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Alright I am probably going to need help on this one. The intial draft is very poorly worded but its something. I'll try to clean it up and augment it next week. cheers. GrazingshipIV
I noticed an error: The flag is the flag of France - not the flag of the Confederation of the Rhine. I presume, that the confederation has never had an own flag. But the different member states of the confederation used their flags for themselves. The member states of the Confederation of the Rhine had not been part of France, but had accepted Napoleon in his function as "protector". This fact doesn't make the Confederation of the Rhine a part of France. So the flag of France is no official symbol for the Confederation of the Rhine! The member states had been co-founders of the Confederation of the Rhine. So they had been subjects not objects of international law. Formally they kept their sovereignty and were no client states of France. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.207.181.26 ( talk • contribs)
Sorry, 52 Pickup, but the honoured tricolor is not the flag of the Conf. of the Rhine. I can't remember clearly but I THINK it was orange-ish and had sort of a white rising sun. Main point: That is not the right flag. I wikianswer-ed it and found this out. Philippe Auguste 01:49, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Mostamazing ( talk) 17:07, 21 February 2017 (UTC)I was looking at this topic and found that according to alternate wikipedia sources, The Confederation of the Rhine was indeed represented by one flag, as seen here, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flag-map_of_the_Confederation_of_the_Rhine_(1812).svg and here http://historicalnations.wikia.com/wiki/Confederation_of_the_Rhine If you can please look into this and maybe edit your wiki page. Mostamazing ( talk) 17:07, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
I understand, I stated no sources therefore what I say isn't reliable. But that flag is one I've seen before used for the Conf. of the Rhine. The other one I said I saw before in an almanac somewhere. How'd you find/make the flag here? Maybe I could show you what I saw. Philippe Auguste ( talk) 23:38, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
The French flag as the flag of the Conf. of Rhine would mean, that the Conf. of Rhine was a part of France or France was the suzerain of it. But France was - following the Rheinbundakte (contract between France and 16 German princes) - only the military alliance partner of the Conf. of Rhine and no part of it. The emperor of France was only the "protector" and no suzerain of the Conf. of Rhine. So I presume that there was no official flag of the Conf. of Rhine. Its members used their individual flags, because they have kept their souverainity and wanted to show it. 82.207.181.26 ( talk) 13:50, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
It says, that all of the Holy Roman Empire except for Danish Holstein, Swedish Pommern, Prussia and Austria were part of the Confederation of the Rhine, the land west of the Rhine and large parts of northwestern Germany were incorporated into France. This misregards Erfurt, which was incorporated into France as well when obtained from Prussia, and which was consequently not part of the Confederation. The wording should be redone in this sense or a clause be added that mentions this fact. 87.234.124.78 21:17, 12 July 2007 (UTC)Toscho
I'd like to change it to a table, so that it can be organized in different ways. Any objections? Andrew 6 47 15:00, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
I don't think, that the Confederation of the Rhine had been a state or a client-state. I think the Confederation of the Rhine had been a confederation of client-states (please look into the "Rheinbundakte", the treaty between France an the 16 german princes!). The "Rheinbund"-states had been de iure souverain, but de facto clients of France. So the article should be corrected in this point! Tfjt ( talk) 18:36, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Does that exact phrasing have any legitimacy in English?
A preliminary web search does not reveal any. The "Flags of the World" site is not a guide to English language usage.
"Rhine Confederation" is one literal translation of the German Rheinbund, yes, but that appears to be all.
That phrasing can be restored with a proper citation.
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I think that we should include the "Alleged flag of the Rhine Confederation" for the following reasons:
I invite User:Jangga0118 and User:Pinkbeast to stop edit warring and try to reach a consensus. Koopinator ( talk) 18:24, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
Why the hell is an unsourced picture of medal (??) being put in place of a non-existent coat of arms? -- 178.252.126.70 ( talk) 00:50, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
I think we should add the alleged flag of the confederation of the rhine , and if some people don’t want to add it because it’s "non-official" flag we can always just add "alleged flag" on the bottom. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dobledude44 ( talk • contribs) 16:18, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
I cannot click on the three maps of the CotR in the table, and they are unreadable and useless in this size. I don't know how to fix it, but if you do, please, fix it. -- Krmarci ( talk) 06:35, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
I managed to email the author of flaggenlexikon and asked him about the Confederation of the Rhine flag. His response is written below:
"Now you ask me from where I got the picture of the flag. Unfortunately, I can not tell you. When I started the Flaggenlexikon, I worked without any sources at all. It was a small hobby project that grew and grew. Later I worked on the sources. When I revised the Confederation of the Rhine, it was no longer possible to keep track of it. But it is a fact that the Confederation of the Rhine certainly did not have a flag. That is why I have kept the flag mentioned, pointing out this fact, and the word "alleged" was added from the beginning. It is regrettable that facts are created from this, but for me it is also part of the process of gaining knowledge. Wikipedia seems to me to be the appropriate platform for this." Throwawayaccount1871 ( talk) 20:25, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
But it is a fact that the Confederation of the Rhine certainly did not have a flag.
Now that the article is moderated, perhaps the spurious flag images ( File:Flag_of_the_Confederation_of_the_Rhine.png and File:Alleged_flag_of_the_Rhine_Confederation_1806-13.svg) should be deleted. I have already removed all article links to the former. The latter is used in articles on 16 Wikipedia sites, and my understanding for correcting these is:
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Alright I am probably going to need help on this one. The intial draft is very poorly worded but its something. I'll try to clean it up and augment it next week. cheers. GrazingshipIV
I noticed an error: The flag is the flag of France - not the flag of the Confederation of the Rhine. I presume, that the confederation has never had an own flag. But the different member states of the confederation used their flags for themselves. The member states of the Confederation of the Rhine had not been part of France, but had accepted Napoleon in his function as "protector". This fact doesn't make the Confederation of the Rhine a part of France. So the flag of France is no official symbol for the Confederation of the Rhine! The member states had been co-founders of the Confederation of the Rhine. So they had been subjects not objects of international law. Formally they kept their sovereignty and were no client states of France. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.207.181.26 ( talk • contribs)
Sorry, 52 Pickup, but the honoured tricolor is not the flag of the Conf. of the Rhine. I can't remember clearly but I THINK it was orange-ish and had sort of a white rising sun. Main point: That is not the right flag. I wikianswer-ed it and found this out. Philippe Auguste 01:49, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Mostamazing ( talk) 17:07, 21 February 2017 (UTC)I was looking at this topic and found that according to alternate wikipedia sources, The Confederation of the Rhine was indeed represented by one flag, as seen here, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flag-map_of_the_Confederation_of_the_Rhine_(1812).svg and here http://historicalnations.wikia.com/wiki/Confederation_of_the_Rhine If you can please look into this and maybe edit your wiki page. Mostamazing ( talk) 17:07, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
I understand, I stated no sources therefore what I say isn't reliable. But that flag is one I've seen before used for the Conf. of the Rhine. The other one I said I saw before in an almanac somewhere. How'd you find/make the flag here? Maybe I could show you what I saw. Philippe Auguste ( talk) 23:38, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
The French flag as the flag of the Conf. of Rhine would mean, that the Conf. of Rhine was a part of France or France was the suzerain of it. But France was - following the Rheinbundakte (contract between France and 16 German princes) - only the military alliance partner of the Conf. of Rhine and no part of it. The emperor of France was only the "protector" and no suzerain of the Conf. of Rhine. So I presume that there was no official flag of the Conf. of Rhine. Its members used their individual flags, because they have kept their souverainity and wanted to show it. 82.207.181.26 ( talk) 13:50, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
It says, that all of the Holy Roman Empire except for Danish Holstein, Swedish Pommern, Prussia and Austria were part of the Confederation of the Rhine, the land west of the Rhine and large parts of northwestern Germany were incorporated into France. This misregards Erfurt, which was incorporated into France as well when obtained from Prussia, and which was consequently not part of the Confederation. The wording should be redone in this sense or a clause be added that mentions this fact. 87.234.124.78 21:17, 12 July 2007 (UTC)Toscho
I'd like to change it to a table, so that it can be organized in different ways. Any objections? Andrew 6 47 15:00, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
I don't think, that the Confederation of the Rhine had been a state or a client-state. I think the Confederation of the Rhine had been a confederation of client-states (please look into the "Rheinbundakte", the treaty between France an the 16 german princes!). The "Rheinbund"-states had been de iure souverain, but de facto clients of France. So the article should be corrected in this point! Tfjt ( talk) 18:36, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Does that exact phrasing have any legitimacy in English?
A preliminary web search does not reveal any. The "Flags of the World" site is not a guide to English language usage.
"Rhine Confederation" is one literal translation of the German Rheinbund, yes, but that appears to be all.
That phrasing can be restored with a proper citation.
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I think that we should include the "Alleged flag of the Rhine Confederation" for the following reasons:
I invite User:Jangga0118 and User:Pinkbeast to stop edit warring and try to reach a consensus. Koopinator ( talk) 18:24, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
Why the hell is an unsourced picture of medal (??) being put in place of a non-existent coat of arms? -- 178.252.126.70 ( talk) 00:50, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
I think we should add the alleged flag of the confederation of the rhine , and if some people don’t want to add it because it’s "non-official" flag we can always just add "alleged flag" on the bottom. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dobledude44 ( talk • contribs) 16:18, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
I cannot click on the three maps of the CotR in the table, and they are unreadable and useless in this size. I don't know how to fix it, but if you do, please, fix it. -- Krmarci ( talk) 06:35, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
I managed to email the author of flaggenlexikon and asked him about the Confederation of the Rhine flag. His response is written below:
"Now you ask me from where I got the picture of the flag. Unfortunately, I can not tell you. When I started the Flaggenlexikon, I worked without any sources at all. It was a small hobby project that grew and grew. Later I worked on the sources. When I revised the Confederation of the Rhine, it was no longer possible to keep track of it. But it is a fact that the Confederation of the Rhine certainly did not have a flag. That is why I have kept the flag mentioned, pointing out this fact, and the word "alleged" was added from the beginning. It is regrettable that facts are created from this, but for me it is also part of the process of gaining knowledge. Wikipedia seems to me to be the appropriate platform for this." Throwawayaccount1871 ( talk) 20:25, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
But it is a fact that the Confederation of the Rhine certainly did not have a flag.
Now that the article is moderated, perhaps the spurious flag images ( File:Flag_of_the_Confederation_of_the_Rhine.png and File:Alleged_flag_of_the_Rhine_Confederation_1806-13.svg) should be deleted. I have already removed all article links to the former. The latter is used in articles on 16 Wikipedia sites, and my understanding for correcting these is: