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There's a fine line between Audible's codec (ACELP-DRM), and the m4b format. They're different. Besides... the US versions of Creative players: ZVM, Stone, and others support Audible. If you are free, please check whether it is the m4b format, or the codec. (Another proprietary format, .aa is from Audible and should be the ones that the ZEN players are compatible with.) -- Jw21/PenaltyKillah discuss• editsGO 'NUCKSGO!! 20:29, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
The iriver clix2 has just been released in the US. It would be nice if someone replace the info of the original iriver clix. Also, when the Zvue 260 arrives, remove the Zvue 250 sections and unhide the Zvue 260 ones. -- Jw21/PenaltyKillah talkGO 'NUCKSGO!! 01:40, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
For FM radio, recording, etc. Consumers would want to know if their player have them or not. Also: PC/Mac/Linux compatibility. -- Jw21 (PenaltyKillah) 21:30, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
How about adding a new chart for moving some existing columns to and for adding some new ones; "syncing"? It could contain the columns: "connectivity", "integrated software", "msc compatible", "linux compatible", "OSX compatible",
Undeaf 02:24, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Multi-purpose DAPs (you mean PMPs)? Then there'll be an article called Comparison of cellphones or something. I'm limiting "multi-purpose" players to those with a screen large enough for media playback, advertised primarily as a player, and has specifications/designs that relates to ordinary PMPs. For cellphones, most of them are similar, with the same playback formats, memory from cards, miniscule screens, etc. But the PlayStation Portable is on the list, thanks to the reasons listed above. -- Jw21 aka PenaltyKillah talk 06:58, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
To technical: output power (mA @ 16 ohms)
To technical or syncing: charging time
To syncing: third party software
To technical: battery size (mAh)
To technical: removable battery
To video formats or technical: video frame rate limit
To video formats: bitrate limit
To video formats: resolution limit
To general: file navigation, by tags or by folders
To technical or general: expandability Undeaf 22:14, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Screen size, important for videos —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.239.100.133 ( talk) 07:13, August 29, 2007 (UTC)
how about a maximum hard disk size? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.254.121.196 ( talk) 12:20, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
I came to this page looking for a summary of which PMPs are programmable or have an SDK, and whether this would involve jailbreaking or not. Mvsmith ( talk) 15:39, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
Name | Line in | built in
microphone |
external
microphone |
tuner | radio
recording |
recording in mp3 | max recording bitrate | text viewer | PDF viewer | Games |
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Archos 404 camcorder |
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Cowon D2 | Yes | Yes | FM | Yes | Yes | |||||
Gigabeat S | ||||||||||
iAUDIO X5 | Yes | Yes | FM | Yes | Yes | |||||
iPod 5.5G | No | No | No | No | No | No | ||||
iriver clix | Yes | Yes | FM | Yes | Yes | |||||
Meizu M6 miniPlayer | Yes | Yes | FM | Yes | Yes | |||||
PlayStation Portable | No | No | No | No | No | No | ||||
Sansa e200R series | Yes | Yes | FM | Yes | ||||||
Walkman NW-A800 series | ||||||||||
ZEN Vision:M | Yes | FM | Yes | Yes | ||||||
ZEN Vision W | Yes | FM | Yes | Yes | ||||||
Zune | ||||||||||
ZVUE 250 |
Undeaf 20:37, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
It could include: -Video battery life
-Audio battery life
-Charging time - USB
-Charging time - AC
-Battery connection, ie. soldered in / screwed in / officially replacable / toollessly replaceable
-Battery type (if there are any that are Lithium ion instead of lithium polymer, or if any are different kinds of lithium polymer)
-Battery size (mAH)
-Rockbox audio battery life (this one I'm not too sure about, barely any of these players are rockbox compatible)
Undeaf 00:39, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
How about adding a section for whether the device sorts files by id3 tags or by folders? Undeaf 14:59, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, the Playsforsure/Janus can be combined very well, so does OpenMG/Sony Connect, WMDRM/Zune Marketplace, and FairPlay/iTunes Store. Then there's a prob with the Helix DRM and the Audible.com online store. -- Jw21 aka PenaltyKillah talk 17:10, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
It would appear that a comparison of more than five players is necessary. It might be helpful to include players which support the .ogg format. - Conor 18:56, 5 January 2007 (UTC) Perhaps from the XiphWiki [1] - Conor 19:07, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
So as to eliminate any confusion, I have changed the format of battery life to '4 or 5 hours' as opposed to '4/5 Hours'. The change was made so that the article was not misread as four fifths of an hour. - Conor 18:56, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Isn't that against what the general public thinks? 4-5 is not the same as 4 / 5. And yes, a slash is used to mean "respectively". -- Jw21 20:16, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Why does someone keep changing the information on iPod to being able to play WMA files with a footnote? Even if the files can be converted, the player itself cannot play the format.
