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From the article: "While various colors of cornmeal are used, the preference in the north tends to be for yellow cornmeal, whereas the south is heavily biased towards white cornmeal."
I have never seen cornbread made of white cornmeal and live in the south, and quite enjoy cornbread. I wonder if this was someone added this intending to make some sort of unsavory inference (even though as a strange a place it is to do so)... because really, I have never seen white cornbread!-- 172.175.232.83 09:57, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)
"White cornmeal is preferred over yellow corn meal in the southern United States". Is it one word or two? If it can be spelled either way then the article should really standardise one one. Thryduulf 16:58, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
What about hushpuppies? Verdad 20:45, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Please remember as we debate the finer points of cornbread to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~) Iamvered 22:06, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Yeast leaveners raise chemically also, so couldn't we find another description rather than 'chemically'? Also, I don't know where eggs would fit into the 'mix'. Anchoress 02:14, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Could anyone put a good description of what that pan made cornbread picture is exactly?
jptdrake 07:24, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Should there be a trivia section? For example, 2 Gryphon used Cornbread as an incitive to get his co-host to do his segment of the show ("Furry News"). Tikuko 18:27, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
What about merging the article Broa with this one, it would make sense to me.-- 194.251.240.117 06:46, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
"The term "eating the cornbread" is also used in sports talk radio to refer to fans who digest everything that a team's management says and believes it without question. It derives from the time of slavery when the slave masters had cornbread as a staple of the slaves' food because it was cheap to buy and filling to eat. In today's context, the fans are slaves to the team ownership and eat everything the team gives them willingly and hungrily, even if it is a substandard product.
The Detroit Lions mandated that the non-rights holding sportsradio station in Detroit, Michigan WDFN stop calling their postgame show "The WDFN Detroit Lions Postgame Show". So, in a majority of the fans vote on line, on October 21, 2007, the Lions postgame show on WDFN was officially called "Cornbread Corner" hosted by Sean Baligian.
See also: Drink the Kool-Aid"
I have deleted the section found above in quotes. This entry belongs on Urban Dictionary, not Wikipedia. This is for a number of reasons. First, the inherant racial undertones are not exceeded by the informative nature of the entry. Second, the it totally irrelevant to the article. Third, it is an un-common slang usage that does not merit inclusion in an ENCYCLOPEDIA. If a desire is expressed to discuss how slaves were fed cornbread due to cost, that might be a logical way of introducing this slang term, but on its own it does not possess an informative content significant enough to merit inclusion here. Finally, and most importantly, this is a short-term reference relating to a single sports show episode that is unlikely to catch on. It seems like the poster was motivated more by love of the show than the desire to present information. Stick it on Urban Dictionary. Jo7hs2 22:32, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Removed this:
This is just stupid. Not everyone plays sport and is a american, keep this food related guys. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14:49, 13 April 2008 ( talk) 58.170.62.8 (UTC)
Cornpone is not baked but fried in traditions I am aware of. I think this should be corrected in the main article. I'll wait and see if anyone doesnt agree. Certainly at the very least it should say "baked or fried" Carlw4514 ( talk) 16:04, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
I do not mean to insult the author(s) of this article, but it is horribly written. It reads like a grade school essay. It needs not just a series of revisions, but to be chucked in its entirety and re-written from scratch in encyclopedic style with sources cited. I see nothing salvageable. 72.11.124.226 ( talk) 16:46, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
This article has much good material, but it is confused and inconsistent in some ways. The only way anyone could really fix it would be to completely reorganize it--essentially rewriting it largely from scratch. I would hesitate to do so, for part of the inconsistency seems to be based on geographical variations, even within the American South. And I'm sure there are places, especially cities, where outside, non-Southern influences have entered. Part of the confusion seems also to result from accounts by people without any real personal tradition of this food. Notwithstanding wikipedia's insistence on "reliable" published sources, this is the sort of subject where personal experience is best, especially if it takes into account regional variation.
