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The photo on the front from 63 is during the equal cival rites march,yet in Bowling for Columbine,theres an indication that hes anti-multiculturalism.Im interested to know what this mans stance is on race.as ive also noted that he was a staunch Democrat and is now a Republican.
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Any sources that can be cited? I have seen clips on him speaking on CNN and citing Martin Luther King. However, I have been unable to located written public sources.
Leon Spencer, Animis Opibusque Parati 05:09, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Heston seemed to take up the cause of the moment. We can all agree today that civil rights movement of the 60's was a very important social issue, but in the 60's many thought it was very controversial. I'm sure many people hated him for the support he gave the civil rights movement. Today many feel that those who support the second ammendment are being marginalized and even demonized. He liked to tilt at windmills? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fabio4 ( talk • contribs) 05:38, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
This picture is rather old. Can we find another that doesn't date from the sixties? -- Saforrest 00:53, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
I sent a request to Ken Kwok. Ken has taken photos of Heston:
http://www.hollywood.com/photo_gallery/Charlton_Heston/2400531
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Leon Spencer, Animis Opibusque Parati 05:16, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
For the love of God, Heston was born in 1923. I have all his books, I think he knows the right date........
"every other source I find on the internet says 1924" ... the Internet is VERY OFTEN WRONG. I cannot believe someone would be so dumb as to cite "the internet" as a source, when there are so many factual documents accessible these days! Anyone with access to census records can plainly see he was born in 23. His family moved in '30 and he's listed TWICE in the April Census, both putting his age as born 1923.
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Well, but now the article is wrong either way. It is said, that he was born in October 1924, proofed by the reference to the article "MSNBC. Charlson Heston dead at 84.". But if he died in April 2008 with an age of 84, he must have been born in 1923 indeed. (Presumption: October 1923 born, October 1924 one year, October 1925 two, October 1926 three, October 1927 four, October 1928 five, ..., October 2008 eighty-five - so in April 2008 still eighty-four, as MSNBC said) -- 84.59.199.105 ( talk) 07:50, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
It seems the date of his birth (and the various reporting on it) are themselves are matter of note now. The article should explain the contradictory info and that newspapers have reported both ages rather than just report the 1924 birthdate as gospel. Zkzkz ( talk) 09:58, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
I work at a newspaper and we have access to voter ID records; Heston's ID record lists his birth year as 1924. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.130.191.86 ( talk) 19:53, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY just copy out the (already stupid) trivia section on the IMDB and paste it here? It serves no purpose and is almost certainly a copyright violation. If no-one can advise me otherwise in the next few days I will delete the whole section wholesale. Badgerpatrol 01:04, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Yes, it's a copyvio, so no keep. Tawker 00:51, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
- Prior to starring in The Omega Man, a remake of Vincent Price's film The Last Man On Earth, Heston and Price appeared together in Cecil B. Demille's The Ten Commandments. - His wife calls him Charlie, but everyone else calls him Chuck. - While they were starring in a play together in 1960, Laurence Olivier told Heston that he had the potential to become the greatest American actor of the century. Although the play received unfavorable notices, Olivier told Heston that he must to learn to forget good notices in order to do better next time. - *His favorite food is Loushka; a Hungarian dish made with noodles, spinach, and chicken broth. - Was nicknamed "Cheston," on his appearance on "Space Ghost: Coast to Coast" (Episode 3.20, "Dam")
Ahem. If this material originated on wikipedia, then it was contributed by a very poor editor (or, more likely, a very inexperienced one). In any case, these bullet points are a) not continuous text; and b) not verified ('Any unsourced material may be challenged and removed.'). I do not feel that it is a valuable contribution to the article. Equally, I do not feel myself to be knowledgable enough re this subject to separate the wheat from the chaff. I gave prior notice of my intention to delete this section, and received only one assent and no dissenters. If you however feel that reverting to the previous version improves the article (I do not, and I believe that my opinion (re these trivia sections) is shared by other wikipedians, although I accept fully that there are no hard-and-fast rules), or that you have the specialist knowledge to pick out and properly reference the material worth preserving, then please do so! Cheers, Badgerpatrol 21:48, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
The Olivier item has been corrected on the imdb. What Olivier was basically saying to Heston was that in order to improve as an actor it is essential to forget good reviews, and instead look at the bad notices to understand how one can do better next time.
