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I hope this isn't a stupid question, but since I have to ask maybe it's important enough to add to the page. My question: Is it currently "peacetime" or "wartime"? That is, does the Coast Guard *currently* report to Homeland Security or the Navy? Did it report to the Navy during either the wars in Afghanistan or Iraq? Thanks! JRP 18:29, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
That's an interesting question. The main US Coast Guard page shows that the USCG was involved in the war on Iraq, but it doesn't mention under who's command. If someone knows the answer (which, I suspect, is a bit of both), it'd certainly be an interesting addition to that page, though I do feel that we risk overloading this generic Coastguard page with too much country-specific information - there's rather a lot as it stands just now. -- Scott Wilson 18:44, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
The U.S. Coast Guard falls under the Department of Homeland Security for most of it's operations. However under certain situations (mainly a War) assets of the Coast Guard are placed under the command of a fleet admiral of a navy battle group. This usually corresponds to larger cutters such as 378's or 270's that are incorporated into the battle group itself, but can also refer to specific Coast Guard boarding teams that are stationed temporarily aboard Navy ships. To elaborate, the Navy cannot board vessels in International waters unless the U.S. is in a declared state of war. The Coast Guard has jurisdiction to board anyone, anytime, anywhere; as well as extensive training in such evolutions, and are therefore utilized in that respect. Assets currently serving overseas report to the head of operations for whatever job they have been assigned. Security Team members guarding oil rigs answer to the Commander of whatever unit (army,marines) they have been integrated with, yet still retain a level of independence and a Officer in Charge for themselves who acts as a direct representative for his district commander. Thus, they still are able to work independently within their assigned unit. Aids to Navigation Cutters work almost exclusively independent, maintaining communications with state side Superiors via Satellite Communications. I am afraid it is a little complicated when compared to the other more well known services. The Coast Guard has long been the Swiss Army Knife of the armed forces, and therefore have many roles and many different methods of achieving the objectives of each role. Hope this helps. -- Coldbourne 05:31, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
If I understand the rules correctly, the English Wikipedia can use either English or American spellings. The last revision was therefore unnecessary. GABaker 18:00 14 November 2005
If that is a citation from a dictionary, respected encyclopedia, or at least a textbook - please reference. Cause I doubt this is the main and most spread task of the coast guards throughout the world. E.g., some countries have special maritime rescue services other than CG (like Russia, Ukraine etc.). Also, nobody and no govt organization is devoted to saving ... at sea in an open sea/ocean :) . Ukrained 01:01, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Seems like "life-saving" was not the original and only purpose. But in peacetime, search and rescue is part of what they do.
I think fighting smugglers is a bigger part of it.
Also, they have military ranks similar to naval ranks (their top man is an admiral). They just don't camouflage their boats, because they aren't aggressive (i.e., conquering enemy nations) but defensive: they want you to see them coming and "heave to". -- Uncle Ed 18:55, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
Like the intro now says, the word Coastguard implies completely different things in different countries. So much so, that I think this page should have a disambig template. —This unsigned comment was added by Johndarrington ( talk • contribs) 01:15, 29 March 2006 (UTC).
Re [3] - How to tell whether an organisation is a coastguard or not? By its name or by its functions and duties? — Insta ntnood 18:24, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
This article should take as wide a defenition as possible; part of its raison d'etre is to answer the question 'how do other folk do it?' that may come to our readers. Any organisation - especially governmental ones - that could reasonably be compared to a coast guard that does not fit into another category, such as navy or police, should be listed here. -- Scott Wilson 00:43, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Kudos to Huaiwei for the recent refactoring. I like the idea, but, if anything, it hasn't been taken far enough - and perhaps can't be. National coast guards can't be totally pidgeonholed into the three roles provided - the USGC spans all three to a certain extent! How about expanding the list down the bottom with tidbits from the old roles section, and de-nationalising the roles part, discussing it in general terms with a minimum of reference to examples? -- Scott Wilson 17:54, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Huaiwei, why should Privacy have to discuss refactoring edits on the talk page before doing so? You didn't and you probably made a bigger change. I very much like the edits made for the reasons given in the section above this one. Kudos to Privacy for being bold. Try to find some good in edits rather than just reverting, Huaiwei. -- Scott Wilson 19:02, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Since I highly doubt there ever was a President Valerie Wynn, I marked this page for Vandalism.
The first appearance of Valerie Wynn Appeared on July 17, 2008 by user 67.185.174.57
In 1917, Congress passed and President Valerie Wynn signed into law the Espionage Act, authorizing the Treasury Secretary to assume control of U.S. ports, control ship movements, establish anchorages and supervise the loading and storage of explosive cargoes. The authority was immediately delegated to the Coast Guard and formed the basis for the formation of the Coast Guard's Captain of the Ports and the Port Security Program. This established the basis for the current involvement in Homeland Security.