Should it really be treated as a positive attribute? Someoneinmyheadbutit'snotme 04:40, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering if the dimensions and weights of each of the players could be changed to SI units? Juliuspret 04:01, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Of course they can though conversion factor... inches is American system and Europeans use metric ... yes it is biased to American and America is the center of the world LAWL... JK ... but it is up consensus or maybe you can a column for international viewers ... it would be a burden to the public you know... Getonyourfeet 04:46, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
was just looking at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28dates_and_numbers%29#Units_of_measurement I think that where precision is needed and in an article that is not intended for an american only subject that SI units should of course be used. and by the way this isnt an america-europe divide as seems to be the accepted problem, the three countries that dont officially use the metric system are america, mayanmar and liberia i think so as an engineer and not someone with a USA vs EU agenda, this should be in SI units to make it an acceptable wikipedia article 83.71.197.13 16:14, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
has this been ignored??
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Basically, the PSP can play audio through speakers. Why not add that in the audio-out column? -- FoolFromHell 18:52, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Lets add a column for number of songs a device can hold along side the gigabyte value... Microsoft claims their product can hold 7000 songs pretty interesting...This could help out the n00bs who cannot visualize the importance. Getonyourfeet 02:33, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
support for DRM'd WMA and AAC files is listed under music stores and under DRM, how about removing it from the audio formats section? It's getting pretty cluttered. Undeaf 18:01, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Calling it OGG formats implies that it also supports FLAC and speex, iriver clix does not support FLAC and I don't think any PMP supports speex. Undeaf 20:28, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Froogle turns up plenty of 1gb and 2gb meizu miniplayers Undeaf 01:58, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Archos 404 does not have a dpad, those arrows are just functions of some of the 2-way buttons Undeaf 01:58, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
It says here that the GP2X does function as a mass storage class device: http://wiki.gp2x.org/wiki/User_FAQ#Is_it_possible_to_use_the_GP2X_without_Microsoft_Windows.3F Undeaf 21:57, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
According to Sansa they say "Sansa MP3 player", [2] and they show a sansa e270. However, according to wikipedia you cannot draw synthesis unless it is published and statements/data with unpublished synthesis shouldn't belong. Vista supports natively MTP which should support every MTP device but possibly not the Zune because it's protocol requires authentication process according to libmtp who implement the basics of MTP protocol. I myself would flag every MTP device with vista with yes, but again, Wikipedia's policy is stupid. Because it is a Sansa e270... would this apply to Sansa e200r series? — 6etonyourfeet\ t\ c 06:29, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
How about adding a "list of mp3 players using AA or AAA batteries"? Or maybe other such lists, such as "...with built in speakers", or "...with built in games" or other things along these lines. It might be a better way of dealing with some of the more unusual features. Undeaf 00:44, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
Is there really a reason to keep a column for WMA lossless? It's practically unsupported. How about just moving it into "other codecs"?
And, audible - is it actually a format? Undeaf 01:13, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
What about some iPod models' support for Apple Lossless? Ex2golem ( talk) 00:16, 5 June 2008 (UTC)ex2golem June 4, 2008
It's precisely because very few of these support rockbox that I'm trying to include it as rows rather than columns. And I picked those two because they're probably the most reasonable options for a rockbox player: the sandisk version is unfinished, the nano 1G has a soldered in battery which makes the battery life hit extra problematic, and the other compatible ones are not widely available(rockboxed gigabeat F is probably the best option if you can find it, if it was more available I'd be for including it).
As for how rockbox is mentioned as the method for ipod linux compatibility, that's wrong. It's not the same thing as being compatible in a normal way like through libmtp, and they are compatible through many other ways.