The following passage from the article provides one example of confusion
For one thing, this completely confuses baked cornbread (yes, traditionally with the skillet or pan greased with lard, but with many people today substituting oil or whatever) and hoe cakes (which are fried as small cakes rather than as one large pone).The distinction is not the container, as bread can be baked in a skillet or fried in the same skillet as hoe cakes. As for ingredients, eggs are optional (some members of my family always have disagreed on this). As for milk, it has to be butter milk in order for the bread to rise. And a passage such as "usually served as an accompaniment rather than as a bread served as a regular course" seems to represent mere personal, even perhaps eccentric, preference,as the big hot pone of "bread" traditionally has been a main part of a big meal. Parts of this passage seem to represent good advice (e.g., heating the skillet first) but not necessarily how it is usually done. And there are many other subtleties; for example, hoe cakes tend, at least in my experience, to be something prepared in a hurry, not for Sunday dinner (although they an be even better than a baked pone). As for crumbling it in milk, that is true (my mother loved a snack of "milk and bread") but that normally is just a way of using cold leftovers for, say, a midnight snack. Sorry, I don't mean to be cranky about all this. Eleanor1944 ( talk) 20:58, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
I strongly decry the statement that cornbread originated from soul food. In fact, Native Americans had been eating nyxtamalized and untreated maize for centuries before the first African was introduced to the Americas. The first European settlers also adopted maize as a staple and useful food. Grits, hoecakes, hominy and all sorts of unleavened maize breads must, in all fairness, be credited to the cultures of the Native Americans from which they actually originated. Does anyone object to correcting this statement? Cobaltcanarycherry ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:15, 14 February 2012 (UTC).
I've moved " In the border states and parts of the Upper South, a cross between the two traditions is known as "light cornbread."" here to discuss. It's obviously unsourced. What I found that relates if not to border states but to the Civil War is "light cornbread A spongy cornbread made by southern soldiers (and often by their northern prisoners). The soft part of the cornbread was soaked overnight, making it sour. This was whipped into a light, sweet batter by adding soda. New extra meal was then added to provide more body before the bread was baked." from The Language of the Civil War## By John D. Wright [1], repeated at [2]. I can find recipes for a "light cornbread" but they are made with cornmeal and flour and don't say anything about being a cross. I'll check my cornbread cookbooks next. Dougweller ( talk) 11:04, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
The Portuguese also make a yeasted cornbread. [3] And here's a recipe for an American one. [4] Doug Weller talk 21:39, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
The article says it's a quick bread, but it's on List of cakes which identifies it as such. Which one is it? TypoEater ( talk) 16:15, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
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From the article: "While various colors of cornmeal are used, the preference in the north tends to be for yellow cornmeal, whereas the south is heavily biased towards white cornmeal."
I have never seen cornbread made of white cornmeal and live in the south, and quite enjoy cornbread. I wonder if this was someone added this intending to make some sort of unsavory inference (even though as a strange a place it is to do so)... because really, I have never seen white cornbread!-- 172.175.232.83 09:57, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)
"White cornmeal is preferred over yellow corn meal in the southern United States". Is it one word or two? If it can be spelled either way then the article should really standardise one one. Thryduulf 16:58, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
What about hushpuppies? Verdad 20:45, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Please remember as we debate the finer points of cornbread to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~) Iamvered 22:06, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Yeast leaveners raise chemically also, so couldn't we find another description rather than 'chemically'? Also, I don't know where eggs would fit into the 'mix'. Anchoress 02:14, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Could anyone put a good description of what that pan made cornbread picture is exactly?
jptdrake 07:24, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Should there be a trivia section? For example, 2 Gryphon used Cornbread as an incitive to get his co-host to do his segment of the show ("Furry News"). Tikuko 18:27, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
What about merging the article Broa with this one, it would make sense to me.-- 194.251.240.117 06:46, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
"The term "eating the cornbread" is also used in sports talk radio to refer to fans who digest everything that a team's management says and believes it without question. It derives from the time of slavery when the slave masters had cornbread as a staple of the slaves' food because it was cheap to buy and filling to eat. In today's context, the fans are slaves to the team ownership and eat everything the team gives them willingly and hungrily, even if it is a substandard product.
The Detroit Lions mandated that the non-rights holding sportsradio station in Detroit, Michigan WDFN stop calling their postgame show "The WDFN Detroit Lions Postgame Show". So, in a majority of the fans vote on line, on October 21, 2007, the Lions postgame show on WDFN was officially called "Cornbread Corner" hosted by Sean Baligian.
