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There is too much detail on the actual beliefs of different sects; nearly half of the jehovah's witness section was summarizing their theology, something best left to its own page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.52.252.168 ( talk) 05:36, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
I feel it is important to stress the influences Christianity has on weddings. It is becoming increasingly more common to have a "Christian" wedding for the sake of an extravagant ceremony. Furthermore, much like Las Vegas, USA has Elvis; Japan has wedding chapels with Christian "priests". This "priests" are nothing more than government officials certified to oversee a marriage. Since I don't have credible research materials, and I don't live in Japan, would anyone be able to add some credible material? 63.161.86.254 ( talk) 15:03, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
surely some mention needs to be made of the bloody suppression of christianity under, i believe, the second tokugawa shogun, circa 1630. Toyokuni3 ( talk) 20:12, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Divie Bethune McCartee was the first Protestant Christian missionary to visit Japan in 1861-1862.
The article on James Curtis Hepburn says "in 1859, he decided to go to Japan as a medical missionary". Next year we're celebrating the 150th anniversary of Protestant Christianity in Japan, dating that from the arrival of Hepburn. Lathos ( talk) 11:54, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Yes, he was first. I have made the appropriate changes. Modified McCartee to read
Divie Bethune McCartee was the first ordained Protestant Christian missionary to visit Japan in 1861-1862.
I assume as Hepburn was a physician and not a cleric that he was not ordained. Jawadbek ( talk) 11:30, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't Chiune Sugihara be mentioned here? Saving 6-10 thousand people is definitely 'notable' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiune_Sugihara —Preceding unsigned comment added by Whitelaughter ( talk • contribs) 03:46, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Agreed, added content from Wiki article. More references are needed however.
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11:39, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
Other missing notable Japanese Christians include Takashi Nagai /info/en/?search=Takashi_Nagai and Yasutake Funakoshi /info/en/?search=Yasutake_Funakoshi — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tfdavisatsnetnet ( talk • contribs) 16:59, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
The Japan have 509,668 Catholics, the Japan have 509,668 Protestants. The Roman Catholicism in Japan have references, the Protestants no. Someone might find the references to the Protestants? Sorry my bad English. Bruno Ishiai ( talk) 22:33, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Just curious here, but why is it that this article "does not require a rating on the project's quality scale"? Boneyard90 ( talk) 23:16, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
I noticed the top of this page reads the line "OLIVIA WAS HERE!!!!". I am not much an expert on Wikipedia style code, but I doubt that line has anything to do with Christianity in Japan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.241.214.36 ( talk) 13:09, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
I have long wondered whether those Christians who were isolated from international Christianity felt any disconnect when they met their con-freres after the Meiji restoration. A colleague from Japan recently told me that this is indeed the case and that some Christians decided to maintain their own (somewhat syncretic) traditions and not conform to the orthodoxy of 19th century europe. I came to this article to confirm this, but nothing is there. Can anyone provide insight or information? Tibetologist ( talk) 18:16, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
Christianity was prohibited in 1587. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.39.36.62 ( talk) 13:49, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
1 You hide a slave trade and Christian connection.
2 The destruction of the Shinto shrine and Buddhism temple.
Why do you hide the act of the devil? The Christian is described like a person of the tragedy by this article. 60.39.36.62 ( talk) 10:21, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
Mormons are not Christians. They should not be listed here. Jehovah's Witness are not considered Christian either, at least by the majority of the Christian world. Catholics, protestants, and Eastern Orthodox all exclude those two faiths. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.187.247.161 ( talk) 22:08, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2002/04/we-look-to-christ?lang=eng - start at 6:10.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhY-vmhQPMI
I will allow a week for any significant sources which oppose the deletion before deleting. Hilltrot ( talk) 02:02, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
A few sources that describe Mormonism as a sect within Christianity:
Mormonism springs from the sectarian tradition of the Radical Reformation, in fact from its most extreme fringe.
[T]he Book of Mormon decides controversies in a number of areas, including those argued among early nineteenth century American theologians.
'The church's message, he explained, "is a message of Christ. Our church is Christ-centered. He's our leader. He's our head. His name is the name of our church."'
Ian.thomson ( talk) 06:47, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
there have been eight Chinese prime minister in Japan. they are Manchurian candidates. Yuriko Tanabe ( talk) 05:56, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
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I changed the term "Mormonism" to "Latter-day Saints" and referenced the Church's style guide in my edit description. I should have referenced Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Latter Day Saints. I think my edit fits the guidelines there as well. If future edits refer to other Mormon sects that exist in Japan, then it may be appropriate to have the heading "Mormonism," but as the article is right now, it is only referring to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Just trying to clarify my edit, thanks. Tea and crumpets ( talk) 01:14, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
It seems to me that the “Threat to Japan” section is somewhat biased. Partially simply because of the phrasing/framing of certain… “facts”, but also because certain assertions in the text seem a little… questionable, and very much need sources/citations if they are to remain.