I don't see why rockbox doesn't merrit inclusion on a similar level as the others, or how doing so is GNU-biased. It's a widely available option, and also pretty much guaranteed to remain available and to not loose any features, Lower battery life is the big disadvatage to it, NOT including it makes rockbox look too good. It also should have a row under syncing and transfer, but I can't seem to find the info on that. Undeaf 18:32, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that Archos has a whole bunch of portable video players out now (at least 5 or 6); I believe the 404 (listed in this comparison table) was one of the earliest. Should each of the new ones have its own row now? they do seem to have different specs. See here for them. I may just go ahead and add some of the specs in the meantime (they can always be reverted if they're unwelcome). - Elizabennet | talk 21:19, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
Do we want to add links to Vongo, Unbox, or some of the other services? Just wondering if those are popular/selective in usefulness. - Elizabennet | talk 21:25, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
The Zune can actually play DivX files that have been disguised as .wmv files. There has since been a registry hack to allow the Zune to accept and play .avi files. I'm not sure why M$ didn't just initially add support for .avi files, being as popular of format that it is. Obligatory link to source. [3]. Unchain 16:36, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone add details about the Transcend T.sonic here? -- Rsrikanth05 08:30, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
I already have the necessary data, contact me on my talk page, for more details. I know all the technical attributes, and specifications of the device. -- Rsrikanth05 12:34, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
So did anyone even bother? -- Rsrikanth05 ( talk) 14:09, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Huh? -- Rsrikanth05 ( talk) 12:05, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Please also include the Pontis MX2020, one of the cheapest PMP's around. Also note that it runs on Linux. See Pontis MX2020 for details —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.245.186.7 ( talk) 16:35, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
-- Rsrikanth05 ( talk) 11:52, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Are there any objections to including the iPhone in the list next to the iPods (or maybe grouped with the iPod touch)? Somebody mentioned that only devices marketed as primarily a portable media player should be included, and the iPhone fits that bill: it is a combination between a mobile phone, internet browser, and iPod. Although the device's name obviously puts a bias favoring its functionality as a phone, media playing is still one of its (three) primary functions. SchighSchagh ( talk) 14:40, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
The iPhone cannot be categorized as a PMP. -- Rsrikanth05 ( talk) 09:28, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree with Rsrikanth05. The iPhone is a phone. If we include it, we'll need to include all telephones that operate as a PMP. The iPhone is a telephone - few people use it for music. The iPod Touch is the same thing anyway, just without the phone, so we should leave it as that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.174.241.41 ( talk) 13:08, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
In the same light, the PSP certainly does not belong in this article. The PSP is a purpose-build handheld gaming console. Audio and Video "media features" are strictly secondary to the device, and it is not purchased in order to play media. In the spirit of Rsrikanth05's comment, the PSP cannot be categorized as a PMP and should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.174.241.41 ( talk) 13:17, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
It's a difficult issue, but probably best not to include phones - if you start listing Iphones, we'll have to add every model from major manufacturers like Nokia etc. OTOH I wouldn't object to listing Ipads and Android tablets and so on - "tablets" today are really the new name for what we call PMPs on Wikipedia, and we already list Archos Generation 6 tablets in this table. Mdwh ( talk) 11:59, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
Now, I'll confess... in the Comparison of portable media players article, one which I regularly check and contribute, I had to use invented terms for the player type column. So an iPod classic is a " HDD DAP contempoary". Yes, it's a PMP, but because it evolved from the first-generation iPod, a hard drive DAP with a low capacity BUT about the same form and size as the iPod classic. Same goes with the Sansa e200R series, a " Flash DAP contemporary" - Sansa e100 series was, back than, a flash DAP. There are some which didn't fit into those two categories, as they have no deep roots, and they're not that controls-centered. like the iriver clix, which was described as a "Micro-sized PMP". Back then, players with screens that actually took up most of the dimensions were regarded as true PMPs, so I gave players like the Archos 604 WiFi (now Archos 605 WiFi) the name " Portable media player" (now renamed to "Mid-sized PMP").