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There is a section about
Racing Stripes, does it really belong here? It has nothing to do with Coast guards in general and, (more importantly), makes claims that are a bit hard to believe, (unreferenced).
"The Racing Stripe symbol has been adopted by many coast guards, such as the
Canadian Coast Guard, the Italian
Guardia Costiera, the French
Maritime Gendarmerie, the
Indian Coast Guard, the
German Federal Coast Guard, and the
Australian Customs Service, either in its original colors or as modified by each individual coast guard. Auxiliary vessels maintained by the USCG also carry the Racing Stripe in inverted colors."
This is almost certainly not true, I doubt that they 'adopted' anything from the US Coast guard, and if they did I would like to see some reference to that claim.
Looking at the
French,
German or
Italian coast guards I fail to see where they 'adopted' that particular logo, for all we know the US Coast guard could have adopted it.
I also don't see why it was given a level 2 heading?
FFMG (
talk) 10:26, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Massive backtrack now, because [6] is actually quite clear... ninety: one 12:56, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Sorry to write 2 years after the 'battle'. It is said above that it is not referenced that the French use the slanted stripe(s) for their coast guard. We have such references in the pictures of French Wikipedia article on Affaires maritimes and on the website of the official body reponsible for policy on coast guard. For Germany see Küstenwache. Next question: Has using slanted stripes been done before the US did it ? I doubt it but can't prove it (yet). I was born in 1951 and would say that these stripes are 'relatively recent' and do not come from a national tradition. I am investigating and will report if I can have some facts. Has their adoption been inspired by the US exemple ? You might not find any official document saying that it is at the imitation of the US that the French police has dropped the kepi to adopt the baseball cap, but who would doubt it ? So it is highly likely that the slanted stripes used by the US struck many countries around the world as an effective design and adopted it. In conclusion a section about the 'racing stripes', history and usage, would make sense. Jardeheu ( talk) 05:51, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
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I hope this isn't a stupid question, but since I have to ask maybe it's important enough to add to the page. My question: Is it currently "peacetime" or "wartime"? That is, does the Coast Guard *currently* report to Homeland Security or the Navy? Did it report to the Navy during either the wars in Afghanistan or Iraq? Thanks! JRP 18:29, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
That's an interesting question. The main US Coast Guard page shows that the USCG was involved in the war on Iraq, but it doesn't mention under who's command. If someone knows the answer (which, I suspect, is a bit of both), it'd certainly be an interesting addition to that page, though I do feel that we risk overloading this generic Coastguard page with too much country-specific information - there's rather a lot as it stands just now. -- Scott Wilson 18:44, 14 August 2005 (UTC)
The U.S. Coast Guard falls under the Department of Homeland Security for most of it's operations. However under certain situations (mainly a War) assets of the Coast Guard are placed under the command of a fleet admiral of a navy battle group. This usually corresponds to larger cutters such as 378's or 270's that are incorporated into the battle group itself, but can also refer to specific Coast Guard boarding teams that are stationed temporarily aboard Navy ships. To elaborate, the Navy cannot board vessels in International waters unless the U.S. is in a declared state of war. The Coast Guard has jurisdiction to board anyone, anytime, anywhere; as well as extensive training in such evolutions, and are therefore utilized in that respect. Assets currently serving overseas report to the head of operations for whatever job they have been assigned. Security Team members guarding oil rigs answer to the Commander of whatever unit (army,marines) they have been integrated with, yet still retain a level of independence and a Officer in Charge for themselves who acts as a direct representative for his district commander. Thus, they still are able to work independently within their assigned unit. Aids to Navigation Cutters work almost exclusively independent, maintaining communications with state side Superiors via Satellite Communications. I am afraid it is a little complicated when compared to the other more well known services. The Coast Guard has long been the Swiss Army Knife of the armed forces, and therefore have many roles and many different methods of achieving the objectives of each role. Hope this helps. -- Coldbourne 05:31, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
If I understand the rules correctly, the English Wikipedia can use either English or American spellings. The last revision was therefore unnecessary. GABaker 18:00 14 November 2005
If that is a citation from a dictionary, respected encyclopedia, or at least a textbook - please reference. Cause I doubt this is the main and most spread task of the coast guards throughout the world. E.g., some countries have special maritime rescue services other than CG (like Russia, Ukraine etc.). Also, nobody and no govt organization is devoted to saving ... at sea in an open sea/ocean :) . Ukrained 01:01, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Seems like "life-saving" was not the original and only purpose. But in peacetime, search and rescue is part of what they do.