There seems to be a dispute over the year of birth. Does anyone have a hardcopy of one of his memoirs? - Will Beback 21:39, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I have an original copy of "In the Arena", first published in 1995. Heston writes, "In 1933, when I was ten ..."
In his book, "The Actor's Life", he mentions turning 35 while shooting "Ben-Hur" in Rome, October, 1958.
That means he was born in 1923!! 58 minus 35 is 23!!! This is from his own journals. He was born in 1923...NO DOUBT. I met him in April 1998 here in OKC.~~MikeR~~
Heston himself said he was born in 1923, I think he knows better than any Internet sources. He was 28 when he made "The Greatest Show On Earth", DeMille probably thought it was better to say he was 27.
Well, but now the article is wrong either way. It is said, that he was born in October 1924, proofed by the reference to the article "MSNBC. Charlson Heston dead at 84.". But if he died in April 2008 with an age of 84, he must have been born in 1923 indeed. (Presumption: October 1923 born, October 1924 one year, October 1925 two, October 1926 three, October 1927 four, October 1928 five, ..., October 2008 eighty-five - so in April 2008 still eighty-four, as MSNBC said) -- 84.59.199.105 ( talk) 10:02, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
The Birth Certificate of Heston was obtained and was published in ASTRODATABANK program: 4 Oct 1923 7.55 am Evanston. You can write to Pat Taglilatelo, director of www.astrodatabank.com and ask for a copy of the BC. User: Isaac Starkman 6 Apr 2008 15.40 UT
Nothing to add here, but I did just read through the article's "Politics" section and want to congratulate the contributors for creating one of the most objective, non-biased articles I have read on Wiki. The man had a long, interesting career that's difficult to summarize in short soundbites, and this section was not only informative, it didn't try to persuade readers to see the man in any specific light. Good job, you guys! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ladam11 ( talk • contribs) 22:00, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
Was Heston actually against Nixon and Vietnam as the article says, because according to the Internet Movie Database he attended Richard Nixon's victory celebration in 1972 along with John Wayne, Clint Eastwood and Glenn Ford.
Actor George Clooney was quoted as saying that Heston deserved Alzheimer's …
This is not supported by the link which is provided, which only quotes Clooney as saying that Heston deserved whatever was said about him. Corrected. Aretnap 19:12, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't something be said about his announcement that he has Alzheimer's Disease? Looking over the talk pages, I realize there was some controversy about that a while back, but shouldn't there at least be a sentence in the article mentioning it? Gershwinrb 06:37, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
This is more of a question. Back in the mid 70's I often received mail from an organization calling itself ZPG (Zero Population Growth) whose concern was that world population was in a headlong plunge toward overwhelming our resouces. If my memory is correct, Charlton Heston was the spokesman for the organization then. Am I correct? Al Gore in his Inconvenient (or Unwelcome)Truth, has sounded the same alarm... which of course would be a very different (and welcome)alliance between the two.
How about moving the quotes to wikiquote ( http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Charlton_Heston) an deleting them here, and then concentrate on Heston and not what he might have said?
Here it says St. Helen, Michigan, but imdb.com says Evanston, Illinois. Which is it? Fistful of Questions 04:53, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Did Charlton Heston star in a Movie about an aging Quarterback? Was it called "The Pro"?
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It was called "Number One" (1969). Sensei48 ( talk) 11:10, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Back in the 70's I received a lot of mail from an organization calling itself ZPG (Zero Population Growth) whose concern was that world population was rapidly exceeding our resources and needed to be volutarily reigned in as a prefered solution to famine, pestilence, & war. If I remember right, Charlton Heston was the spokesman for the organization and the mail was from him. Am I correct? 4.242.150.44 17:48, 21 March 2007 (UTC) Al (ALTRKR@earthlink.net)
Charlton is his mother's maiden name...