During a Google search, I found... this. Yes! All info from this article right down to the "Flash DAP contempoary" thingy! Well, I don't think it's much of a coincidence. Besides, it's not as if some major news media used the term. Still, it was quite exhilarating. And by the way, there is no such player as the "YP-29". Maybe it was a typo and they may have meant YP-T9. -- Jw 21/Penalty Killah VANucks|24-16-4 21:51, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Pardon me for inquiring, but what exactly is the point of this rather arbitrary division of players into different supposed types? What exactly makes an Ipod Touch a "PMP" and a Zune an "HDD DAP"? A simple distinction of whether or not a device is capable of playing more than audio would surely be more useful, regardless of any other criteria. The logic presented above in this section of the talk page that earlier iterations of certain devices may have been incapable of doing more than play audio or that the screen wasn't of a certain relative size and that the current iteration therefore should inherit a now misleading definition seems to me flawed. I admit to not being an expert on the subject, it simply puzzles me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.255.36.248 ( talk) 20:04, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Yes, it's a PMP. Why revert? -- ClariT ( talk) 01:35, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
The Sandisk Clip is not mentioned on this list, but I think it has a large enough following to merit a place. What do you think? Killamator ( talk) 21:09, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Similarly, I've removed the Ipod Shuffle, which doesn't do video I believe. Mdwh ( talk) 12:04, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
The table at the bottoms lists a bunch of player that have a microphone but do not do audio recording. What goes? What else is the mic used for? I think that this needs to be corrected. Roger ( talk) 17:15, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
the zen vision m can record both vioce thought the mic and depending on the firmware ( 1.40, and 1.61 can do. but not 1.50) can record radio —Preceding
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Would be great to know which devices sync and playback encrypted video files, specifically, Windows Media DRM 10 files. For example, the Archos 605 supports this.
I think this should be added to additional features cause It should affect the output sound quality of the players. Sony A720 and Creative Zen X-Fi is two example of players that has advanced DSP(s).
Firmware from different players, from different manufactures cannot be compared. 82.25.130.155 ( talk) 13:55, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to see the MobiBLU DAH-1500i added, ...but dang, those tables can be intimidating. I'm concerned I might get some of the information wrong. I'll try it later (and hope I don't screw anything up), but until then it remains unlisted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.254.82.208 ( talk) 12:07, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
The General section refers only to the nano 4G while the Technical Specifications section refers only to the nano 5G. If it is to compare all versions of the nano, then other generations should be included. If it is to compare only for-sale versions of the nano, then the General section should be updated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alex20850 ( talk • contribs) 22:03, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
The list about "extra features" seems to be missleading. Previously ipods are divided between Ipod nano, ipod classic, ipod touch etc, in this table however there is only an entry for "ipod", and for example the Ipod Touch does not have FM radio. That should be cleared up. Second another table suggest that the Ipod Touch has Bluetooth, which is true, but it is also very limited and is not, what I would call, a true bluetooth device as you cannot transfer files between it and other bluetooth devices (you can with some applications and some devices, but not freely, for example not with my phone). I think this could be clarified. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.16.73.46 ( talk) 18:39, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
I think someone should add which markets each device is available in. If someone from the US was comparing portable media players, it might be convenient for them to know which devices were available in their country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.22.234.80 ( talk) 05:15, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
I noticed that as soon as you sort the table, it breaks, completely and utterly. Has this been like this for a while, or was it a recent mistake? Either way, I haven't the expertise or confidence to fix it (sorry, I'm just an observant novice). Please, if anyone has the time, this is a vital component of the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.40.219 ( talk) 12:48, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Many people coming to the page are only interested in comparing current players to decide which to use. However, because all of the comparison tables are multiple screens long and compare every player that has ever existed, they find the page to be mostly useless. We need a way to show only current information for those who want it, in order to increase utility. A method for allowing the viewer to sort information and suppress what they don't need would also be good.
