and I have never had it cream first. I was at the Annual Cream Tea Fair, and after asking one of the established Cream Tea makers, found out that the proper Devonian way was jam first, and Cornish was cream first. I strongly suggest what is written in the article should be more revised, especially as what I believe to be a correction has been reverted by a "vurriner"... Craitman H. Pellegrino ( talk) 11:03, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
621PWC ( talk) 01:04, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
Tea didn't come to europe till the 1600s, so while they might have enjoyed scones, clotted cream and jam in 997 A.D. Tavistock, it should be pointed out that the delicacies weren't being washed down with tea. Meltyman 05:22, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
"Another variation to a cream tea is called "Thunder and Lightning" which consists of a round of bread, topped with clotted cream and golden syrup.[1]" Are you sure this isnt just some American fantasy? 80.2.222.188 22:28, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Until recently I hadn't come across the term either, however it's in one of Nigella Lawsons cookbooks... what's interesting is she states that it's clotted cream topped with black treacle, not golden syrup... Crydwyn ( talk) 19:46, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Thunder and Lightning is cos cream = white for the lightening and the black treacle is like the night sky. When you spred the treacle over the cream you get white streaks appear in the treacle and hence the name thunder and lightening. I don't know how or where the american writer gets honey and golden syrup from. They taste good with cream, but have nothing to do with thunder and lightening. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.22.46.220 ( talk) 09:50, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
I agree that the term 'thunder and lightning' suggests that black treacle would be more appropriate, but personally I have never heard of anything other than golden syrup being used. That's not to say that at some time in the past, black treacle hasn't been used by some people - I'm not sure when golden syrup appeared on the market, maybe black treacle was an earlier version. Re the cream or jam first argument, speaking as a Cornish woman born and bred, I've seen it done both ways. I'm not sure which is the Devon way or which is the Cornwall way - surely it's a matter of taste? Personally, I put jam first because if I put cream first, I find it tricky to spread the jam on top. When I was a child, we used to put butter first, then jam and then cream. When I grew older and began to consider my waistline, I left out the butter! ( Maryjane22 ( talk) 09:08, 22 April 2013 (UTC))
IP 212.159.113.207 has twice inserted a reference to cream teas being sometimes served with whipped cream, rather than clotted cream. I'm prepared to believe that in some places that is indeed the case - but we need to be more specific about where this deplorable practice happens. It doesn't happen, so far as I know, in Devon or Cornwall where cream teas originate. We need to name and shame, or at least be more specific. Are we talking about cream teas being served with w*';!"d cream in cafes in other parts of Britain, or in other parts of the world? How common is this practice? Should it be stamped out? (OK, not really...) But, seriously, a "proper" cream tea, in my view, requires clotted cream, and this article needs to make that clear - with whipped cream being a (clearly inferior) substitute. What do others think?
Ghmyrtle (
talk)
21:50, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
I've often had, or made, cream teas with whipped cream in England outside of Cornwall and Devonshire, since clotted cream is not readily available and it is still good though not as good. I had a cream tea in Australia recently and it was that gas whipped catering cream! Disgusting and certainly nothing you would get in Devon despite them calling it a Devonshire tea. 220.244.248.194 ( talk) 03:15, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
621PWC ( talk) 01:09, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
The picture box of scones with jam over cream is captioned "Cornish cream tea" despite the fact that the passage right next to it explains that jam on top is the devonshire method. I've corrected this minor mistake. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.251.151.64 ( talk) 19:11, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
Just wanted to add that, while I can't speak for the whole of Cornwall, splits are certainly not 'rare' in Redruth. I regularly buy half a dozen, especially if friends are coming for tea; they are readily available in Redruth and Camborne and, I suspect, in many other Cornish towns. I would never use scones; when we were children, if there were no splits in the house, we had our cream and jam (or golden syrup) on slices of white bread. ( Maryjane22 ( talk) 10:45, 17 April 2013 (UTC))
Yes, that seems sensible. I'm not sure how readily available Cornish splits would ever have been in the rest of the country, but certainly you can still get them quite easily down here I'm glad to say! ( Maryjane22 ( talk)) —Preceding undated comment added 15:56, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
'Devon cream tea' and the Devon method of making a cream tea is far more widely known than 'Cornish cream tea', as illustrated by e.g. 1,840,000 results in a Google search for the former and only 780,000 results for the latter. The article itself states (unchallenged) that the Devon method is "commonly used in neighbouring counties and other Commonwealth countries". I think the 'Devon' way should come first in the ordering, unless anybody can produce a source suggesting that the Cornish method is itself more common. In my experience, the 'Devon' method is more common -- and the fact there are far more results for 'Devon cream tea' support this. GhostOfNoMeme ( talk) 14:27, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
However I still think that the Cornish method is probably more popular... which is IMO better knownis a terrible reason for changing things. Just because you think that it's more popular doesn't mean it is. Personally I'm fine with it being alphabetical because there is no bias. Primefac ( talk) 15:33, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
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