It is stated at the beginning that he was born John Charles Carter and then got the surname Heston when his mother remarried, but how and when exactly did he became Charlton? I can see no answer to that question in the article. KMA "HF" N 18:24, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
The 1930 U.S. Census shows the Carter family living in Richfield Township, Roscommon County, Michigan. The family is Russell W. (32), Lilla C. (30), Charlton J. (6), and Lilla A. (2 1/2). The census taker recorded the names as they were given by the mother or father, so the family used the name "Charlton" before his parents were divorced. The census also shows that Charlton was born in Illinois and his younger sister was born in Michigan. Both parents were born in Illinois. Chester L. Heston (27), a native of Ohio, is also listed in the 1930 census living as a "Roomer" in the same township and county in Michigan, which only requires 6 pages of the census. Pamarcot52 ( talk) 17:27, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
In the article it states that Heston held up a Sharps rifle. According to the NRA it was a hand made Pennsylvania rifle made by Master rifle maker Cecil Brooks. Here is a link to an NRA article about the rifle maker and the famous Heston quote. http://www.nrapublications.org/TAR/CecilBrooks.asp Wallyyoung 02:54, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Something minor, but I figured I'd mention it. Midnight Oil's song 'Shipyards of New Zealand' from Red Sails in the Sunset, Charlton Heston is mentioned: Now danger lurks behind the spreader / And Charlton Heston casts the first stone / User interference birthmarks / Clever, not very wise -- 81.165.171.208 18:40, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
There is no such word as "alright." The phrase is spelled "all right." Elementary school grammar.
Also, please, in second references to people, unless there are two or more people with the same last name in the article, the name used should be the last name. Hence, "Gore Vidal" becomes "Vidal," not "Gore." -- 208.106.59.58 ( talk) 18:42, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Umm.... there is a word "alright". I think you mean "alot" and "a lot". Alright means "okay", as in "I'm alright." –The Obento Musubi ( Contributions) 05:42, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, well they need to make it a proper word already... Alright looks like a word in it's own right that has come from all and right and means "okay" or signifies agreement, wheras "all right" looks stupid (in my opinion) and holds onto the old meaning of "all is well". 98.18.28.16 ( talk) 20:12, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Until I read this section, I firmly believed that "alright" was grammatically proper. However, rather than cling uncritically to my preconceptions, I--wonder of wonders--actually looked it up. And I was wrong. This is what www.dictionary.com has to say about the matter:
In an enclycopedic article, we should probably opt for more rather than less formality. Cosmic Latte ( talk) 00:01, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
In the course of collecting mostly literary material on the North East of England, I have accumulated on the way the following scraps:
CHARLTON HESTON (1924 - 2008)
The star of Ben Hur, El Cid and many other Hollywood epics was born John Charlton Carter (the Heston comes from a step-father). His grandfather was a miner in the Newcastle area working from the age of nine 1890-95 before emigrating to the USA. Heston’s wife Lydia also has North East antecedents, in the Alnwick area. Her maiden name was Clarke.
It appears that Heston stayed in Jesmond (Newcastle)in the 1970s while researching his family history, and shopped in Acorn Road. He showed some facility in using the local speech, it seems. He was guest of honour at the official re-opening of the Theatre Royal, Newcastle in 1988.
If someone has references for any of this, it might be suitable for insertion in the article. I may well have come across information in the Newcastle Evening Chronicle, and will see if I can get some chapter and verse. Charlton, by the way, is a common name in the North East. The Charltons were one of the great Border families.
Bandalore ( talk) 06:32, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
The passage that refers to Heston's statement that was a civil rights activist before it was fashionable has a citation tag on it. I did not write that passage, or place the tag, but I distinctly remember reading a series of excerpted quotes from a book he wrote several years ago in which he said this. I don't recall the name of the book, but the one book by him at Amazon.com is To Be a Man, which is from 2000, which sounds about right to me. Someone who has a copy or could buy or borrow one should be able to use it to source that statement. Nightscream ( talk) 10:22, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Could you please add that film to Charlton Heston's filmography? I see it is not listed even though it is a separate article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Man_for_All_Seasons_%281988_film%29 Regards, Shelest —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.210.132.91 ( talk) 10:46, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
CHARLTON HESTON DID NOT CONSIDER HIMSELF FROM ILLINOIS - HE CONSIDERED HIMSELF FROM MICHIGAN WHERE HE SPENT MOST OF HIS TIME GROWING UP. HIS FAMILY OWNED LARGE SECTIONS OF LAND IN CENTRAL MICHIGAN (LOWER PENINSULA) AND HE CALLED HIMSELF "A BOY FROM MICHIGAN." THE WIKI ARTICLE DOES NOT EVEN SPEAK OF MICHIGAN! POOR JOB, WIKI! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.61.196.89 ( talk) 13:14, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
None of these seem really like meaningful parts of his overall biography... so I'm copying them here in case someone wants to streamline this into a coherent prose section. -- Rividian ( talk) 13:41, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
In the 2001 remake of Planet Of The Apes, Heston had a cameo as General Thade's father, Zaius, ending his only scene with the same line he ended the original movie with "Damn them! Damn them all to hell!"