This is a general comment applicable to all comparison articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.142.206.28 ( talk) 22:45, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
I agree, thanks for pointing this out. I'll starting working again on this article, updating statistics and such from time to time. --Penalty Killah Jw21 07:09, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
This article lists mainly players from 2007 and is obsolete in large parts. I can see little use in a comparison of select devices which you cannot buy anymore. Proposals: (1) update the article; (2) move article to Comparison of portable media players (2007). -- Ahellwig ( talk) 08:46, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
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I can’t find that (for me crucial) information: What devices allow me to just drag and drop my music files from/to the standard file browser of my USB computer? It seems that it could be the MSC column but for instance I know that Apple devices don’t allow that but the cells are green, so I guess it’s a missing information. → Tristan ♡ ( talk) 09:23, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
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There's a fine line between Audible's codec (ACELP-DRM), and the m4b format. They're different. Besides... the US versions of Creative players: ZVM, Stone, and others support Audible. If you are free, please check whether it is the m4b format, or the codec. (Another proprietary format, .aa is from Audible and should be the ones that the ZEN players are compatible with.) -- Jw21/PenaltyKillah discuss• editsGO 'NUCKSGO!! 20:29, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
The iriver clix2 has just been released in the US. It would be nice if someone replace the info of the original iriver clix. Also, when the Zvue 260 arrives, remove the Zvue 250 sections and unhide the Zvue 260 ones. -- Jw21/PenaltyKillah talkGO 'NUCKSGO!! 01:40, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
For FM radio, recording, etc. Consumers would want to know if their player have them or not. Also: PC/Mac/Linux compatibility. -- Jw21 (PenaltyKillah) 21:30, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
How about adding a new chart for moving some existing columns to and for adding some new ones; "syncing"? It could contain the columns: "connectivity", "integrated software", "msc compatible", "linux compatible", "OSX compatible",
Undeaf 02:24, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Multi-purpose DAPs (you mean PMPs)? Then there'll be an article called Comparison of cellphones or something. I'm limiting "multi-purpose" players to those with a screen large enough for media playback, advertised primarily as a player, and has specifications/designs that relates to ordinary PMPs. For cellphones, most of them are similar, with the same playback formats, memory from cards, miniscule screens, etc. But the PlayStation Portable is on the list, thanks to the reasons listed above. -- Jw21 aka PenaltyKillah talk 06:58, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
To technical: output power (mA @ 16 ohms)
To technical or syncing: charging time
To syncing: third party software
To technical: battery size (mAh)
To technical: removable battery
To video formats or technical: video frame rate limit
To video formats: bitrate limit
To video formats: resolution limit
To general: file navigation, by tags or by folders
To technical or general: expandability Undeaf 22:14, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Screen size, important for videos —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.239.100.133 ( talk) 07:13, August 29, 2007 (UTC)
how about a maximum hard disk size? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.254.121.196 ( talk) 12:20, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
I came to this page looking for a summary of which PMPs are programmable or have an SDK, and whether this would involve jailbreaking or not. Mvsmith ( talk) 15:39, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
Name | Line in | built in
microphone |
external
microphone |
tuner | radio
recording |
recording in mp3 | max recording bitrate | text viewer | PDF viewer | Games |
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Archos 404 camcorder |
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Cowon D2 | Yes | Yes | FM | Yes | Yes | |||||
Gigabeat S | ||||||||||
iAUDIO X5 | Yes | Yes | FM | Yes | Yes | |||||
iPod 5.5G | No | No | No | No | No | No | ||||
iriver clix | Yes | Yes | FM | Yes | Yes | |||||
Meizu M6 miniPlayer | Yes | Yes | FM | Yes | Yes | |||||
PlayStation Portable | No | No | No | No | No | No | ||||
Sansa e200R series | Yes | Yes | FM | Yes | ||||||
Walkman NW-A800 series | ||||||||||
ZEN Vision:M | Yes | FM | Yes | Yes | ||||||
ZEN Vision W | Yes | FM | Yes | Yes | ||||||
Zune | ||||||||||
ZVUE 250 |
Undeaf 20:37, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
It could include: -Video battery life
-Audio battery life
-Charging time - USB
-Charging time - AC
-Battery connection, ie. soldered in / screwed in / officially replacable / toollessly replaceable
-Battery type (if there are any that are Lithium ion instead of lithium polymer, or if any are different kinds of lithium polymer)
-Battery size (mAH)
-Rockbox audio battery life (this one I'm not too sure about, barely any of these players are rockbox compatible)
Undeaf 00:39, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
How about adding a section for whether the device sorts files by id3 tags or by folders? Undeaf 14:59, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, the Playsforsure/Janus can be combined very well, so does OpenMG/Sony Connect, WMDRM/Zune Marketplace, and FairPlay/iTunes Store. Then there's a prob with the Helix DRM and the Audible.com online store. -- Jw21 aka PenaltyKillah talk 17:10, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
It would appear that a comparison of more than five players is necessary. It might be helpful to include players which support the .ogg format. - Conor 18:56, 5 January 2007 (UTC) Perhaps from the XiphWiki [1] - Conor 19:07, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
So as to eliminate any confusion, I have changed the format of battery life to '4 or 5 hours' as opposed to '4/5 Hours'. The change was made so that the article was not misread as four fifths of an hour. - Conor 18:56, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Isn't that against what the general public thinks? 4-5 is not the same as 4 / 5. And yes, a slash is used to mean "respectively". -- Jw21 20:16, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Why does someone keep changing the information on iPod to being able to play WMA files with a footnote? Even if the files can be converted, the player itself cannot play the format.
