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To the person who reviews the draft, I wanted to write a few comments on what the draft consists of, what has changed from the original article, and the sources on the article. First off, this was a draft I’ve been working on for several months and was based on the original Chuggaaconroy article which got deleted due to there not being a case for his notability, despite the fact that he had two articles which significantly covered him from Wired and the New York Times (as in, at least 100 words or more), among other sources. Following the WP:BASIC criteria and WP:WEB, I rewrote most of the article from scratch with new and previously unused sources. Here are my comments:
1: The Wired, New York Times, The Atlantic, The Irish Times, and The Independent are the main sources that support his notability. While the latter three are relatively brief, when combined with the extensive Wired article and the decently significant NY Times article, they should be enough to establish significant coverage. Also, sources from Sequart, Mashable, Reporter and an article from the University of Brasilia also give him significant coverage along with other sources. These should establish his notability as a Let’s Player who makes informative gaming walkthroughs on Nintendo games, under WP:WEB. As for sources from his videos I made sure to follow WP:VIDEOLINK - “Self-published videos may be used as sources of information about their creator if they meet the requirements seen at restrictions on using self-published sources.”
2: In lieu of the Videography section which was repeatedly deleted from the original article, I put a paragraph listing the games he has made videos of which have either received moderate coverage from reliable sources or were used for illustrative purposes, à la TheRadBrad.
3: One source that might be questionable is the Zelda Universe source which talks about Chuggaaconroy’s YouTube suspension in July of 2010. I couldn’t find any consensus on whether or not the source was reliable to use, and it seems that the site might not be independent of him (as he has had his walkthroughs used on the website before), but seeing as how the article seems mostly well-written and isn’t an inaccurate fact (it genuinely did happen to him, and he had talked about it in an interview here), perhaps this source can be used only to verify this fact. I can write that Zelda Universe is an affiliate of him, although he isn't an official member of the website.
But anyway, I believe this draft should at the very least give him notability as a well-known YouTube Let’s Player.
This page should not be speedily deleted because it is substantially different from the original article which was deleted in March 2021, both in terms of new information and sourcing. While I already touched on these points in my first response on the Talk Page, I'll restate some of these points here.
First off, the original article never contained any sort of explanation on the content or style of his videos, specifically his Nintendo-based Let's Play gaming videos where he generally showcases every aspect of the game including every boss battle and sidequest available. This new article clearly adds such information about his videos as demonstrated in the "Commentary and Video Style" sub-section, and is important for distinguishing his videos from other run-of-the-mill YouTube gaming personalities. I also added a new Reception section initially to place all the sources which have mentioned his subscriber and view count (making sure to only use reliable sources as opposed to a database like Social Blade), but later on to add some opinions that third-party sources have said about his content. This was also never mentioned in the original article as well. The other new additions includes the "Other Works" section (his work on Did You Know Gaming, collab with YouTuber "TheJWittz"), and a sub-section for The Runaway Guys, his secondary channel which had a draft that was declined numerous times before; I merged part of its contents into this page.
Second off, I added new sources such as ones from Sequart, Mashable, Reporter, Softonic, Observer-Reporter, Examiner.net (not to be confused with the unreliable source Examiner.com) and Nintendo Life - all of which were previously unused in the article before and most of which cover him in at least 100 words. As aforementioned on the Talk Page, I also added a brief paragraph listing the games he has made videos of which have either received moderate coverage from reliable sources or were used for illustrative purposes, akin to TheRadBrad's article. This was to demonstrate proof that he is indeed a YouTuber who makes gaming videos on Nintendo titles, and to replace the Videography section which was repeatedly deleted numerous times.
Finally, I deleted many of the unreliable sources on his Personal Life section, including several YouTube videos which weren't self-published sources from Chuggaaconroy himself. I also added information about his involvement with Starmen.net, an EarthBound internet forum he browsed as a teenager, along with two sources from reliable outlets unused in the original article. Also making sure to follow WP:BLP, I made sure to remove self-published sources where he talks about his autism, as it's a potentially controversial claim that hasn't been brought up in secondary reliable sources. I also added a Tweet from him about his birthday, following the guidelines for self-published sources.
You may argue that these sources don't establish his notability well enough, but to say that the article isn't substantially different from the original version is a bit dishonest. I rewrote a majority of the article from scratch and only kept a few sentences from previous versions of the article. If you want to remove this article, I suggest you do so at Articles for Deletion once more. However, seeing as how his article for Wired significantly covers him and I made sure to follow WP:WEB and WP:BASIC, this article at the least is above bare notability.
P.S. While I'm not the original creator of this article, I was the one who substantially edited the draft since late May 2021.