In the video game " Postal²", there are many allusions to Heston, such as a difficulty level called "Hestonworld" and the "Postal Dude" considering him as "his President".
Spotswoode's voice in the film Team America: World Police is an homage to Heston. The Switchfoot song, Might Have Ben Hur is dedicated to Charlton Heston.
On the sketch comedy show MADtv, Heston was parodied by then-cast member Pat Kilbane.
Heston was parodied by the animated show The Angry Beavers on multiple occasions. The line "Get your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty apes!" (from Planet of the Apes) was spoken by the show's lead characters Daggett and Norbert in several episodes, and in one episode the two quoted a passage of dialogue from Ben-Hur (1959).
Anglo-Irish band Stump released a single entitled Charlton Heston about his film The Ten Commandments. The song contains the short chorus "They'd always ask us to describe, How Charlton Heston put his vest on" amidst humorous descriptions of scenes from the film. Lyrics to Charlton Heston by Stump
Boston hardcore punk band Slapshot has a song called "Shoot Charlton Heston". It has appeared, amongst others, on their greatest hits album.
Boston ska band Big D And The Kids Table has the lyrics "Let Charlton Heston have his gun, let somebody shoot him just for fun". It appeared on their album Strictly Rude in the song Hell On Earth.
Heston was mentioned in the song "The Idiots Are Taking Over" by the punk rock band NoFX, in the line "And I'm starting to feel a lot like Charlton Heston, stranded on a primate planet."
Heston is referenced in the song "My Favorite Mutiny" by hip-hop group The Coup on their album Pick a Bigger Weapon, and in "In the Music" by The Roots from their album Game Theory (album).
Oklahoma City sports radio station WWLS (AM) "The Sports Animal" features a segment with a man claiming to be Charlton Heston. The segment, which airs during the morning of football games, is called "Charleton Heston's Football Firing Line" and includes Heston giving his top choices for point spread victories. The segment plays on the fact that Heston is a member of the NRA and uses terms like "shotgun blast of the week game".
I removed this claim: "Heston planned to campaign for Lyndon Johnson, but when filming on Major Dundee went over schedule, did not." Someone can re-add it if they can find a citation... I couldn't. -- Rividian ( talk) 13:48, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
I also removed this for the same reason: "Heston saw McCarthyism and racial segregation as helping the cause of Communism worldwide, and opposed both." -- Rividian ( talk) 13:51, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
I can't edit this, but Heston was born in 1923 and died at 84 not 83.( 76.178.68.210 ( talk) 15:12, 6 April 2008 (UTC))
As a frequent and cited reliable editor of IMDB, if that counts for anything, I can assure you that at the time of Mr. Heston's death the matter of correcting his birthday was under revue by the site administrators. It's too bad the bureaucracy of the site kept the info from getting changed before every freaking news source, including TCM, used the erroneous 1924 date. FYI, the official statement from his FAMILY said 84 death. UnderPressure ( talk) 06:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
There was no reason to split the filmography into its own article. It is 113 films - not more, no less. It's no so long it can't be in this article, it won't get any longer. Please restore, it is better to have a list of films here than force the user to click through to a new page. 96.231.161.184 ( talk) 22:51, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
IMO it's too short to be a separate article, and not too long to be part of the article. Splitting has its downsides, it forces users to click through when they are looking for really basic info - at the very least the main article should contain a list of his major films. Look at the sub-section Notable Works by Charles Dickens for example how that is done. It also looks silly to have an empty section with only a "Main article" link. 96.231.161.184 ( talk) 00:21, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
The example from Dickens is pretty clear. It helps users see at a glance the major works in chronological order without reading the entire article, and it fills out the section - otherwise there is no need for a section, except as a placeholder for a main article link it's dumb, it would never pass FA. Yes the major films are discussed in the article, likewise they should be collected in list format in chronological order, not as prose. 96.231.161.184 ( talk) 04:38, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Today the reports of his death indicated that he spent his youth here. There seems to be corroboration on the web. Anybody have an opinion on that? 7&6=thirteen ( talk) 18:12, 7 April 2008 (UTC)Stan