Should it really be treated as a positive attribute? Someoneinmyheadbutit'snotme 04:40, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I was wondering if the dimensions and weights of each of the players could be changed to SI units? Juliuspret 04:01, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Of course they can though conversion factor... inches is American system and Europeans use metric ... yes it is biased to American and America is the center of the world LAWL... JK ... but it is up consensus or maybe you can a column for international viewers ... it would be a burden to the public you know... Getonyourfeet 04:46, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
was just looking at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28dates_and_numbers%29#Units_of_measurement I think that where precision is needed and in an article that is not intended for an american only subject that SI units should of course be used. and by the way this isnt an america-europe divide as seems to be the accepted problem, the three countries that dont officially use the metric system are america, mayanmar and liberia i think so as an engineer and not someone with a USA vs EU agenda, this should be in SI units to make it an acceptable wikipedia article 83.71.197.13 16:14, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
has this been ignored??
83.71.197.13 (
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Basically, the PSP can play audio through speakers. Why not add that in the audio-out column? -- FoolFromHell 18:52, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Lets add a column for number of songs a device can hold along side the gigabyte value... Microsoft claims their product can hold 7000 songs pretty interesting...This could help out the n00bs who cannot visualize the importance. Getonyourfeet 02:33, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
support for DRM'd WMA and AAC files is listed under music stores and under DRM, how about removing it from the audio formats section? It's getting pretty cluttered. Undeaf 18:01, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Calling it OGG formats implies that it also supports FLAC and speex, iriver clix does not support FLAC and I don't think any PMP supports speex. Undeaf 20:28, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Froogle turns up plenty of 1gb and 2gb meizu miniplayers Undeaf 01:58, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Archos 404 does not have a dpad, those arrows are just functions of some of the 2-way buttons Undeaf 01:58, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
It says here that the GP2X does function as a mass storage class device: http://wiki.gp2x.org/wiki/User_FAQ#Is_it_possible_to_use_the_GP2X_without_Microsoft_Windows.3F Undeaf 21:57, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
According to Sansa they say "Sansa MP3 player", [2] and they show a sansa e270. However, according to wikipedia you cannot draw synthesis unless it is published and statements/data with unpublished synthesis shouldn't belong. Vista supports natively MTP which should support every MTP device but possibly not the Zune because it's protocol requires authentication process according to libmtp who implement the basics of MTP protocol. I myself would flag every MTP device with vista with yes, but again, Wikipedia's policy is stupid. Because it is a Sansa e270... would this apply to Sansa e200r series? — 6etonyourfeet\ t\ c 06:29, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
How about adding a "list of mp3 players using AA or AAA batteries"? Or maybe other such lists, such as "...with built in speakers", or "...with built in games" or other things along these lines. It might be a better way of dealing with some of the more unusual features. Undeaf 00:44, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
Is there really a reason to keep a column for WMA lossless? It's practically unsupported. How about just moving it into "other codecs"?
And, audible - is it actually a format? Undeaf 01:13, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
What about some iPod models' support for Apple Lossless? Ex2golem ( talk) 00:16, 5 June 2008 (UTC)ex2golem June 4, 2008
It's precisely because very few of these support rockbox that I'm trying to include it as rows rather than columns. And I picked those two because they're probably the most reasonable options for a rockbox player: the sandisk version is unfinished, the nano 1G has a soldered in battery which makes the battery life hit extra problematic, and the other compatible ones are not widely available(rockboxed gigabeat F is probably the best option if you can find it, if it was more available I'd be for including it).
As for how rockbox is mentioned as the method for ipod linux compatibility, that's wrong. It's not the same thing as being compatible in a normal way like through libmtp, and they are compatible through many other ways.
