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Communion, Christian meaning article was created recently, I moved to Community (Christian) based on statement that it relates to koinonia κοινωνία maybe merge with Communion of Saints? Has cleanup and merge notices --> needs work. Paul foord 14:41, 1 October 2005 (UTC) Maybe Fellowship (Christian) would be a better title Paul foord 15:16, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
It is hard to see how "community" can be thought to correspond to "κοινωνία". I doubt if any English translation of the New Testament ever used "community" in connection with the abstract noun "κοινωνία" or its concrete cognate "κοινωνός" (one who has κοινωνία). I have gone through the King James Version and found it uses the following words, which I place in order of frequency:
What is wrong with using the word "communion"? It is the word most used nowadays for the bond connecting Christians as individuals and Churches. We usually speak of "the Anglican communion", not "the Anglican community" or "the Anglican fellowship". Do we normally speak of Churches as being "in full community" or "in full fellowship", rather than "in full communion"? Those other expressions are possible, but unusual. The usual term is what should appear in the title.
"Communion (bond between Christians)" seems to be the most accurate title for this article.
I submit that it is nonsense to suggest that this article should be merged with the article on the Eucharist. The bond and the sacrament are two quite distinct, though not unrelated, matters.
In this regard, why is the category to which the Eucharist article is assigned still called Communion, when all the articles in the category (and also the symbol of bread and chalice) concern the sacrament, not the bond?
Lima 06:44, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
i looked at the the page communion(christian) and i thought it was odd to state it as Eucharistic usage—Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.34.251.230 ( talk • contribs)
I have a question concerning the number of times it's used in the NT. The Koinokia page quotes it as 19 times in most Greek NTs, while this page quotes it as 43 verses. Is that perhaps because it's used multiple times in a verse? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.33.133.183 ( talk) 19:45, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
Koinonia in Septuagint S-2842 Lev. 6:2; S-2841 2Chr. 20:35-37, Job 34:8, Prov. 1:11, Ecc.9:4, Is. 44:9; S-2844 2Ki. 17:11, Prov. 28:24, Is. 1:23, Mal. 2:14. — Preceding
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The result of the move request was: not moved. ( non-admin closure) Hot Stop talk- contribs 04:00, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
Communion (Christian) → Communion (word) – This article is not about any one meaning of communion, and is mostly linguistic. The current disambiguator accomplishes nothing, because most/all meanings of "communion" have to do with Christianity (see Communion). See Category:English words for examples of articles with "word" as a disambiguator. JFH ( talk) 19:01, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Do not move to Communion (Christian bond). There may be consensus for other possible titles, but it's not clear from this discussion. B2 C 00:17, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
Communion (Christian) →
Communion (Christian bond) – The current title is very ambiguous; every other common meaning of the word has something to do with Christianity. During the last RM the lead was clarified, and it seems the article is supposed to be about the bond uniting Christians with one another. I would think the article was about the
Lord's Supper based on the title. It is true that the Lord's Supper is an expression of the bond uniting Christians, but it is not the same thing, hence the need for this article. Relisted.
BDD (
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JFH (
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16:27, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
Per the comment immediately above at the end of the RM, I have added a notability tag. Where are the sources for this? Citing some would be good. Dicklyon ( talk) 01:02, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
There is some wording in the Aspects section which appears suspect. First I will quote the passage in question, then relate the two following verses:
quote, "This relationship is generally understood to extend not only to those still in earthly life, but also to those who have gone past death to be "at home with the Lord" (2 Corinthians 5:8)."
1 Corinthians 15:31 - "I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily."
2 Corinthians 5:8 - "We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord."
These verses are necessarily talking about what the symbolism of baptism has done for us, dying to the flesh and rising in the spirit through living by faith (1 Peter 3:21). We call down and carry the Holy Spirit by renewing our minds daily with prayer and study (Romans 12:2, 2 Timothy 2:15); this allows us to live obediently after the example of Christ instead of as slaves to sin. Additionally - unless we are one of the 24 translated elders (Revelation 4:10-11) - our spirit beyond death does not go "home with the Lord" until the resurrection (1 Thessalonians 4:14-17, Revelation 20:4-5); rather, evidence points to the dead knowing nothing and sleeping while in the grave (Daniel 12:2, John 11:11-24, Ecclesiastes 9:5). It's a bit silly to think that when we die our spirit goes to Heaven, then at the resurrection we get taken from Heaven and put back in our bodies so that we can go back to Heaven. When Jesus ascended to the Father, He took His body with Him; when the elders were translated, they likewise took their bodies with them (Genesis 5:24, 2 Kings 2:11, Hebrews 11:5). Our dry bones are made a living soul only when we have breath in our nostrils (Genesis 2:7, Ezekiel 37:4-6). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vapur9 ( talk • contribs) 18:47, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
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Communion, Christian meaning article was created recently, I moved to Community (Christian) based on statement that it relates to koinonia κοινωνία maybe merge with Communion of Saints? Has cleanup and merge notices --> needs work. Paul foord 14:41, 1 October 2005 (UTC) Maybe Fellowship (Christian) would be a better title Paul foord 15:16, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
It is hard to see how "community" can be thought to correspond to "κοινωνία". I doubt if any English translation of the New Testament ever used "community" in connection with the abstract noun "κοινωνία" or its concrete cognate "κοινωνός" (one who has κοινωνία). I have gone through the King James Version and found it uses the following words, which I place in order of frequency:
What is wrong with using the word "communion"? It is the word most used nowadays for the bond connecting Christians as individuals and Churches. We usually speak of "the Anglican communion", not "the Anglican community" or "the Anglican fellowship". Do we normally speak of Churches as being "in full community" or "in full fellowship", rather than "in full communion"? Those other expressions are possible, but unusual. The usual term is what should appear in the title.