I undid edits to the intro that claimed he "also" supported conservative politics rather than that he "later" supported them; I restored the "later." The justification for the original removal of "later" was "The statement later advocated implies that his views changed. His civil rights views did not clash with his conservative views." His views did, in fact, change. He switched from Democrat to Republican, as the article already says. A one-time civil rights advocate who later defends "the God fearing, law-abiding, Caucasian, middle- class Protestant...evangelical Christian...rural...admitted heterosexual...gun-owning...NRA-card-carrying, average...male working stiff" has changed indeed. As has a one-time supporter of the Gun Control Act of 1968 who later becomes president of the NRA. Cosmic Latte ( talk) 18:25, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
User:Monkeyzpop's recent change is fine in that it doesn't contrast support for civil rights with conservatism. It probably needs a citation for the claim that he was initially a liberal Democrat. -- Elliskev 19:14, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
By the way, the civil rights movement was a discrete event in American history. The article never made the vague and sweeping claim that Heston "supported civil rights." Most people support some notion of "civil rights" for someone. The claim that Heston supported the civil rights movement, which occurred in the past, and then, later supported conservative politics is absolutely accurate. Cosmic Latte ( talk) 19:55, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Just a correction of a factual error in your narrative of Heston's filmography: Charlton Heston played Sherlock Holmes in the "Crucifer of Blood", but was accompanied by Richard Johnson as Dr. Watson, not Jeremy Brett (who did indeed go on to star as Holmes himself). Richard Johnson also co-starred with Heston in "Treasure Island", playing Squire Trelawney to Heston's Long John Silver; a young Christian Bale also co-starred in "Treasure Island" as Jim Hawkins, as did Julian Glover, Oliver Reed, and Christopher Lee, among others. Clive Wood and Steven Mackintosh also played in both films.
They are both very fun movies, and I was particularly impressed with Heston's physical endurance in Treasure Island, being about 70 during filming, and very realistically doing the peg-leg routine with his real leg folded up and cinched to his rear, and him climbing, rope-crawling, and running around on that---even pushing himself up onto his crutch with one hand in the negotiating scene at the blockhouse. I hope I'm in that good of physical shape in 30 more years!
I also though I read in one of Heston's bio's that he did, in fact, injure his hip or leg in filming one of his westerns---maybe by his horse landing on it wrong. I can't recall now, maybe it was one filmed in the 1960's, but I thought I heard him refer to it in a much later interview that explained why he finally had to have that hip replaced. We moved a few months ago and all my books are in storage right now. Someone should check it out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.194.48.212 ( talk) 21:00, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Monkeyzpop ( talk) 08:12, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Mr. Heston described himself as a "peanut butter addict" in a filmed interview, circa 1980-1985 time period. It was shown on TV and was filmed in his home. I wish I could provide more than that, but am mentioning it here to see if anyone els knows more about this. I distinctly remember it because I have been using that quote for probably 25 years---I also am a "peanut butter addict".
(I'm sorry my comments are rather amateurish at this point---I've never done this before---I even forgot to sign my username on my previous comment about Heston's co-star being Richard Johnson and not Jeremy Brett.)
Mluklu7 ( talk) 21:37, 7 April 2008 (UTC)mluklu7
The cute 1955 comedy "The Private War of Major Benson", starring Charlton Heston, was the early version of the 1995 comedy "Major Payne" starring Damon Wayans. The main tribute to the earlier movie is seen in Major Payne's full name (which is annunciated clearly) "Major Benson Winifred Payne", and other similarities are seen in things like the basic junior R.O.T.C. plotline, the love interest, and the small boy character who is nicknamed "Tiger".
The Heston film is significant as one of his few purely comedic roles (even though Major Benson is almost the straight-man), and that it shows Heston in a rather ordinary-man situation, with fatherly overtones, rather than the usual epic character.