I don't see why rockbox doesn't merrit inclusion on a similar level as the others, or how doing so is GNU-biased. It's a widely available option, and also pretty much guaranteed to remain available and to not loose any features, Lower battery life is the big disadvatage to it, NOT including it makes rockbox look too good. It also should have a row under syncing and transfer, but I can't seem to find the info on that. Undeaf 18:32, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that Archos has a whole bunch of portable video players out now (at least 5 or 6); I believe the 404 (listed in this comparison table) was one of the earliest. Should each of the new ones have its own row now? they do seem to have different specs. See here for them. I may just go ahead and add some of the specs in the meantime (they can always be reverted if they're unwelcome). - Elizabennet | talk 21:19, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
Do we want to add links to Vongo, Unbox, or some of the other services? Just wondering if those are popular/selective in usefulness. - Elizabennet | talk 21:25, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
The Zune can actually play DivX files that have been disguised as .wmv files. There has since been a registry hack to allow the Zune to accept and play .avi files. I'm not sure why M$ didn't just initially add support for .avi files, being as popular of format that it is. Obligatory link to source. [3]. Unchain 16:36, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone add details about the Transcend T.sonic here? -- Rsrikanth05 08:30, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
I already have the necessary data, contact me on my talk page, for more details. I know all the technical attributes, and specifications of the device. -- Rsrikanth05 12:34, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
So did anyone even bother? -- Rsrikanth05 ( talk) 14:09, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Huh? -- Rsrikanth05 ( talk) 12:05, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Please also include the Pontis MX2020, one of the cheapest PMP's around. Also note that it runs on Linux. See Pontis MX2020 for details —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.245.186.7 ( talk) 16:35, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
-- Rsrikanth05 ( talk) 11:52, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Are there any objections to including the iPhone in the list next to the iPods (or maybe grouped with the iPod touch)? Somebody mentioned that only devices marketed as primarily a portable media player should be included, and the iPhone fits that bill: it is a combination between a mobile phone, internet browser, and iPod. Although the device's name obviously puts a bias favoring its functionality as a phone, media playing is still one of its (three) primary functions. SchighSchagh ( talk) 14:40, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
The iPhone cannot be categorized as a PMP. -- Rsrikanth05 ( talk) 09:28, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree with Rsrikanth05. The iPhone is a phone. If we include it, we'll need to include all telephones that operate as a PMP. The iPhone is a telephone - few people use it for music. The iPod Touch is the same thing anyway, just without the phone, so we should leave it as that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.174.241.41 ( talk) 13:08, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
In the same light, the PSP certainly does not belong in this article. The PSP is a purpose-build handheld gaming console. Audio and Video "media features" are strictly secondary to the device, and it is not purchased in order to play media. In the spirit of Rsrikanth05's comment, the PSP cannot be categorized as a PMP and should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.174.241.41 ( talk) 13:17, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
It's a difficult issue, but probably best not to include phones - if you start listing Iphones, we'll have to add every model from major manufacturers like Nokia etc. OTOH I wouldn't object to listing Ipads and Android tablets and so on - "tablets" today are really the new name for what we call PMPs on Wikipedia, and we already list Archos Generation 6 tablets in this table. Mdwh ( talk) 11:59, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
Now, I'll confess... in the Comparison of portable media players article, one which I regularly check and contribute, I had to use invented terms for the player type column. So an iPod classic is a " HDD DAP contempoary". Yes, it's a PMP, but because it evolved from the first-generation iPod, a hard drive DAP with a low capacity BUT about the same form and size as the iPod classic. Same goes with the Sansa e200R series, a " Flash DAP contemporary" - Sansa e100 series was, back than, a flash DAP. There are some which didn't fit into those two categories, as they have no deep roots, and they're not that controls-centered. like the iriver clix, which was described as a "Micro-sized PMP". Back then, players with screens that actually took up most of the dimensions were regarded as true PMPs, so I gave players like the Archos 604 WiFi (now Archos 605 WiFi) the name " Portable media player" (now renamed to "Mid-sized PMP").