"Communion (bond between Christians)" seems to be the most accurate title for this article.
I submit that it is nonsense to suggest that this article should be merged with the article on the Eucharist. The bond and the sacrament are two quite distinct, though not unrelated, matters.
In this regard, why is the category to which the Eucharist article is assigned still called Communion, when all the articles in the category (and also the symbol of bread and chalice) concern the sacrament, not the bond?
Lima 06:44, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
i looked at the the page communion(christian) and i thought it was odd to state it as Eucharistic usage—Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.34.251.230 ( talk • contribs)
I have a question concerning the number of times it's used in the NT. The Koinokia page quotes it as 19 times in most Greek NTs, while this page quotes it as 43 verses. Is that perhaps because it's used multiple times in a verse? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.33.133.183 ( talk) 19:45, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
Koinonia in Septuagint S-2842 Lev. 6:2; S-2841 2Chr. 20:35-37, Job 34:8, Prov. 1:11, Ecc.9:4, Is. 44:9; S-2844 2Ki. 17:11, Prov. 28:24, Is. 1:23, Mal. 2:14. — Preceding
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16:41, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( non-admin closure) Hot Stop talk- contribs 04:00, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
Communion (Christian) → Communion (word) – This article is not about any one meaning of communion, and is mostly linguistic. The current disambiguator accomplishes nothing, because most/all meanings of "communion" have to do with Christianity (see Communion). See Category:English words for examples of articles with "word" as a disambiguator. JFH ( talk) 19:01, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Do not move to Communion (Christian bond). There may be consensus for other possible titles, but it's not clear from this discussion. B2 C 00:17, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
Communion (Christian) →
Communion (Christian bond) – The current title is very ambiguous; every other common meaning of the word has something to do with Christianity. During the last RM the lead was clarified, and it seems the article is supposed to be about the bond uniting Christians with one another. I would think the article was about the
Lord's Supper based on the title. It is true that the Lord's Supper is an expression of the bond uniting Christians, but it is not the same thing, hence the need for this article. Relisted.
BDD (
talk) 16:05, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
JFH (
talk)
16:27, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
Per the comment immediately above at the end of the RM, I have added a notability tag. Where are the sources for this? Citing some would be good. Dicklyon ( talk) 01:02, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
There is some wording in the Aspects section which appears suspect. First I will quote the passage in question, then relate the two following verses:
quote, "This relationship is generally understood to extend not only to those still in earthly life, but also to those who have gone past death to be "at home with the Lord" (2 Corinthians 5:8)."
1 Corinthians 15:31 - "I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily."
2 Corinthians 5:8 - "We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord."
These verses are necessarily talking about what the symbolism of baptism has done for us, dying to the flesh and rising in the spirit through living by faith (1 Peter 3:21). We call down and carry the Holy Spirit by renewing our minds daily with prayer and study (Romans 12:2, 2 Timothy 2:15); this allows us to live obediently after the example of Christ instead of as slaves to sin. Additionally - unless we are one of the 24 translated elders (Revelation 4:10-11) - our spirit beyond death does not go "home with the Lord" until the resurrection (1 Thessalonians 4:14-17, Revelation 20:4-5); rather, evidence points to the dead knowing nothing and sleeping while in the grave (Daniel 12:2, John 11:11-24, Ecclesiastes 9:5). It's a bit silly to think that when we die our spirit goes to Heaven, then at the resurrection we get taken from Heaven and put back in our bodies so that we can go back to Heaven. When Jesus ascended to the Father, He took His body with Him; when the elders were translated, they likewise took their bodies with them (Genesis 5:24, 2 Kings 2:11, Hebrews 11:5). Our dry bones are made a living soul only when we have breath in our nostrils (Genesis 2:7, Ezekiel 37:4-6). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vapur9 ( talk • contribs) 18:47, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
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