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Anyone know why this problem is so prominent in Japan? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Majorofhonor ( talk • contribs)
Removed the following sentence from the wikipedia article because of problematic source:
Increasingly, although rarer, men are being banned from more places including stores, restaurants, hotels, spas, and even entertainment outlets. [1]
The referenced article doesn't give numbers (not even estimates) to how provelant these women-only businesses are, and gives no explanation how they are related to frotteurism. Instead, it insinuates these and leaves the rest to the imagination of the reader. Which makes the article pretty much worthless as a source, not to mention potential problems with policies including WP:WEASEL and WP:NPOV. — Tokek 22:48, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
So Chikan is the Japanese version of copping a feel?
I merged the article into Frotteurism and redirected it there per Talk:Frotteurism#Merging Chikan (body contact) to Frotteurism proposed. I dorfbaer I talk I 16:58, January 2, 2008
Chikan in Japanese simply means any kind of public molestation (or molester), not groping or frotteurism. See my discussion and references in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Chikan. There -is- a current effort in Japan to combat "Chikan", which is generally understood in public (media) discussions to refer primarily to gropers and their ilk on trains, but that's simply because it has become to be widely understood to be the hugest part of the overall issue of public sexual harrassment of women in Japan.
However, I'm not sure what that implies should done with this page. The title "Chikan (body contact)" itself is not correct, and the incorrect idea that Chikan = specifically frotteurism is repeated in several places in Wikipedia. I'm inclined to suggest removing it and letting the Chikan disambiguation page deal with the topic. Thoughts? Flj529 ( talk) 04:16, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
I also feel the title is inaccurate. Between the title and the description, it sort of limits the concept as evidence by the question two posts above. From what I have gathered from Japanese colleagues, it is almost any obscene behavior or sexual harassment, though usually referring to actions done in a public setting and usually between strangers. It's not only "copping a feel", but also includes what we'd call flashers and other things. One female friend told me how she and a friend were in high school on a train, and a man sat down across from them, un-zipped his pants and began masturbating. No body contact, but clearly, he was chikan. Even within the article it mentions Kazuhide Uekusa, whose 2005 crime was using a hand mirror to look up a girl's skirt. I don't have a source for defining chikan, but something has to be out there. For the time being, I suggest we consider alternative titles. Chikan (Japanese term) has been suggested. I also suggest Chikan (person), but would like to hear others. - Boneyard90 ( talk) 09:01, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
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However, there are many dark numbers. Is this simply a garbled attempt at a translation of something like the English hidden victims? Or is there some other significance I'm missing? Nuttyskin ( talk) 14:40, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
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Anyone know why this problem is so prominent in Japan? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Majorofhonor ( talk • contribs)
Removed the following sentence from the wikipedia article because of problematic source:
Increasingly, although rarer, men are being banned from more places including stores, restaurants, hotels, spas, and even entertainment outlets. [1]
The referenced article doesn't give numbers (not even estimates) to how provelant these women-only businesses are, and gives no explanation how they are related to frotteurism. Instead, it insinuates these and leaves the rest to the imagination of the reader. Which makes the article pretty much worthless as a source, not to mention potential problems with policies including WP:WEASEL and WP:NPOV. — Tokek 22:48, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
So Chikan is the Japanese version of copping a feel?
I merged the article into Frotteurism and redirected it there per Talk:Frotteurism#Merging Chikan (body contact) to Frotteurism proposed. I dorfbaer I talk I 16:58, January 2, 2008
Chikan in Japanese simply means any kind of public molestation (or molester), not groping or frotteurism. See my discussion and references in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Chikan. There -is- a current effort in Japan to combat "Chikan", which is generally understood in public (media) discussions to refer primarily to gropers and their ilk on trains, but that's simply because it has become to be widely understood to be the hugest part of the overall issue of public sexual harrassment of women in Japan.
However, I'm not sure what that implies should done with this page. The title "Chikan (body contact)" itself is not correct, and the incorrect idea that Chikan = specifically frotteurism is repeated in several places in Wikipedia. I'm inclined to suggest removing it and letting the Chikan disambiguation page deal with the topic. Thoughts? Flj529 ( talk) 04:16, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
I also feel the title is inaccurate. Between the title and the description, it sort of limits the concept as evidence by the question two posts above. From what I have gathered from Japanese colleagues, it is almost any obscene behavior or sexual harassment, though usually referring to actions done in a public setting and usually between strangers. It's not only "copping a feel", but also includes what we'd call flashers and other things. One female friend told me how she and a friend were in high school on a train, and a man sat down across from them, un-zipped his pants and began masturbating. No body contact, but clearly, he was chikan. Even within the article it mentions Kazuhide Uekusa, whose 2005 crime was using a hand mirror to look up a girl's skirt. I don't have a source for defining chikan, but something has to be out there. For the time being, I suggest we consider alternative titles. Chikan (Japanese term) has been suggested. I also suggest Chikan (person), but would like to hear others. - Boneyard90 ( talk) 09:01, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
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However, there are many dark numbers. Is this simply a garbled attempt at a translation of something like the English hidden victims? Or is there some other significance I'm missing? Nuttyskin ( talk) 14:40, 8 June 2023 (UTC)