During a Google search, I found... this. Yes! All info from this article right down to the "Flash DAP contempoary" thingy! Well, I don't think it's much of a coincidence. Besides, it's not as if some major news media used the term. Still, it was quite exhilarating. And by the way, there is no such player as the "YP-29". Maybe it was a typo and they may have meant YP-T9. -- Jw 21/Penalty Killah VANucks|24-16-4 21:51, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
Pardon me for inquiring, but what exactly is the point of this rather arbitrary division of players into different supposed types? What exactly makes an Ipod Touch a "PMP" and a Zune an "HDD DAP"? A simple distinction of whether or not a device is capable of playing more than audio would surely be more useful, regardless of any other criteria. The logic presented above in this section of the talk page that earlier iterations of certain devices may have been incapable of doing more than play audio or that the screen wasn't of a certain relative size and that the current iteration therefore should inherit a now misleading definition seems to me flawed. I admit to not being an expert on the subject, it simply puzzles me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.255.36.248 ( talk) 20:04, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Yes, it's a PMP. Why revert? -- ClariT ( talk) 01:35, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
The Sandisk Clip is not mentioned on this list, but I think it has a large enough following to merit a place. What do you think? Killamator ( talk) 21:09, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Similarly, I've removed the Ipod Shuffle, which doesn't do video I believe. Mdwh ( talk) 12:04, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
The table at the bottoms lists a bunch of player that have a microphone but do not do audio recording. What goes? What else is the mic used for? I think that this needs to be corrected. Roger ( talk) 17:15, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
the zen vision m can record both vioce thought the mic and depending on the firmware ( 1.40, and 1.61 can do. but not 1.50) can record radio —Preceding
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Would be great to know which devices sync and playback encrypted video files, specifically, Windows Media DRM 10 files. For example, the Archos 605 supports this.
I think this should be added to additional features cause It should affect the output sound quality of the players. Sony A720 and Creative Zen X-Fi is two example of players that has advanced DSP(s).
Firmware from different players, from different manufactures cannot be compared. 82.25.130.155 ( talk) 13:55, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to see the MobiBLU DAH-1500i added, ...but dang, those tables can be intimidating. I'm concerned I might get some of the information wrong. I'll try it later (and hope I don't screw anything up), but until then it remains unlisted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.254.82.208 ( talk) 12:07, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
The General section refers only to the nano 4G while the Technical Specifications section refers only to the nano 5G. If it is to compare all versions of the nano, then other generations should be included. If it is to compare only for-sale versions of the nano, then the General section should be updated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alex20850 ( talk • contribs) 22:03, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
The list about "extra features" seems to be missleading. Previously ipods are divided between Ipod nano, ipod classic, ipod touch etc, in this table however there is only an entry for "ipod", and for example the Ipod Touch does not have FM radio. That should be cleared up. Second another table suggest that the Ipod Touch has Bluetooth, which is true, but it is also very limited and is not, what I would call, a true bluetooth device as you cannot transfer files between it and other bluetooth devices (you can with some applications and some devices, but not freely, for example not with my phone). I think this could be clarified. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.16.73.46 ( talk) 18:39, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
I think someone should add which markets each device is available in. If someone from the US was comparing portable media players, it might be convenient for them to know which devices were available in their country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.22.234.80 ( talk) 05:15, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
I noticed that as soon as you sort the table, it breaks, completely and utterly. Has this been like this for a while, or was it a recent mistake? Either way, I haven't the expertise or confidence to fix it (sorry, I'm just an observant novice). Please, if anyone has the time, this is a vital component of the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.40.219 ( talk) 12:48, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Many people coming to the page are only interested in comparing current players to decide which to use. However, because all of the comparison tables are multiple screens long and compare every player that has ever existed, they find the page to be mostly useless. We need a way to show only current information for those who want it, in order to increase utility. A method for allowing the viewer to sort information and suppress what they don't need would also be good.
This is a general comment applicable to all comparison articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.142.206.28 ( talk) 22:45, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
I agree, thanks for pointing this out. I'll starting working again on this article, updating statistics and such from time to time. --Penalty Killah Jw21 07:09, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
This article lists mainly players from 2007 and is obsolete in large parts. I can see little use in a comparison of select devices which you cannot buy anymore. Proposals: (1) update the article; (2) move article to Comparison of portable media players (2007). -- Ahellwig ( talk) 08:46, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
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I can’t find that (for me crucial) information: What devices allow me to just drag and drop my music files from/to the standard file browser of my USB computer? It seems that it could be the MSC column but for instance I know that Apple devices don’t allow that but the cells are green, so I guess it’s a missing information. → Tristan ♡ ( talk) 09:23, 3 June 2019 (UTC)