PantheonRadiance ( talk) 00:23, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
This should be added to the article 209.93.242.250 ( talk) 09:03, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
Nothing related to sexual assault is mentioned in the article. Besides, those categories are not for people biographies. 209.93.242.250 ( talk) 05:22, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
Unless the allegations are reported in a reliable source to back then up, they can't be included here. It's a bit like Boyinaband, who also has none of his allegations mentioned on his article for the same reason. 209.93.242.250 ( talk) 15:29, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
I am aware that we have held off discussion on recent events due to citation issues. At this stage is ProtonJon’s twitter statement announcing that the TheRunawayGuys would be on indefinite hiatus sufficient to have some degree of mention even if it’s just “following extended contraversy TheRunaway Guys announced they would be on indefinite hiatus”? I recognize that tweets aren’t generally reliable but this is a first hand account and an official statement by the group. MystNinja ( talk) 13:50, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
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To the person who reviews the draft, I wanted to write a few comments on what the draft consists of, what has changed from the original article, and the sources on the article. First off, this was a draft I’ve been working on for several months and was based on the original Chuggaaconroy article which got deleted due to there not being a case for his notability, despite the fact that he had two articles which significantly covered him from Wired and the New York Times (as in, at least 100 words or more), among other sources. Following the WP:BASIC criteria and WP:WEB, I rewrote most of the article from scratch with new and previously unused sources. Here are my comments:
1: The Wired, New York Times, The Atlantic, The Irish Times, and The Independent are the main sources that support his notability. While the latter three are relatively brief, when combined with the extensive Wired article and the decently significant NY Times article, they should be enough to establish significant coverage. Also, sources from Sequart, Mashable, Reporter and an article from the University of Brasilia also give him significant coverage along with other sources. These should establish his notability as a Let’s Player who makes informative gaming walkthroughs on Nintendo games, under WP:WEB. As for sources from his videos I made sure to follow WP:VIDEOLINK - “Self-published videos may be used as sources of information about their creator if they meet the requirements seen at restrictions on using self-published sources.”
2: In lieu of the Videography section which was repeatedly deleted from the original article, I put a paragraph listing the games he has made videos of which have either received moderate coverage from reliable sources or were used for illustrative purposes, à la TheRadBrad.
3: One source that might be questionable is the Zelda Universe source which talks about Chuggaaconroy’s YouTube suspension in July of 2010. I couldn’t find any consensus on whether or not the source was reliable to use, and it seems that the site might not be independent of him (as he has had his walkthroughs used on the website before), but seeing as how the article seems mostly well-written and isn’t an inaccurate fact (it genuinely did happen to him, and he had talked about it in an interview here), perhaps this source can be used only to verify this fact. I can write that Zelda Universe is an affiliate of him, although he isn't an official member of the website.
But anyway, I believe this draft should at the very least give him notability as a well-known YouTube Let’s Player.
This page should not be speedily deleted because it is substantially different from the original article which was deleted in March 2021, both in terms of new information and sourcing. While I already touched on these points in my first response on the Talk Page, I'll restate some of these points here.
First off, the original article never contained any sort of explanation on the content or style of his videos, specifically his Nintendo-based Let's Play gaming videos where he generally showcases every aspect of the game including every boss battle and sidequest available. This new article clearly adds such information about his videos as demonstrated in the "Commentary and Video Style" sub-section, and is important for distinguishing his videos from other run-of-the-mill YouTube gaming personalities. I also added a new Reception section initially to place all the sources which have mentioned his subscriber and view count (making sure to only use reliable sources as opposed to a database like Social Blade), but later on to add some opinions that third-party sources have said about his content. This was also never mentioned in the original article as well. The other new additions includes the "Other Works" section (his work on Did You Know Gaming, collab with YouTuber "TheJWittz"), and a sub-section for The Runaway Guys, his secondary channel which had a draft that was declined numerous times before; I merged part of its contents into this page.
Second off, I added new sources such as ones from Sequart, Mashable, Reporter, Softonic, Observer-Reporter, Examiner.net (not to be confused with the unreliable source Examiner.com) and Nintendo Life - all of which were previously unused in the article before and most of which cover him in at least 100 words. As aforementioned on the Talk Page, I also added a brief paragraph listing the games he has made videos of which have either received moderate coverage from reliable sources or were used for illustrative purposes, akin to TheRadBrad's article. This was to demonstrate proof that he is indeed a YouTuber who makes gaming videos on Nintendo titles, and to replace the Videography section which was repeatedly deleted numerous times.
Finally, I deleted many of the unreliable sources on his Personal Life section, including several YouTube videos which weren't self-published sources from Chuggaaconroy himself. I also added information about his involvement with Starmen.net, an EarthBound internet forum he browsed as a teenager, along with two sources from reliable outlets unused in the original article. Also making sure to follow WP:BLP, I made sure to remove self-published sources where he talks about his autism, as it's a potentially controversial claim that hasn't been brought up in secondary reliable sources. I also added a Tweet from him about his birthday, following the guidelines for self-published sources.
You may argue that these sources don't establish his notability well enough, but to say that the article isn't substantially different from the original version is a bit dishonest. I rewrote a majority of the article from scratch and only kept a few sentences from previous versions of the article. If you want to remove this article, I suggest you do so at Articles for Deletion once more. However, seeing as how his article for Wired significantly covers him and I made sure to follow WP:WEB and WP:BASIC, this article at the least is above bare notability.
P.S. While I'm not the original creator of this article, I was the one who substantially edited the draft since late May 2021.
PantheonRadiance ( talk) 00:23, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
This should be added to the article 209.93.242.250 ( talk) 09:03, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
Nothing related to sexual assault is mentioned in the article. Besides, those categories are not for people biographies. 209.93.242.250 ( talk) 05:22, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
Unless the allegations are reported in a reliable source to back then up, they can't be included here. It's a bit like Boyinaband, who also has none of his allegations mentioned on his article for the same reason. 209.93.242.250 ( talk) 15:29, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
I am aware that we have held off discussion on recent events due to citation issues. At this stage is ProtonJon’s twitter statement announcing that the TheRunawayGuys would be on indefinite hiatus sufficient to have some degree of mention even if it’s just “following extended contraversy TheRunaway Guys announced they would be on indefinite hiatus”? I recognize that tweets aren’t generally reliable but this is a first hand account and an official statement by the group. MystNinja ( talk) 13:50, 2 February 2024 (UTC)