Examples of phrasing/framing I find suspect: “he learnt that missionaries were… destroying Shinto shrines and Buddhist temples”, “noticed that secret mission”, “realized that Christianity is threat” — these phrases imply that certain… narratives about Christians in Japan are objectively true, as opposed to e.g. simply being the beliefs/opinions of Toyotomi Hideyoshi. Obviously such phrasing can be changed pretty easily, and if there is concrete evidence of such things than it is correct. However, that brings me to my second concern…
Lack of sources: The section lacks any sources, and in particular I find these claims questionable: that Christian missionaries were “destroying Shinto shrines and Buddhist temples”, and that the “secret mission of missionaries” was to “take over the whole country”. But really the whole section needs sources.
Maybe I am wrong about this section being biased. Maybe I am making a mountain out of a molehill considering how tiny the section is. Well, either way, I ultimately just want to make this article, and thus wikiPedia, better, which is why I’m starting this talk page discussion. Sorry for rambling — 2600:1700:1261:E730:E48C:F0A1:84D3:D91A ( talk) 00:26, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
__ I apologize for my inexperience in using the talk space here but there are serious problems with this section. Aside from Ieyasu being listed when he was dead at the time at the Shimabara rebellion and his grandson Iemitsu was the shogun at the time. There is also an issue with how it describes the Shimabara rebellion. It was the largest rebellion of the Edo jidai not in all Japanese history. Techinically all the internal Japanese wars were rebellions of some kind. The Sekigahara would techinically be the largest singular rebellion. This section also appears to misunderstand the nature of politics at the time. Being powerful and showing power was important to the governmental forces.
Here is an easy to read article to get the gist of what the actual fear was and it is properly sourced from well respected academics in the field. [1] 183.77.216.91 ( talk) 01:45, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
This is a very interesting subject to me, so I tried to investigate some more to find real evidence or proof that some Christians indeed where engaging in slave trade (which frankly doesn't surprise and I think it was expectable for the time). I speak spanish, french, a boit of german and english and only could find this paper, which can shed a bit of light on the matter. The Japanese view the subjugation of their religious practices under the Christian faith as a form of enslavement of their culture, as philosophy and religion are entangled as one it becomes a threat for their political system- Also Christians planning to help colonize and destabilize Japan seems preposterous though.
"The Portuguese chronicler Gomes Eanes de Zurara is a great example of the royal ideology of his time. The tone used by him and the definitions he offers for just war and justifications for slavery, however, are a result of Zurara’s time, when slavery became one of the industries of the Portuguese overseas enterprise. The result of these mid-fourteenth century policies was that just war came to substitute the notion of holy war, thus making available to states the power to continue their wars as long as they were justified. As Seymour Drescher explains, the “boundaries of enslavability gradually came to be restricted by religious affiliation, but the enslavement of infidels in a just war offered ample scope for the continuation of the institution. 241 ” In this sense, the Dum diversas helped to confirm and legitimate an expansion of the notion of religious infidelity and allowed the Portuguese administration to justify slavery by itself"
http://repository.tufs.ac.jp/bitstream/10108/91848/1/dt-ko-0244.pdf Jesuits and the Problem of Slavery in Early Modern Japan Rômulo da Silva Ehalt, Doctor of Philosophy (Humanities) Degree Number Ko-no. 244 March 12, 2018 Tokyo University of Foreign Studies, JAPAN
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References
Some articles say that Christianity is spreading among Japanese youth, but it is not true. At least in 2020, the Christian population in Japan will still be less than 1% of the total.
The source of this story seems to be the following survey. However, this statement is not credible because it does not even have a decent knowledge of Japanese, such as "does not even have an appropriate word for hope. We either use ibo, meaning desire, or nozomi, which describes something unattainable.", it is just a racist cultural theory that white people often come up with.-- 雪融 ( talk) 14:12, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
Это правда? 24.94.29.245 ( talk) 01:30, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
Something is odd here the data says 2019 there was 1.9 millions christians (as per US government data) as of 2019 as per r01nenkan.pdf (bunka.go.jp) However in 2022 as per the article (actually as per report of bunka) 94046801_01.pdf the numbers is 1.262 for 2020 that makes a fall of 700 000 christians, is there any issue with the counting ? Where to find a proper estimation, cause a gap of 700 000 is quite huge 103.252.200.250 ( talk) 07:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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There is too much detail on the actual beliefs of different sects; nearly half of the jehovah's witness section was summarizing their theology, something best left to its own page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.52.252.168 ( talk) 05:36, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
I feel it is important to stress the influences Christianity has on weddings. It is becoming increasingly more common to have a "Christian" wedding for the sake of an extravagant ceremony. Furthermore, much like Las Vegas, USA has Elvis; Japan has wedding chapels with Christian "priests". This "priests" are nothing more than government officials certified to oversee a marriage. Since I don't have credible research materials, and I don't live in Japan, would anyone be able to add some credible material? 63.161.86.254 ( talk) 15:03, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
surely some mention needs to be made of the bloody suppression of christianity under, i believe, the second tokugawa shogun, circa 1630. Toyokuni3 ( talk) 20:12, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Divie Bethune McCartee was the first Protestant Christian missionary to visit Japan in 1861-1862.
The article on James Curtis Hepburn says "in 1859, he decided to go to Japan as a medical missionary". Next year we're celebrating the 150th anniversary of Protestant Christianity in Japan, dating that from the arrival of Hepburn. Lathos ( talk) 11:54, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Yes, he was first. I have made the appropriate changes. Modified McCartee to read
Divie Bethune McCartee was the first ordained Protestant Christian missionary to visit Japan in 1861-1862.
I assume as Hepburn was a physician and not a cleric that he was not ordained. Jawadbek ( talk) 11:30, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't Chiune Sugihara be mentioned here? Saving 6-10 thousand people is definitely 'notable' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiune_Sugihara —Preceding unsigned comment added by Whitelaughter ( talk • contribs) 03:46, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Agreed, added content from Wiki article. More references are needed however.
Jawadbek (
talk)
11:39, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
Other missing notable Japanese Christians include Takashi Nagai /info/en/?search=Takashi_Nagai and Yasutake Funakoshi /info/en/?search=Yasutake_Funakoshi — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tfdavisatsnetnet ( talk • contribs) 16:59, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
The Japan have 509,668 Catholics, the Japan have 509,668 Protestants. The Roman Catholicism in Japan have references, the Protestants no. Someone might find the references to the Protestants? Sorry my bad English. Bruno Ishiai ( talk) 22:33, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Just curious here, but why is it that this article "does not require a rating on the project's quality scale"? Boneyard90 ( talk) 23:16, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
I noticed the top of this page reads the line "OLIVIA WAS HERE!!!!". I am not much an expert on Wikipedia style code, but I doubt that line has anything to do with Christianity in Japan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.241.214.36 ( talk) 13:09, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
I have long wondered whether those Christians who were isolated from international Christianity felt any disconnect when they met their con-freres after the Meiji restoration. A colleague from Japan recently told me that this is indeed the case and that some Christians decided to maintain their own (somewhat syncretic) traditions and not conform to the orthodoxy of 19th century europe. I came to this article to confirm this, but nothing is there. Can anyone provide insight or information? Tibetologist ( talk) 18:16, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
Christianity was prohibited in 1587. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.39.36.62 ( talk) 13:49, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
1 You hide a slave trade and Christian connection.
2 The destruction of the Shinto shrine and Buddhism temple.
Why do you hide the act of the devil? The Christian is described like a person of the tragedy by this article. 60.39.36.62 ( talk) 10:21, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
Mormons are not Christians. They should not be listed here. Jehovah's Witness are not considered Christian either, at least by the majority of the Christian world. Catholics, protestants, and Eastern Orthodox all exclude those two faiths. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.187.247.161 ( talk) 22:08, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2002/04/we-look-to-christ?lang=eng - start at 6:10.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhY-vmhQPMI
I will allow a week for any significant sources which oppose the deletion before deleting. Hilltrot ( talk) 02:02, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
A few sources that describe Mormonism as a sect within Christianity:
Mormonism springs from the sectarian tradition of the Radical Reformation, in fact from its most extreme fringe.
[T]he Book of Mormon decides controversies in a number of areas, including those argued among early nineteenth century American theologians.
'The church's message, he explained, "is a message of Christ. Our church is Christ-centered. He's our leader. He's our head. His name is the name of our church."'
Ian.thomson ( talk) 06:47, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
there have been eight Chinese prime minister in Japan. they are Manchurian candidates. Yuriko Tanabe ( talk) 05:56, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
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I changed the term "Mormonism" to "Latter-day Saints" and referenced the Church's style guide in my edit description. I should have referenced Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Latter Day Saints. I think my edit fits the guidelines there as well. If future edits refer to other Mormon sects that exist in Japan, then it may be appropriate to have the heading "Mormonism," but as the article is right now, it is only referring to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Just trying to clarify my edit, thanks. Tea and crumpets ( talk) 01:14, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
It seems to me that the “Threat to Japan” section is somewhat biased. Partially simply because of the phrasing/framing of certain… “facts”, but also because certain assertions in the text seem a little… questionable, and very much need sources/citations if they are to remain.
Examples of phrasing/framing I find suspect: “he learnt that missionaries were… destroying Shinto shrines and Buddhist temples”, “noticed that secret mission”, “realized that Christianity is threat” — these phrases imply that certain… narratives about Christians in Japan are objectively true, as opposed to e.g. simply being the beliefs/opinions of Toyotomi Hideyoshi. Obviously such phrasing can be changed pretty easily, and if there is concrete evidence of such things than it is correct. However, that brings me to my second concern…
Lack of sources: The section lacks any sources, and in particular I find these claims questionable: that Christian missionaries were “destroying Shinto shrines and Buddhist temples”, and that the “secret mission of missionaries” was to “take over the whole country”. But really the whole section needs sources.
Maybe I am wrong about this section being biased. Maybe I am making a mountain out of a molehill considering how tiny the section is. Well, either way, I ultimately just want to make this article, and thus wikiPedia, better, which is why I’m starting this talk page discussion. Sorry for rambling — 2600:1700:1261:E730:E48C:F0A1:84D3:D91A ( talk) 00:26, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
__ I apologize for my inexperience in using the talk space here but there are serious problems with this section. Aside from Ieyasu being listed when he was dead at the time at the Shimabara rebellion and his grandson Iemitsu was the shogun at the time. There is also an issue with how it describes the Shimabara rebellion. It was the largest rebellion of the Edo jidai not in all Japanese history. Techinically all the internal Japanese wars were rebellions of some kind. The Sekigahara would techinically be the largest singular rebellion. This section also appears to misunderstand the nature of politics at the time. Being powerful and showing power was important to the governmental forces.
Here is an easy to read article to get the gist of what the actual fear was and it is properly sourced from well respected academics in the field. [1] 183.77.216.91 ( talk) 01:45, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
This is a very interesting subject to me, so I tried to investigate some more to find real evidence or proof that some Christians indeed where engaging in slave trade (which frankly doesn't surprise and I think it was expectable for the time). I speak spanish, french, a boit of german and english and only could find this paper, which can shed a bit of light on the matter. The Japanese view the subjugation of their religious practices under the Christian faith as a form of enslavement of their culture, as philosophy and religion are entangled as one it becomes a threat for their political system- Also Christians planning to help colonize and destabilize Japan seems preposterous though.
"The Portuguese chronicler Gomes Eanes de Zurara is a great example of the royal ideology of his time. The tone used by him and the definitions he offers for just war and justifications for slavery, however, are a result of Zurara’s time, when slavery became one of the industries of the Portuguese overseas enterprise. The result of these mid-fourteenth century policies was that just war came to substitute the notion of holy war, thus making available to states the power to continue their wars as long as they were justified. As Seymour Drescher explains, the “boundaries of enslavability gradually came to be restricted by religious affiliation, but the enslavement of infidels in a just war offered ample scope for the continuation of the institution. 241 ” In this sense, the Dum diversas helped to confirm and legitimate an expansion of the notion of religious infidelity and allowed the Portuguese administration to justify slavery by itself"
http://repository.tufs.ac.jp/bitstream/10108/91848/1/dt-ko-0244.pdf Jesuits and the Problem of Slavery in Early Modern Japan Rômulo da Silva Ehalt, Doctor of Philosophy (Humanities) Degree Number Ko-no. 244 March 12, 2018 Tokyo University of Foreign Studies, JAPAN
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References
Some articles say that Christianity is spreading among Japanese youth, but it is not true. At least in 2020, the Christian population in Japan will still be less than 1% of the total.
The source of this story seems to be the following survey. However, this statement is not credible because it does not even have a decent knowledge of Japanese, such as "does not even have an appropriate word for hope. We either use ibo, meaning desire, or nozomi, which describes something unattainable.", it is just a racist cultural theory that white people often come up with.-- 雪融 ( talk) 14:12, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
Это правда? 24.94.29.245 ( talk) 01:30, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
Something is odd here the data says 2019 there was 1.9 millions christians (as per US government data) as of 2019 as per r01nenkan.pdf (bunka.go.jp) However in 2022 as per the article (actually as per report of bunka) 94046801_01.pdf the numbers is 1.262 for 2020 that makes a fall of 700 000 christians, is there any issue with the counting ? Where to find a proper estimation, cause a gap of 700 000 is quite huge 103.252.200.250 ( talk) 07:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)