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Short article containing only material pertaining to 2016 South Korean political scandal. In addition, given that it is a BLP dealing primarily with accusations of the subject, increased traffic and scrutiny should result in less chance of BLP policy violations. Melmann (talk) 16:19, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
Note There is a merge discussion in progress on Talk:Choi Soon-sil#Proposed merge with 2016 South Korean political scandal. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. Sawol ( talk) 08:23, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
The scandal itself definitely meets notability criteria and has no shortage of verifiable sources. However, I agree with the sentiment that '-gate' is too forced and is not yet the common name. Proposing move page into 2016 South Korean political scandal and changing this page to redirect instead. tonyxc600 comms logs 11:35, 30 October 2016 (UTC)7
This page should not be speedily deleted because... There needs to be a wiki page explaining clearly, in English, the current Scandal involving the Korean President and Choi Soon-sil! -- 86.128.39.37 ( talk) 11:37, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
This page should not be speedily deleted because... (your reason here) There are ten thousand newses about "Choi Soon-sil gate"(최순실 게이트) [2].-- 10000금 ( talk) 13:11, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Melmann (talk) 05:03, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
Choi Soon-sil gate →
2016 South Korean political scandal – Was proposed for speedy deletion under
section 2.2.8 of the speedy deletion field guide, but moving is more appropriate. It's too early to use a -gate suffix. Pending adoption of the name in English media, we should change the name. —
ʀoyoтϵ
18:29, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to 2016 South Korean political scandal. EdJohnston ( talk) 17:16, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
Choi Soon-sil gate →
2016 South Korean presidential scandal – President
Park Geun-hye finds herself at the center of this scandal. The persons concerned are hardly politicians. Most of them are
Blue House staff, government employees, and nongovernment people.
Sawol (
talk)
15:44, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
What about 2016 South Korean scandal ? I don't know of any other notable scandals this year for South Korea besides this so an adjective may not bec necessary. Ranze ( talk) 04:58, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
I can see plenty of references all included here to establish the notability of the incident and fend off deletionists wanting to nix it, but now I think we need to focus on what statements we can take from these references to explain the scandal. Perhaps due to the controversial nature and it involving a leader we should bring up concepts and discuss on the talk what we ought to say about them first.
Can we say anything about "The 8 Goddess"? I read something about it being 8 female billionaires and Choi being one of them but am not sure how much of that is actually supported by evidence. Ranze ( talk) 05:02, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
A lot of information should be added to this from the 2016 South Korean Protest CriticalThunder ( talk) 16:13, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
I admit I don't know the country's politics/situation at all, but after reading the article, much of it seems to be one-sided. What do others think? Does anyone who knows the situation/story better know how to help regarding WP:NPOV (for translators: simple:WP:NPOV, ko:백:NPOV)? Zeniff ( talk) 05:02, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
Choi also forced Ewha Womans University to change its rules to grant special admission for her daughter Chung Yoo-ra, who is a dressage athlete.which is not only badly written, but also not supported by the citations. Please remember that when you add content, it is your job to ensure that the citations support it. Over here I do not see the citations supporting the fact. Can you show me any article where it says that the court has ruled that the above fact is true? And please sign your comments and indent them properly. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 11:41, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
I'm not sure what kind of sacred mission it is of yours to try to keep all the contents according to NPOV/BLP rules.", well, WP:NPOV and WP:BLP are key policies which are not negotiable. Your responses here demonstrate a WP:IDHT attitude. Your argument "
I have seen numerous other Wikipedia articles that violate the Wikipedia rules" is a WP:OSE/ WP:SEWAGE argument. I still do not see any indication that you understand why NPOV, BLP and BRD is important. Also, this is the umpteenth time, please sign your posts. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 13:31, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of 2016 South Korean political scandal's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "auto":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 11:09, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
Hi, so I am fairly new to wikipedia editing so I wanted to ask on your opinions. President's ruling party suffered a major defeat by the two opposition parties in the midterm election. Also, the president's party has long been split into two factions even before the political scandal: Jin-Park (real-Park) and Bi-Park (non-Park). I feel that such circumstances have had considerable influence in the development leading up to response to the scandal and Impeachment. I wanted to add this to the background. What do you people think? Hejang ( talk) 09:00, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
and the scandal continues...-- Jack Upland ( talk) 07:32, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
or we could change the title to 2016-2017 South Korean political scandal Freewillforever ( talk) 07:32, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
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Short article containing only material pertaining to 2016 South Korean political scandal. In addition, given that it is a BLP dealing primarily with accusations of the subject, increased traffic and scrutiny should result in less chance of BLP policy violations. Melmann (talk) 16:19, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
Note There is a merge discussion in progress on Talk:Choi Soon-sil#Proposed merge with 2016 South Korean political scandal. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. Sawol ( talk) 08:23, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
The scandal itself definitely meets notability criteria and has no shortage of verifiable sources. However, I agree with the sentiment that '-gate' is too forced and is not yet the common name. Proposing move page into 2016 South Korean political scandal and changing this page to redirect instead. tonyxc600 comms logs 11:35, 30 October 2016 (UTC)7
This page should not be speedily deleted because... There needs to be a wiki page explaining clearly, in English, the current Scandal involving the Korean President and Choi Soon-sil! -- 86.128.39.37 ( talk) 11:37, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
This page should not be speedily deleted because... (your reason here) There are ten thousand newses about "Choi Soon-sil gate"(최순실 게이트) [2].-- 10000금 ( talk) 13:11, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Melmann (talk) 05:03, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
Choi Soon-sil gate →
2016 South Korean political scandal – Was proposed for speedy deletion under
section 2.2.8 of the speedy deletion field guide, but moving is more appropriate. It's too early to use a -gate suffix. Pending adoption of the name in English media, we should change the name. —
ʀoyoтϵ
18:29, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to 2016 South Korean political scandal. EdJohnston ( talk) 17:16, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
Choi Soon-sil gate →
2016 South Korean presidential scandal – President
Park Geun-hye finds herself at the center of this scandal. The persons concerned are hardly politicians. Most of them are
Blue House staff, government employees, and nongovernment people.
Sawol (
talk)
15:44, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
What about 2016 South Korean scandal ? I don't know of any other notable scandals this year for South Korea besides this so an adjective may not bec necessary. Ranze ( talk) 04:58, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
I can see plenty of references all included here to establish the notability of the incident and fend off deletionists wanting to nix it, but now I think we need to focus on what statements we can take from these references to explain the scandal. Perhaps due to the controversial nature and it involving a leader we should bring up concepts and discuss on the talk what we ought to say about them first.
Can we say anything about "The 8 Goddess"? I read something about it being 8 female billionaires and Choi being one of them but am not sure how much of that is actually supported by evidence. Ranze ( talk) 05:02, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
A lot of information should be added to this from the 2016 South Korean Protest CriticalThunder ( talk) 16:13, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
I admit I don't know the country's politics/situation at all, but after reading the article, much of it seems to be one-sided. What do others think? Does anyone who knows the situation/story better know how to help regarding WP:NPOV (for translators: simple:WP:NPOV, ko:백:NPOV)? Zeniff ( talk) 05:02, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
Choi also forced Ewha Womans University to change its rules to grant special admission for her daughter Chung Yoo-ra, who is a dressage athlete.which is not only badly written, but also not supported by the citations. Please remember that when you add content, it is your job to ensure that the citations support it. Over here I do not see the citations supporting the fact. Can you show me any article where it says that the court has ruled that the above fact is true? And please sign your comments and indent them properly. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 11:41, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
I'm not sure what kind of sacred mission it is of yours to try to keep all the contents according to NPOV/BLP rules.", well, WP:NPOV and WP:BLP are key policies which are not negotiable. Your responses here demonstrate a WP:IDHT attitude. Your argument "
I have seen numerous other Wikipedia articles that violate the Wikipedia rules" is a WP:OSE/ WP:SEWAGE argument. I still do not see any indication that you understand why NPOV, BLP and BRD is important. Also, this is the umpteenth time, please sign your posts. -- Lemongirl942 ( talk) 13:31, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of 2016 South Korean political scandal's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "auto":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 11:09, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
Hi, so I am fairly new to wikipedia editing so I wanted to ask on your opinions. President's ruling party suffered a major defeat by the two opposition parties in the midterm election. Also, the president's party has long been split into two factions even before the political scandal: Jin-Park (real-Park) and Bi-Park (non-Park). I feel that such circumstances have had considerable influence in the development leading up to response to the scandal and Impeachment. I wanted to add this to the background. What do you people think? Hejang ( talk) 09:00, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
and the scandal continues...-- Jack Upland ( talk) 07:32, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
or we could change the title to 2016-2017 South Korean political scandal Freewillforever ( talk) 07:32, 10 March 2017 (UTC)