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The current Circular Migration article is in need of improvement in several areas. Although it exists, it is referenced poorly, lacks details and links to other pages, has some citation errors, and omits crucial aspects of the issues. Upon first glance, the most striking thing is the pure lack of substantive and relevant information. The page has no table of contents and has only two sparse sections.The first sentence of the article lists many issues related to the topic of circular migration, but does not go into detail about any of them. Of the material that is present, most of it focuses solely on the United States. While circular migration involving the United States as a destination country is important, there are many other crucial areas of the issue that should be explored. The given example of Puerto Rico is interesting, but I believe that the example of Israel should be omitted. Many international examples provide a greater context and more in-depth understanding of the topic, including circular migration both between countries and within a country between urban and rural areas. Furthermore, the current article presents little information on other facets of circular migration, such as healthcare, women, global policy, and international development. I would like to provide an overview of the issue and its statistics, do an in-depth analysis of both the costs and benefits of circular migration, and include information on the aforementioned facets of the topic. I intend to edit this article, using sources from the International Labor Review, International Migration, scholars such as Connelly, Gidwani, Newland, and reports by the International Organization for Migration. I would greatly appreciate any suggestions that you all may have, in terms of content, organization, or additional sources! I hope to make this article as strong as possible. Twoods158 ( talk) 22:32, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
I'll leave some notes here as I read through the article.
Overall, this is excellent work. I've upgraded the article to B status. It would take a bit more work to get to Good Article status, but it's not all that far away. Congratulations! -- Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 10:15, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
First of all, the comprehensiveness of this article is pretty impressive, especially considering it was originally a stub! I have a few suggestions you could consider with minor organization and breaking up the blocks of texts, like you said.
I think it could be helpful to have bullet points for some of your lists, just for visual purposes. The two examples I can think of are the six criteria for circular migration, as well as the four factors that are important for its impact. Putting them in a bulleted list might make them easier to find for a rushed reader!
As far as splitting up the text, it might be helpful to split up the Benefits into three subsections of each "triple-win" and possibly the Costs section into brain drain and freedom. I was thinking it could be appropriate to move the Health issues section into the Costs section as well.
I think all the case studies you included were a really nice addition, and helped put the subject into a global context. The section on policy suggestions is good in that regard too, in that it shows some of the current issues facing the subject of circular migration.
As you were discussing above, it would be nice to have some statistics on circular migration in countries, and the world map you have is one really good way to do that visually. Possibly more pictures too? I know that that can be complicated.
By and large, this article is really well written and covers a great amount of issues surrounding the subject. Congrats on B status!
Lggernon ( talk) 16:18, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
I really enjoyed reading this article and I think that it is really comprehensive. You've done a lot of good work especially considering that it started off as a stub! First of all, I think some parts are still a little text heavy and can be split up into more subsections to make it easier on the eyes. The "Case Studies" section is very readable so if you can make the rest more readable like that it would be better.
Also, I think that for the most part the article is neutral but under the gender section I think you can frame the sentence "Policy and intervention programs should...." differently because this is an encyclopedia and that sentence doesn't have the right tone for an encyclopedia article.
Finally, do you know if there are some countries that actually have circular migration policies in place with each other. I think that may be something interesting to add if there is information available. Anyways, you picked an interesting topic and wrote a really good article. Lgriffin92 ( talk) 22:29, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
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Reviewer: DASonnenfeld ( talk · contribs) 13:54, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
Hello Twoods158! Due to meat-space demands I won't be able to be a proper reviewer, but I strongly agree that this is an interesting and thoughtful article. The reason I'm adding my comments is that this is an issue I happen to be very interested in, although unfortunately my knowledge is limited to the experiences of latin american farm workers immigrating to and from the United States.
It seems to me that you do a good job of covering many of the downsides of circular migration, but the issue of wage suppression of the 'native' workerforce is not addressed. For example, during the years of the Bracero program, circular migrant workers were paid substantially less than both native and "settled" immigrant workers, who were forced to lower their wages in order to compete with the Braceros. In a situation like this, calling circular migration a triple-win makes sense from the position of the capitalist class, but substantially less so for the working class.
Another example of a disadvantage of circular migration from the perspective of labor is when considering unionization and worker organization. Again, because I am most familiar with migrant farm workers in the US, I would point to the struggles of the United Farm Workers union, led by Cesar Chavez. Many people don't realize that Cesar Chavez actually was strongly opposed to circular migration, and even tacitly approved a so-called "wet line" on the border between the US and Mexico (in some ways, shockingly similar to the more recent Minuteman Project) in an ineffectual attempt to discourage people from crossing the border into the United States. The reason for his extreme view was that circular immigrants would frequently scab for farmers in the fields where the UFW was conducting strikes, making negotiations for higher wages and better working conditions difficult-to-impossible.
Please feel free to ignore my comments, and I hope that DASonnenfeld doesn't mind my intrusion.. I will try to come back and check on both the article and the review as they both progress! Best of luck, Buttonwillowite ( talk) 18:39, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
The article has ben substantly improved, but it still needs some work to meet with good article criteria.