The Wayans film is much more profanity-laced, but the title character is more reminiscent of a modern drill sergeant or Marine Corps drill instructor. The outrageous statements and mannerisms are hilarious to anyone who has been through basic training, and their ridiculous fictional application to a group of youngsters is incidental.
While both films are very enjoyable, neither may be considered spectacular, but both serve to touch on a couple of age-old cultural themes: boys playing army, and a professional finding himself back to "square one", as it were.
Mluklu7 ( talk) 22:05, 7 April 2008 (UTC)mluklu7
Can someone add that the unnamed film he protested in 1961 in Oklahoma City was "El Cid." There is a Wiki entry under El Cid (film) that it can be linked to. I don't have an account and I'm not getting one. The page got protected literally five minutes before I could add the information. Also, contrary to some allegedly reputable sources it was NOT the " world premiere" of the film, that occurred in London. It was the premiere of the film in _Oklahoma City_.
12.205.149.45 ( talk) 02:14, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Regarding the Michael Moore interview with Charlton Heston, this particular portion of Moore's "documentary" is heavily edited and even outright falsified for obvious reasons.
The 1999 NRA Meeting in Denver was originally scheduled to occur two weeks after massacre at Columbine High School. As a result of the shootings at the school, the NRA, at significant financial loss, cancelled all event except for the Annual Meeting of Members, which was held only due to legal requirements of the New York Non-Profit Laws under which the NRA is chartered. This meeting was held, and all speeches made were very low-key, and certainly not inflammatory.
Moore's claim that Heston held the Kentucky Rifle over head and said "From my cold, dead hands" at the Denver meeting is a falsehood. The video in the movie that is alleged to show this incident was actually taken in Kansas City the following year. This falsehood was perpetrated by Moore to cast the NRA in an unfavorable light, insinuating that they had held their convention miles away from the massacre, a mere two weeks later.
The fact is that the huge exhibit hall, awards banquets, fundraisers, and all other events were cancelled by the NRA, voluntarily, because they perceived it to the right thing to do. Their financial loss was in the millions of dollars for this decision. The only meeting held in Denver was required by law, and simply could not be cancelled without risking a forfeiture of the NRA's corporate charter by the state of New York. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.215.108.98 ( talk) 16:02, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Is that really appropriate for an encyclopedia article? And if yes, shouldn't we add how Britney Spears and the Dalai Lama commented that exchange?
-- Austrian ( talk) 23:37, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. The tone or style of which it was presented isn’t standard.-- DavidD4scnrt ( talk) 05:33, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Does this really belong? This article is a summary. This is very detailed and seems more appropriate for the Ben Hur movie page.
GordonUS ( talk) 20:27, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
The current source ( http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080406/ap_on_en_mo/obit_heston) for the cop killer incident doesn't in any way mention it. A correct source is http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CEFD6113AF934A25754C0A964958260. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.137.74 ( talk) 05:51, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
There is an error in this section mixing up the films The Omega Man and Soylent Green. The Omega Man was released in 1971; Soylent Green in 1973. Abogmeister ( talk) 08:18, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
I made the change, switching the 2 films, The Omega Man and Soylent Green to their correct mentions and years in film history. Abogmeister ( talk) 01:39, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
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I have removed the notation under "Awards" in the Infobox to the Golden Raspberry Awards. Mr. Hall of England had just added the Jean Hersholt Humanitarian Award that Heston received to the SAG, Golden Globe, and Academy Awards already listed - and that further magnified the utterly inappropriate nature of including the GR at that point in the article.
The Golden Raspberry is not an award of the same type or caliber as the others listed, and self-evidently and by its own self-definition is not an award at all. Its presence in the Infobox as an "award" demeans not only those other legitimate awards but also in its puerile and sophomoric nature the integrity of Wikipedia as a legitimate source of information.
If anyone of an irredeemably adolescent frame of mind feels that this information is somehow important in the understanding of Heston's life and notability, then it could probably be added as a text reference in the "Hollywood" section as a note about the actor's later career.