I think fighting smugglers is a bigger part of it.
Also, they have military ranks similar to naval ranks (their top man is an admiral). They just don't camouflage their boats, because they aren't aggressive (i.e., conquering enemy nations) but defensive: they want you to see them coming and "heave to". -- Uncle Ed 18:55, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
Like the intro now says, the word Coastguard implies completely different things in different countries. So much so, that I think this page should have a disambig template. —This unsigned comment was added by Johndarrington ( talk • contribs) 01:15, 29 March 2006 (UTC).
Re [3] - How to tell whether an organisation is a coastguard or not? By its name or by its functions and duties? — Insta ntnood 18:24, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
This article should take as wide a defenition as possible; part of its raison d'etre is to answer the question 'how do other folk do it?' that may come to our readers. Any organisation - especially governmental ones - that could reasonably be compared to a coast guard that does not fit into another category, such as navy or police, should be listed here. -- Scott Wilson 00:43, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Kudos to Huaiwei for the recent refactoring. I like the idea, but, if anything, it hasn't been taken far enough - and perhaps can't be. National coast guards can't be totally pidgeonholed into the three roles provided - the USGC spans all three to a certain extent! How about expanding the list down the bottom with tidbits from the old roles section, and de-nationalising the roles part, discussing it in general terms with a minimum of reference to examples? -- Scott Wilson 17:54, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Huaiwei, why should Privacy have to discuss refactoring edits on the talk page before doing so? You didn't and you probably made a bigger change. I very much like the edits made for the reasons given in the section above this one. Kudos to Privacy for being bold. Try to find some good in edits rather than just reverting, Huaiwei. -- Scott Wilson 19:02, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Since I highly doubt there ever was a President Valerie Wynn, I marked this page for Vandalism.
The first appearance of Valerie Wynn Appeared on July 17, 2008 by user 67.185.174.57
In 1917, Congress passed and President Valerie Wynn signed into law the Espionage Act, authorizing the Treasury Secretary to assume control of U.S. ports, control ship movements, establish anchorages and supervise the loading and storage of explosive cargoes. The authority was immediately delegated to the Coast Guard and formed the basis for the formation of the Coast Guard's Captain of the Ports and the Port Security Program. This established the basis for the current involvement in Homeland Security.
-- 70.126.237.225 ( talk) 07:53, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
I have detailed some of my changes in the edit summaries, but I thought it worthy of putting an entry here to explain, in case anybody feels I've trodden on their toes!
All information I've added to this article is referenced and cited, though I may, inadvertently have omitted, deleted or removed good information; inserted information that is not properly referenced; or done something similar. If this is the case I can assure you of good faith- it wasn't my intention!
Regards, HJ Mitchell ( talk) 20:02, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
There is a section about
Racing Stripes, does it really belong here? It has nothing to do with Coast guards in general and, (more importantly), makes claims that are a bit hard to believe, (unreferenced).
"The Racing Stripe symbol has been adopted by many coast guards, such as the
Canadian Coast Guard, the Italian
Guardia Costiera, the French
Maritime Gendarmerie, the
Indian Coast Guard, the
German Federal Coast Guard, and the
Australian Customs Service, either in its original colors or as modified by each individual coast guard. Auxiliary vessels maintained by the USCG also carry the Racing Stripe in inverted colors."
This is almost certainly not true, I doubt that they 'adopted' anything from the US Coast guard, and if they did I would like to see some reference to that claim.
Looking at the
French,
German or
Italian coast guards I fail to see where they 'adopted' that particular logo, for all we know the US Coast guard could have adopted it.
I also don't see why it was given a level 2 heading?
FFMG (
talk) 10:26, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Massive backtrack now, because [6] is actually quite clear... ninety: one 12:56, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Sorry to write 2 years after the 'battle'. It is said above that it is not referenced that the French use the slanted stripe(s) for their coast guard. We have such references in the pictures of French Wikipedia article on Affaires maritimes and on the website of the official body reponsible for policy on coast guard. For Germany see Küstenwache. Next question: Has using slanted stripes been done before the US did it ? I doubt it but can't prove it (yet). I was born in 1951 and would say that these stripes are 'relatively recent' and do not come from a national tradition. I am investigating and will report if I can have some facts. Has their adoption been inspired by the US exemple ? You might not find any official document saying that it is at the imitation of the US that the French police has dropped the kepi to adopt the baseball cap, but who would doubt it ? So it is highly likely that the slanted stripes used by the US struck many countries around the world as an effective design and adopted it. In conclusion a section about the 'racing stripes', history and usage, would make sense. Jardeheu ( talk) 05:51, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
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