Hello all,
Thanks so much for all the feedback, DASonnenfeld and Buttonwillowite! I appreciate you taking the time to review the article and giving me thoughtful responses. Over the next few weeks, I plan on expanding the article to contain a broader, world-wide perspective as many mentioned. Hopefully, with some edits and additional information, the article will eventually reach Good Article status. I look forward to more feedback in the future! Twoods158 ( talk) 15:20, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
Thank you! Work has been busier than I expected the past few months, but I've been accumulating sources and plan on adding more material over the Christmas holidays and bringing it back for another nomination. I'll be sure to post on your talk page! Twoods158 ( talk) 02:07, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
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The current Circular Migration article is in need of improvement in several areas. Although it exists, it is referenced poorly, lacks details and links to other pages, has some citation errors, and omits crucial aspects of the issues. Upon first glance, the most striking thing is the pure lack of substantive and relevant information. The page has no table of contents and has only two sparse sections.The first sentence of the article lists many issues related to the topic of circular migration, but does not go into detail about any of them. Of the material that is present, most of it focuses solely on the United States. While circular migration involving the United States as a destination country is important, there are many other crucial areas of the issue that should be explored. The given example of Puerto Rico is interesting, but I believe that the example of Israel should be omitted. Many international examples provide a greater context and more in-depth understanding of the topic, including circular migration both between countries and within a country between urban and rural areas. Furthermore, the current article presents little information on other facets of circular migration, such as healthcare, women, global policy, and international development. I would like to provide an overview of the issue and its statistics, do an in-depth analysis of both the costs and benefits of circular migration, and include information on the aforementioned facets of the topic. I intend to edit this article, using sources from the International Labor Review, International Migration, scholars such as Connelly, Gidwani, Newland, and reports by the International Organization for Migration. I would greatly appreciate any suggestions that you all may have, in terms of content, organization, or additional sources! I hope to make this article as strong as possible. Twoods158 ( talk) 22:32, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
I'll leave some notes here as I read through the article.
Overall, this is excellent work. I've upgraded the article to B status. It would take a bit more work to get to Good Article status, but it's not all that far away. Congratulations! -- Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 10:15, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
First of all, the comprehensiveness of this article is pretty impressive, especially considering it was originally a stub! I have a few suggestions you could consider with minor organization and breaking up the blocks of texts, like you said.
I think it could be helpful to have bullet points for some of your lists, just for visual purposes. The two examples I can think of are the six criteria for circular migration, as well as the four factors that are important for its impact. Putting them in a bulleted list might make them easier to find for a rushed reader!
As far as splitting up the text, it might be helpful to split up the Benefits into three subsections of each "triple-win" and possibly the Costs section into brain drain and freedom. I was thinking it could be appropriate to move the Health issues section into the Costs section as well.
I think all the case studies you included were a really nice addition, and helped put the subject into a global context. The section on policy suggestions is good in that regard too, in that it shows some of the current issues facing the subject of circular migration.
As you were discussing above, it would be nice to have some statistics on circular migration in countries, and the world map you have is one really good way to do that visually. Possibly more pictures too? I know that that can be complicated.
By and large, this article is really well written and covers a great amount of issues surrounding the subject. Congrats on B status!
Lggernon ( talk) 16:18, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
I really enjoyed reading this article and I think that it is really comprehensive. You've done a lot of good work especially considering that it started off as a stub! First of all, I think some parts are still a little text heavy and can be split up into more subsections to make it easier on the eyes. The "Case Studies" section is very readable so if you can make the rest more readable like that it would be better.
Also, I think that for the most part the article is neutral but under the gender section I think you can frame the sentence "Policy and intervention programs should...." differently because this is an encyclopedia and that sentence doesn't have the right tone for an encyclopedia article.
Finally, do you know if there are some countries that actually have circular migration policies in place with each other. I think that may be something interesting to add if there is information available. Anyways, you picked an interesting topic and wrote a really good article. Lgriffin92 ( talk) 22:29, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
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Reviewer: DASonnenfeld ( talk · contribs) 13:54, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
Hello Twoods158! Due to meat-space demands I won't be able to be a proper reviewer, but I strongly agree that this is an interesting and thoughtful article. The reason I'm adding my comments is that this is an issue I happen to be very interested in, although unfortunately my knowledge is limited to the experiences of latin american farm workers immigrating to and from the United States.
It seems to me that you do a good job of covering many of the downsides of circular migration, but the issue of wage suppression of the 'native' workerforce is not addressed. For example, during the years of the Bracero program, circular migrant workers were paid substantially less than both native and "settled" immigrant workers, who were forced to lower their wages in order to compete with the Braceros. In a situation like this, calling circular migration a triple-win makes sense from the position of the capitalist class, but substantially less so for the working class.
Another example of a disadvantage of circular migration from the perspective of labor is when considering unionization and worker organization. Again, because I am most familiar with migrant farm workers in the US, I would point to the struggles of the United Farm Workers union, led by Cesar Chavez. Many people don't realize that Cesar Chavez actually was strongly opposed to circular migration, and even tacitly approved a so-called "wet line" on the border between the US and Mexico (in some ways, shockingly similar to the more recent Minuteman Project) in an ineffectual attempt to discourage people from crossing the border into the United States. The reason for his extreme view was that circular immigrants would frequently scab for farmers in the fields where the UFW was conducting strikes, making negotiations for higher wages and better working conditions difficult-to-impossible.
Please feel free to ignore my comments, and I hope that DASonnenfeld doesn't mind my intrusion.. I will try to come back and check on both the article and the review as they both progress! Best of luck, Buttonwillowite ( talk) 18:39, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
The article has ben substantly improved, but it still needs some work to meet with good article criteria.
Hello all,
Thanks so much for all the feedback, DASonnenfeld and Buttonwillowite! I appreciate you taking the time to review the article and giving me thoughtful responses. Over the next few weeks, I plan on expanding the article to contain a broader, world-wide perspective as many mentioned. Hopefully, with some edits and additional information, the article will eventually reach Good Article status. I look forward to more feedback in the future! Twoods158 ( talk) 15:20, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
Thank you! Work has been busier than I expected the past few months, but I've been accumulating sources and plan on adding more material over the Christmas holidays and bringing it back for another nomination. I'll be sure to post on your talk page! Twoods158 ( talk) 02:07, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
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