FWIW, I have no especial regard for Heston's work beyond what he clearly did well, and I despise every detail of his politics. But I hate worse POV and ax-grinding posing as information worth noting. Sensei48 ( talk) 03:13, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
What is this Who-What-When rule that requires dates be at the end of a sentence? I can't find it in the WP manual of style, nor can I find it in any online style manual or even by Googling. Is this really a supportable rule? I ask because its rigid use seems to make every sentence come out quite formulaic and, hence, dully. I'm glad to abide by it if it's a real rule, but it sounds far too inflexible and monotonous a form to make for interesting reading. Reading the newly edited Heston article reminds me now of middle-school book reports in which it's clear the writer had no idea he was allowed to be colorful, individualistic, or varied in the music of his words. Remember what was said about "a foolish consistency".... Monkeyzpop ( talk) 05:44, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Sometimes its not good to put the dates at the end of sentences and I don't do it for every date but it is what I learned in grammar school. IP4240207xx made an excellent explanation. When we put dates at the beginning of sentences it has some problems such as:
1- It has no meaning. Its just a date. Putting the date at of the end of the sentence succeeds what happens. I started putting the dates at the end because whenever I'd read wiki articles I'd ALWAYS say "Wait, what? When did this happen?" and have to go to the beginning of the sentence to verify. I found myself not remembering dates.
2- It creates an unnecessary stop. Most reader's do not have time and a lot of unnecessary stops adds up and disrupts flow. People tend to skim over the article and when we create unnecessary pauses it prohibits the reader from doing skimming and more often than not they stop reading. I generally can never read a full wikipedia article because of all unnecessary words and pauses.
As for the 1950 to 1960s change in the header, I agree it was probably better before but I didn't really pay attention because I was changing the majority of the dates and just did it in habit. You can change that part back.
Btw, the rule comes from the phrase "Who? What? When? Where? Why?" Think about it. When someone explains an event to you do they tell you "On January 31, Bob was punched in the face." Normally, they say "Bob was punched in the face" and we respond by asking "when, where why" Bob being punched in the face is the action/topic of the sentence and grabs the reader's attention. Btw dates are boring. I have no idea where you got the idea that starting a sentence off with dates makes the article less boring and easier to read.
GordonUS ( talk) 22:54, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
GordonUS ( talk) 20:51, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Also, when we put the date at the start of sentences with a comma, we force the reader to read the date whereas if we put it at the end of the sentence without a comma, the reader knows its a date and if it has no significance to them they can easily skim over it.
GordonUS ( talk) 21:39, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
I can't substantiate the claim, and it's probably too trivial to mention in the main article anyway, but Heston has portrayed characters spanning a very wide range of dates, from 1391 BC ( Moses) to 3978 AD ( Taylor). This may be some kind of record for a single actor. | Loadmaster ( talk) 21:59, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
What is No Man's Land, Evanston, Illinois supposed to mean? 173.20.4.42 ( talk) 07:13, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
I've changed the birthplace back to No Man's Land, Illinois after doing further citation-hunting and after creating an article for the specific locale. Since Heston, in his cited autobiography, is extremely clear about having been born in No Man's Land rather than Evanston, and since it is equally clear (from other material cited in the new article) that No Man's Land was incorporated into Wilmette, Illinois in 1942, and since it is not at all clear that the specific location of Heston's birth is or ever was in Evanston, it seems to me that Heston's own statements should carry the most weight among sources available. I've carried on a discussion with two editors about this matter, and am taking this action despite the ongoing nature of those discussions, knowing that I will get intelligent and useful comment from them and others and that the information can be changed yet again if better evidence arises. For now, I believe that this edit I have made most accurately describes the location of Heston's birth, and with a new article in place describing No Man's Land, Illinois, any questions that arise from readers can quickly be answered by following the link. Monkeyzpop ( talk) 10:57, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
What, exactly, was the nature of the relationship between Heston and the Council of Conservative Citizens? There is a photograph of Heston (and George Allen) posing with COfCC leaders here: [4]. Stonemason89 ( talk) 19:37, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
Heston was born in Illinois, his family mocved to Michigan when he was three. They returned to Il when he was 12, so, he wasn't "raised" in Michigan, like the article, or--UGH!--Michael Moore, say. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.162.46.94 ( talk) 15:14, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
In the political activism section it says: 'He claimed to be "native American" to reclaim the term from exclusion to American Indians.'
