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The claim that it is the oldest mosque in India has no general acceptance. The sources quoted are not reliable. Conversion of King Cheraman Perumal and his pilgrimage to Mecca and subsequent death there are not attached much credence by the historians. The caption for the image is patent nonsense. It is not the original structure. The mosque underwent several renovation over centuries. No image of the original structure is available. 59.91.253.14 07:26, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
One of the sources, http://www.iosworld.org/interview_cheramul.htm, provides several instances patently wrong information. Kasaragode is not in Karnataka and a the interviewee, a Keralite, couldn't have said so. The claim that original structure of the mosque is intact is either based on misconception or tendentious. The interview is thoroughly unprofessional and lacks circumstantial information. Cheraman dividing his kingdom is pure myth rejected by all historians of note and there is no point in rehashing the nonsense here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.91.253.15 ( talk • contribs)
The whole history section needs a revision, as the Cheraman Perumal converting to Islam has been debunked as a hoax. I'm removing the history section. If found reliable sources (other than websites and blogs), please consider adding the History section back. - Vatsan34 ( talk) 05:43, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
@ Jyoti Out of 3 Books, 2 clearly read out that Cheraman perumal accepted Islam in his life time. Do not put same lame Edit Summary and get high handed on DELETING before the discussion is over.
First you said, the websites are not good. Now you say the book is flimsy. I have added one more source too and This would be my last reply to you regarding the inclusion of the line. If you continue to delete and be with the same crooked mindedness saying some lame X or Y reasons, i am planning to take up the matter to right forum to get this resolved. Wasif ( talk) 14:53, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
Kindly redo the citation improvement of Auric that you reverted. Also kindly remove the [ vetted] reference that you have reinserted a third time. This is not story and there are no 2 portions, I do not think it is npov issue, I am wishing for un-involved editors to respond there, what is the point of same three editors rehashing it there? -- Jyoti ( talk) 15:49, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
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History section has been written as a promotion of Islam religion. Needs an imminent rewrite. RAFiFan ( talk) 13:53, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
Do prayers in this mosque in the present day face the direction suggested by its architecture, or face Mecca? If the former, have Islamic scholars issued opinions that there is anything wrong with this, since it's clearly an unusual way of doing things? Beorhtwulf ( talk) 18:27, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
There are many news based citation which do not supply any peer reviewed citation. What to do about those? If we keep the citations, people who do not examine citations will be misled by taking the sentences as verified. On the other hand, if we delete those weak citations, we shall lose information that may become useful (which can be searched in peer reviewed sources). Furthermore, some links are inactive. Kawrno Baba ( talk) 14:23, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
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Did you know column on 12 August 2006. The text of the entry was as follows:
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The claim that it is the oldest mosque in India has no general acceptance. The sources quoted are not reliable. Conversion of King Cheraman Perumal and his pilgrimage to Mecca and subsequent death there are not attached much credence by the historians. The caption for the image is patent nonsense. It is not the original structure. The mosque underwent several renovation over centuries. No image of the original structure is available. 59.91.253.14 07:26, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
One of the sources, http://www.iosworld.org/interview_cheramul.htm, provides several instances patently wrong information. Kasaragode is not in Karnataka and a the interviewee, a Keralite, couldn't have said so. The claim that original structure of the mosque is intact is either based on misconception or tendentious. The interview is thoroughly unprofessional and lacks circumstantial information. Cheraman dividing his kingdom is pure myth rejected by all historians of note and there is no point in rehashing the nonsense here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.91.253.15 ( talk • contribs)
The whole history section needs a revision, as the Cheraman Perumal converting to Islam has been debunked as a hoax. I'm removing the history section. If found reliable sources (other than websites and blogs), please consider adding the History section back. - Vatsan34 ( talk) 05:43, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
@ Jyoti Out of 3 Books, 2 clearly read out that Cheraman perumal accepted Islam in his life time. Do not put same lame Edit Summary and get high handed on DELETING before the discussion is over.
First you said, the websites are not good. Now you say the book is flimsy. I have added one more source too and This would be my last reply to you regarding the inclusion of the line. If you continue to delete and be with the same crooked mindedness saying some lame X or Y reasons, i am planning to take up the matter to right forum to get this resolved. Wasif ( talk) 14:53, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
Kindly redo the citation improvement of Auric that you reverted. Also kindly remove the [ vetted] reference that you have reinserted a third time. This is not story and there are no 2 portions, I do not think it is npov issue, I am wishing for un-involved editors to respond there, what is the point of same three editors rehashing it there? -- Jyoti ( talk) 15:49, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
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History section has been written as a promotion of Islam religion. Needs an imminent rewrite. RAFiFan ( talk) 13:53, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
Do prayers in this mosque in the present day face the direction suggested by its architecture, or face Mecca? If the former, have Islamic scholars issued opinions that there is anything wrong with this, since it's clearly an unusual way of doing things? Beorhtwulf ( talk) 18:27, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
There are many news based citation which do not supply any peer reviewed citation. What to do about those? If we keep the citations, people who do not examine citations will be misled by taking the sentences as verified. On the other hand, if we delete those weak citations, we shall lose information that may become useful (which can be searched in peer reviewed sources). Furthermore, some links are inactive. Kawrno Baba ( talk) 14:23, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. The material was copied from: Cheraman Juma Mosque. Copied or closely paraphrased material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.)
For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, and, if allowed under fair use, may copy sentences and phrases, provided they are included in quotation marks and referenced properly. The material may also be rewritten, provided it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Therefore, such paraphrased portions must provide their source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. v/r - Seawolf35 T-- C 18:50, 11 April 2024 (UTC)