See also: Drink the Kool-Aid"
I have deleted the section found above in quotes. This entry belongs on Urban Dictionary, not Wikipedia. This is for a number of reasons. First, the inherant racial undertones are not exceeded by the informative nature of the entry. Second, the it totally irrelevant to the article. Third, it is an un-common slang usage that does not merit inclusion in an ENCYCLOPEDIA. If a desire is expressed to discuss how slaves were fed cornbread due to cost, that might be a logical way of introducing this slang term, but on its own it does not possess an informative content significant enough to merit inclusion here. Finally, and most importantly, this is a short-term reference relating to a single sports show episode that is unlikely to catch on. It seems like the poster was motivated more by love of the show than the desire to present information. Stick it on Urban Dictionary. Jo7hs2 22:32, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Removed this:
This is just stupid. Not everyone plays sport and is a american, keep this food related guys. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14:49, 13 April 2008 ( talk) 58.170.62.8 (UTC)
Cornpone is not baked but fried in traditions I am aware of. I think this should be corrected in the main article. I'll wait and see if anyone doesnt agree. Certainly at the very least it should say "baked or fried" Carlw4514 ( talk) 16:04, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
I do not mean to insult the author(s) of this article, but it is horribly written. It reads like a grade school essay. It needs not just a series of revisions, but to be chucked in its entirety and re-written from scratch in encyclopedic style with sources cited. I see nothing salvageable. 72.11.124.226 ( talk) 16:46, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
This article has much good material, but it is confused and inconsistent in some ways. The only way anyone could really fix it would be to completely reorganize it--essentially rewriting it largely from scratch. I would hesitate to do so, for part of the inconsistency seems to be based on geographical variations, even within the American South. And I'm sure there are places, especially cities, where outside, non-Southern influences have entered. Part of the confusion seems also to result from accounts by people without any real personal tradition of this food. Notwithstanding wikipedia's insistence on "reliable" published sources, this is the sort of subject where personal experience is best, especially if it takes into account regional variation.
The following passage from the article provides one example of confusion
For one thing, this completely confuses baked cornbread (yes, traditionally with the skillet or pan greased with lard, but with many people today substituting oil or whatever) and hoe cakes (which are fried as small cakes rather than as one large pone).The distinction is not the container, as bread can be baked in a skillet or fried in the same skillet as hoe cakes. As for ingredients, eggs are optional (some members of my family always have disagreed on this). As for milk, it has to be butter milk in order for the bread to rise. And a passage such as "usually served as an accompaniment rather than as a bread served as a regular course" seems to represent mere personal, even perhaps eccentric, preference,as the big hot pone of "bread" traditionally has been a main part of a big meal. Parts of this passage seem to represent good advice (e.g., heating the skillet first) but not necessarily how it is usually done. And there are many other subtleties; for example, hoe cakes tend, at least in my experience, to be something prepared in a hurry, not for Sunday dinner (although they an be even better than a baked pone). As for crumbling it in milk, that is true (my mother loved a snack of "milk and bread") but that normally is just a way of using cold leftovers for, say, a midnight snack. Sorry, I don't mean to be cranky about all this. Eleanor1944 ( talk) 20:58, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
I strongly decry the statement that cornbread originated from soul food. In fact, Native Americans had been eating nyxtamalized and untreated maize for centuries before the first African was introduced to the Americas. The first European settlers also adopted maize as a staple and useful food. Grits, hoecakes, hominy and all sorts of unleavened maize breads must, in all fairness, be credited to the cultures of the Native Americans from which they actually originated. Does anyone object to correcting this statement? Cobaltcanarycherry ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:15, 14 February 2012 (UTC).
I've moved " In the border states and parts of the Upper South, a cross between the two traditions is known as "light cornbread."" here to discuss. It's obviously unsourced. What I found that relates if not to border states but to the Civil War is "light cornbread A spongy cornbread made by southern soldiers (and often by their northern prisoners). The soft part of the cornbread was soaked overnight, making it sour. This was whipped into a light, sweet batter by adding soda. New extra meal was then added to provide more body before the bread was baked." from The Language of the Civil War## By John D. Wright [1], repeated at [2]. I can find recipes for a "light cornbread" but they are made with cornmeal and flour and don't say anything about being a cross. I'll check my cornbread cookbooks next. Dougweller ( talk) 11:04, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
The Portuguese also make a yeasted cornbread. [3] And here's a recipe for an American one. [4] Doug Weller talk 21:39, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
The article says it's a quick bread, but it's on List of cakes which identifies it as such. Which one is it? TypoEater ( talk) 16:15, 2 October 2023 (UTC)