I don't get it, maybe it is explained better in the citation given, but to me the above 'from exclusion to' bit makes no sense. Could someone who understands this please help clarify the matter. Thanks. 1812ahill ( talk) 22:24, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
In the first sentence of the article, it states: "Charlton Heston (born John Charles Carter; October 4, 1923 – April 5, 2008) was an African American actor of film, theatre and television." I don't think that's true. I don't generally do edits or know how it should be done, but I figured I should at least leave a note. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.218.47.124 ( talk) 16:59, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
There is no source for this that is reliable. I read "In the Arena" many years ago and remember the passage of him reading the sign, but do not remember him saying he supported Goldwater publicly. Heston would later say he began to turn against gun control when he supported Goldwater in 1964, but four years later, he went on the Joey Bishop show in support of gun control at the request of LBJ, according to the book "Guns in America" by George Lee Carter. He was asked by the California Democratic Party in 1969 to run for office (State Senate). It is unlikely that this would be offered to a public Goldwater supporter. Goldwater was against civil rights and the Voting rights Act of 1964 so Heston's story a generation later is highly suspect.
Are there any contemporary sources listing Heston as a Goldwaterite?
"Hollywood Left and Right:How Movie Stars Shaped American Politics" by Steven J. Ross says Heston endorsed LBJ, "rejoiced over his victory, and supported Pat Brown's Fair Housing initiative. In other words, he did not support Barry Goldwater.
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Yes, this articall is very biased against the man and all his people.. ---- — Preceding
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The source linked attributes the "reverse discrimination" line to conservatives in general, not Heston. Gaijin42 ( talk) 19:43, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
Note that File:Charlton Heston - Ben Hur.jpg was tagged for deletion. -- Light show ( talk) 22:51, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Charlton Heston's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Esquire":
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From the lede: "Heston's most famous role came as the five-term president of the National Rifle Association (1998–2003)"
Really?
I've read a lot o amazingly stupid things in Wikipedia, but this has to be in the top twenty. -- Yaush ( talk) 20:39, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
TOPIC REQUEST
Charlton Heston was honored with USPS postage stamp on Friday April 11, 2014, unveiled at a ceremony at the historic Chinese Theatre in Hollywood.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/charlton-heston-gets-a-postage-695505 Ammobox ( talk) 00:52, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
His death is listed as from pneumonia but he is categorized as death from prostate cancer and Alzheimer's. No evidence the cancer had returned but since Alzheimer's had him bed-ridden the infection caused the death I'll leave the Alzheimer's category [5]. Alatari ( talk) 23:48, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
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I corrected something in Charlton Heston's Wikipedia page. It started off by listing his name as Charlton Heston (Born John Charles Carter) and I changed it to John Charles Carter better known by his stage name Charlton Heston. His stage name was Charlton Heston, he didn't legally change his name. You reverted it saying "Read the article." I read the article, it says nothing about him legally changing his name to Charlton Heston, noting where his stage name came from, when referring to the name Charlton Heston. Just clarifying. Could you tell me why you reverted it, when it says in the article that it was a stage name and nothing is mentioned about him legally changing his name? NapoleonX ( talk) 07:08, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
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The photo on the front from 63 is during the equal cival rites march,yet in Bowling for Columbine,theres an indication that hes anti-multiculturalism.Im interested to know what this mans stance is on race.as ive also noted that he was a staunch Democrat and is now a Republican.
The article notes:
Any sources that can be cited? I have seen clips on him speaking on CNN and citing Martin Luther King. However, I have been unable to located written public sources.
Leon Spencer, Animis Opibusque Parati 05:09, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Heston seemed to take up the cause of the moment. We can all agree today that civil rights movement of the 60's was a very important social issue, but in the 60's many thought it was very controversial. I'm sure many people hated him for the support he gave the civil rights movement. Today many feel that those who support the second ammendment are being marginalized and even demonized. He liked to tilt at windmills? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fabio4 ( talk • contribs) 05:38, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
This picture is rather old. Can we find another that doesn't date from the sixties? -- Saforrest 00:53, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
I sent a request to Ken Kwok. Ken has taken photos of Heston:
http://www.hollywood.com/photo_gallery/Charlton_Heston/2400531
www.weedhype.com — