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This section is too short. I am thinking of adding more well-sourced information about how different components of compost are able to contribute to pathogen removal. Figrainfall ( talk) 12:26, 11 April 2021 (UTC) 0 We have added more words to the pathogen removal section. I think we need to read through and fish for passive language.( talk)
I have updated this page to align with the new Bokashi (horticulture) main article. Most of the old content is covered in the new and is relatively unimportant; some was just plain wrong; the single citation and the trademark "effective microorganisms" were commercials.
Having seen this in context I think that it should be moved from Compost#Other systems at a household level to Compost#Related technologies. Bokashi is also used above household level, and it is a different technology - using fermentation not decomposition - which puts it at odds with the definition at the start of Compost.
I also wonder whether it would be better to move the list of advantages into the main article, In favour, it might be thought heavy. Against, the comparison is notable knowledge for readers of the Compost page, who might not click across. Manofcarbon ( talk) 20:01, 15 January 2019 (UTC) Malcolm
It is not the best place here to note this, but an opportunity, please:
"the trademark "effective microorganisms" were commercials".
There are only two EXACT trademarks of this commercial product, (EM Effective Microorganisms, EFFECTIVE MICROORGANISMS); the exact correctly words and letters I can here remind not quite correct, please, sorry. And trademarks are just a mark as (in words and letters) REGISTERED.
(What I want to note to is: There is a commercial product, but it is a name - new - to what is already ever in the soil.
Now can come a fight about, call it just organisms, microorganisms, ... NO. Sorry. Despite of there is a thing called Indigene Microorganisms also.)
This product (effective microorganisms) can be done homemade, with just some sorts of milk acidic bacteria. Because of less than the 80 sorts in the commercial product, now (from the trademark (?)) may not be called effective microorganisms ? It appears.
Just saying: effective microorganisms is not ONLY a commercial product. --
Visionhelp (
talk) 08:24, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
I removed this section which had been added to the very front of the article (not the right place) and also contained no references. If you want it back in please discuss here and also reconsider where in the article it fits best (probably under terminology):
"===Commercial composts=== In the British Isles - and possibly elsewhere - the term “compost” can also refer to potting mixes which are bagged up and sold commercially in garden centres and other outlets. This may include composted materials such as manure and peat, but is also likely to contain loam, fertilisers, sand, grit, etc. By far the most popular of these are the multi-purpose composts designed for most aspects of planting. There are also growbags, designed to have crops such as tomatoes directly planted into them. There is a range of specialist composts available, e.g. for vegetables, orchids, houseplants, hanging baskets, roses, ericaceous plants, seedlings, potting on etc. The term “compost” in this sense will also include the various products in the John Innes compost range." EMsmile ( talk) 14:13, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
Something could be said about how different kinds of composting produce different amounts of CO2 and methane and N2O. -- Error ( talk) 10:32, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
Is this worth a mention as technique? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mlepisto ( talk • contribs) 23:29, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi.
Pathogens are in organic - Eco - manure as well as in ´traditionel´ - chemical treated food, and what else - manure ? --
Visionhelp (
talk) 07:49, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, You did not remove - in a Talk page ! - it really. It is not a claim, it is a question, to recognize from the question mark. Visionhelp ( talk) 13:00, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
" ´Not all Pathogens do go with temperatures above 50°C´ ": OK. (A saying against heat composting is secure. But: Because of ´life into soil´ I speak basically against heat composting.)
I took a view into that topic,
/info/en/?search=Pathogenicity.
Quote (from the german version of this article (translated with
http://free-website-translation.com/?de)):
"Pathogenicity ( retronym suitcase word from the Greek πάθος pathos “suffering, disease” and γένεσις genesis “generation, birth”, cf. -genesis ) is the fundamental ability of infectious agents ( bacteria , parasites , viruses , prions , toxins ), diseases in certain organisms to evoke. [1] The adjective for this is pathogenic (pathogenic, potentially pathogenic), the opposite is non-pathogenic(not pathogenic). Pathogens also with the noun (the) pathogen called. The extent of the pathogenicity (ability of the pathogen to multiply and the intensity of the toxin formation) is referred to as virulence , without a uniform measure being defined for it. [2]".
This to me does say: this is a basic big and comprehensive topic. But not a never-ending.
It further does let me recognize, that in global nature already pathogenic is never to exclude, already without the all the addings from the human being.
With this info about this base I want to stop this point here for now.
To (quote) "Most of what survives will stay in the soil and never be taken up by plants": A need to this I cannot follow.
But alone to avoid poisons in plants I do prefer Eco.
Therefor this my question here, but sorry the double wording (manure) question.
Visionhelp (
talk) 09:49, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
From the section titled, "Pathogen removal"...
Thermophilic (high-temperature) composting is well known to destroy many seeds and nearly all types of pathogens (exceptions may include prions). The sanitizing qualities of (thermophilic) composting are desirable where there is a high likelihood of pathogens, such as with manure.
From me...
The word "thermophilic" does not mean "high-temperature". The correct meaning is "heat-loving". For example, thermophilic bacteria are heat-loving bacteria. -- Thibeinn ( talk) 18:43, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
Edmonton Composting Facility is no longer operating and will be demolished according to that page. So maybe it should be in past tense morsontologica ( talk) 09:35, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi User:Sadads some of the big changes that you made in October I disagree with. In particular: you have removed the entire section about composting toilets? Secondly, you have changed the part on animal waste and human waste a lot, to the extent of copying/excerpting the lead from reuse of excreta. This is what the "excerpt" method does, right? It always takes the entire lead from the other article? I don't think this makes sense here because composting is only one technology used for reuse of excreta. EMsmile ( talk) 06:18, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
I was struck by User:Sadads comment above on the 'wildly inconsistent and bad content in the article', I had the same reaction when I came across this article. A few people have contributed to improving it recently and I propose to somewhat boldly fix the composting technologies section. Currently the Compost#Composting technologies section highlights several processes that have nothing to do with the aerobic breakdown of organics. Assuming that the definition of aerobic decomposition is agreed upon as the the basis for composting, then these topics need to be downgraded to brief mentions in the last paragraph on related technologies:
Additionally, Compost#Composting technologies#compost tea isn't a composting technologiy, it's method of applying compost and should be moved to Compost#Uses section.
Counterintuitively, the processes that appear to actually produce compost: in-vessel composting, aerated static pile composting and windrow composting are given single word links. I believe that each of these should be linked with excerpts from the related articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Walkabout14 ( talk • contribs) 14:35, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
References
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cite book}}
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(
help)
tilley2
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).EMsmile ( talk) 03:11, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
It has been shown to be effective, for example, in heating greenhouses. Heating and cooling of houses are big uses of energy and sources of carbon emissions, such a natural heating method should be important in the future.
This isn't covered and it is very important as lower temperatures are sufficient if maintained for more time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicholas1313Anderson ( talk • contribs) 19:50, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
I am thinking of adding a little more information on compost tea because it is a vital compost product and is really useful for pathogen control. Should I make a new section on compost extracts or differentiate between the two under the compost tea section? Figrainfall ( talk) 12:18, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
I went a little bit in depth into compost tea production and explained a few concepts. I think we need to develop the compost extracts section EmmanuelFiagbe ( talk)
Compost tea is a mixture of nutrients and aerobic bacteria, fungi, nematodes and other microbes that live in finished compost. It takes time to separate these organisms from compost, which is why compost tea is made by steeping compost in water for a day or more. To create compost tea, you'll need compost and it can be locally acquired or natively constructed, as long as it's totally completed the process of fertilizing the soil. Completed manure has a sweet smell. [1] The measure of fertilizer required fluctuates relying upon the measure of tea you're preparing. For a 5-gallon group, you'll need around 4 cups of manure. A group in a 25-gallon garbage bin will require around 20 cups of manure. Keep away from fertilizers that contain creature excrement, as it might hold e-coli microscopic organisms. Albeit the tea-production cycle should execute e-coli, it's smarter to be protected than sorry. citation needed Compost tea contains a considerable amount of soluble mineral nutrients that are readily available for plant uptake that facilitate crop growth and yield. citation neededEMsmile ( talk) 04:10, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
References
Article largely repeats information found in main article without references, and not well maintained. Might be a few things of value still worth merging Sadads ( talk) 19:07, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
On-Farm Composting Methods, from FOOD AND AGRICULTURE ORGANIZATION OF THE UNITED NATIONS, Rome, 2003
http://www.fao.org/3/y5104e/y5104e00.htm#Contents
--
Visionhelp (
talk) 13:25, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
There is very little about practical home composting, which should be corrected as it would make the story more complete and also encourage the practice, which is easy and very productive. There is much on the Web, e.g. the Cornell Waste Management Institute Web site and many others around the world. 2.27.145.218 ( talk) 22:47, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
Humanure currently redirects here, but the term isn't used anywhere in the article body. Is there scope to add a mention somewhere, so the redirect doesn't result in confusion, or should it be retargeted — for example, to Permaculture, where it seems to be discussed in most depth, or Reuse of human excreta, which is probably the main article on the topic? Or does the paucity of mentions of the term in the encyclopaedia suggest the redirect should be deleted and Humanure (album) moved to the base name? – Arms & Hearts ( talk) 17:22, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
Interoduce compost fertilzer . Give any two example of it. 2407:5200:300:45BC:7972:58E:27AD:A0E9 ( talk) 02:01, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 5 February 2021 and 21 May 2021. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Nicholas1313Anderson, Figrainfall, EmmanuelFiagbe.
Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 19:24, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
This article is or was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Maw057. Peer reviewers: Maw057.
Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 18:13, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
This section is too short. I am thinking of adding more well-sourced information about how different components of compost are able to contribute to pathogen removal. Figrainfall ( talk) 12:26, 11 April 2021 (UTC) 0 We have added more words to the pathogen removal section. I think we need to read through and fish for passive language.( talk)
I have updated this page to align with the new Bokashi (horticulture) main article. Most of the old content is covered in the new and is relatively unimportant; some was just plain wrong; the single citation and the trademark "effective microorganisms" were commercials.
Having seen this in context I think that it should be moved from Compost#Other systems at a household level to Compost#Related technologies. Bokashi is also used above household level, and it is a different technology - using fermentation not decomposition - which puts it at odds with the definition at the start of Compost.
I also wonder whether it would be better to move the list of advantages into the main article, In favour, it might be thought heavy. Against, the comparison is notable knowledge for readers of the Compost page, who might not click across. Manofcarbon ( talk) 20:01, 15 January 2019 (UTC) Malcolm
It is not the best place here to note this, but an opportunity, please:
"the trademark "effective microorganisms" were commercials".
There are only two EXACT trademarks of this commercial product, (EM Effective Microorganisms, EFFECTIVE MICROORGANISMS); the exact correctly words and letters I can here remind not quite correct, please, sorry. And trademarks are just a mark as (in words and letters) REGISTERED.
(What I want to note to is: There is a commercial product, but it is a name - new - to what is already ever in the soil.
Now can come a fight about, call it just organisms, microorganisms, ... NO. Sorry. Despite of there is a thing called Indigene Microorganisms also.)
This product (effective microorganisms) can be done homemade, with just some sorts of milk acidic bacteria. Because of less than the 80 sorts in the commercial product, now (from the trademark (?)) may not be called effective microorganisms ? It appears.
Just saying: effective microorganisms is not ONLY a commercial product. --
Visionhelp (
talk) 08:24, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
I removed this section which had been added to the very front of the article (not the right place) and also contained no references. If you want it back in please discuss here and also reconsider where in the article it fits best (probably under terminology):
"===Commercial composts=== In the British Isles - and possibly elsewhere - the term “compost” can also refer to potting mixes which are bagged up and sold commercially in garden centres and other outlets. This may include composted materials such as manure and peat, but is also likely to contain loam, fertilisers, sand, grit, etc. By far the most popular of these are the multi-purpose composts designed for most aspects of planting. There are also growbags, designed to have crops such as tomatoes directly planted into them. There is a range of specialist composts available, e.g. for vegetables, orchids, houseplants, hanging baskets, roses, ericaceous plants, seedlings, potting on etc. The term “compost” in this sense will also include the various products in the John Innes compost range." EMsmile ( talk) 14:13, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
Something could be said about how different kinds of composting produce different amounts of CO2 and methane and N2O. -- Error ( talk) 10:32, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
Is this worth a mention as technique? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mlepisto ( talk • contribs) 23:29, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi.
Pathogens are in organic - Eco - manure as well as in ´traditionel´ - chemical treated food, and what else - manure ? --
Visionhelp (
talk) 07:49, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, You did not remove - in a Talk page ! - it really. It is not a claim, it is a question, to recognize from the question mark. Visionhelp ( talk) 13:00, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
" ´Not all Pathogens do go with temperatures above 50°C´ ": OK. (A saying against heat composting is secure. But: Because of ´life into soil´ I speak basically against heat composting.)
I took a view into that topic,
/info/en/?search=Pathogenicity.
Quote (from the german version of this article (translated with
http://free-website-translation.com/?de)):
"Pathogenicity ( retronym suitcase word from the Greek πάθος pathos “suffering, disease” and γένεσις genesis “generation, birth”, cf. -genesis ) is the fundamental ability of infectious agents ( bacteria , parasites , viruses , prions , toxins ), diseases in certain organisms to evoke. [1] The adjective for this is pathogenic (pathogenic, potentially pathogenic), the opposite is non-pathogenic(not pathogenic). Pathogens also with the noun (the) pathogen called. The extent of the pathogenicity (ability of the pathogen to multiply and the intensity of the toxin formation) is referred to as virulence , without a uniform measure being defined for it. [2]".
This to me does say: this is a basic big and comprehensive topic. But not a never-ending.
It further does let me recognize, that in global nature already pathogenic is never to exclude, already without the all the addings from the human being.
With this info about this base I want to stop this point here for now.
To (quote) "Most of what survives will stay in the soil and never be taken up by plants": A need to this I cannot follow.
But alone to avoid poisons in plants I do prefer Eco.
Therefor this my question here, but sorry the double wording (manure) question.
Visionhelp (
talk) 09:49, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
From the section titled, "Pathogen removal"...
Thermophilic (high-temperature) composting is well known to destroy many seeds and nearly all types of pathogens (exceptions may include prions). The sanitizing qualities of (thermophilic) composting are desirable where there is a high likelihood of pathogens, such as with manure.
From me...
The word "thermophilic" does not mean "high-temperature". The correct meaning is "heat-loving". For example, thermophilic bacteria are heat-loving bacteria. -- Thibeinn ( talk) 18:43, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
Edmonton Composting Facility is no longer operating and will be demolished according to that page. So maybe it should be in past tense morsontologica ( talk) 09:35, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi User:Sadads some of the big changes that you made in October I disagree with. In particular: you have removed the entire section about composting toilets? Secondly, you have changed the part on animal waste and human waste a lot, to the extent of copying/excerpting the lead from reuse of excreta. This is what the "excerpt" method does, right? It always takes the entire lead from the other article? I don't think this makes sense here because composting is only one technology used for reuse of excreta. EMsmile ( talk) 06:18, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
I was struck by User:Sadads comment above on the 'wildly inconsistent and bad content in the article', I had the same reaction when I came across this article. A few people have contributed to improving it recently and I propose to somewhat boldly fix the composting technologies section. Currently the Compost#Composting technologies section highlights several processes that have nothing to do with the aerobic breakdown of organics. Assuming that the definition of aerobic decomposition is agreed upon as the the basis for composting, then these topics need to be downgraded to brief mentions in the last paragraph on related technologies:
Additionally, Compost#Composting technologies#compost tea isn't a composting technologiy, it's method of applying compost and should be moved to Compost#Uses section.
Counterintuitively, the processes that appear to actually produce compost: in-vessel composting, aerated static pile composting and windrow composting are given single word links. I believe that each of these should be linked with excerpts from the related articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Walkabout14 ( talk • contribs) 14:35, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
References
{{
cite book}}
: Check date values in: |accessdate=
(
help)
tilley2
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).EMsmile ( talk) 03:11, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
It has been shown to be effective, for example, in heating greenhouses. Heating and cooling of houses are big uses of energy and sources of carbon emissions, such a natural heating method should be important in the future.
This isn't covered and it is very important as lower temperatures are sufficient if maintained for more time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicholas1313Anderson ( talk • contribs) 19:50, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
I am thinking of adding a little more information on compost tea because it is a vital compost product and is really useful for pathogen control. Should I make a new section on compost extracts or differentiate between the two under the compost tea section? Figrainfall ( talk) 12:18, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
I went a little bit in depth into compost tea production and explained a few concepts. I think we need to develop the compost extracts section EmmanuelFiagbe ( talk)
Compost tea is a mixture of nutrients and aerobic bacteria, fungi, nematodes and other microbes that live in finished compost. It takes time to separate these organisms from compost, which is why compost tea is made by steeping compost in water for a day or more. To create compost tea, you'll need compost and it can be locally acquired or natively constructed, as long as it's totally completed the process of fertilizing the soil. Completed manure has a sweet smell. [1] The measure of fertilizer required fluctuates relying upon the measure of tea you're preparing. For a 5-gallon group, you'll need around 4 cups of manure. A group in a 25-gallon garbage bin will require around 20 cups of manure. Keep away from fertilizers that contain creature excrement, as it might hold e-coli microscopic organisms. Albeit the tea-production cycle should execute e-coli, it's smarter to be protected than sorry. citation needed Compost tea contains a considerable amount of soluble mineral nutrients that are readily available for plant uptake that facilitate crop growth and yield. citation neededEMsmile ( talk) 04:10, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
References
Article largely repeats information found in main article without references, and not well maintained. Might be a few things of value still worth merging Sadads ( talk) 19:07, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
On-Farm Composting Methods, from FOOD AND AGRICULTURE ORGANIZATION OF THE UNITED NATIONS, Rome, 2003
http://www.fao.org/3/y5104e/y5104e00.htm#Contents
--
Visionhelp (
talk) 13:25, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
There is very little about practical home composting, which should be corrected as it would make the story more complete and also encourage the practice, which is easy and very productive. There is much on the Web, e.g. the Cornell Waste Management Institute Web site and many others around the world. 2.27.145.218 ( talk) 22:47, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
Humanure currently redirects here, but the term isn't used anywhere in the article body. Is there scope to add a mention somewhere, so the redirect doesn't result in confusion, or should it be retargeted — for example, to Permaculture, where it seems to be discussed in most depth, or Reuse of human excreta, which is probably the main article on the topic? Or does the paucity of mentions of the term in the encyclopaedia suggest the redirect should be deleted and Humanure (album) moved to the base name? – Arms & Hearts ( talk) 17:22, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
Interoduce compost fertilzer . Give any two example of it. 2407:5200:300:45BC:7972:58E:27AD:A0E9 ( talk) 02:01, 21 February 2022 (UTC)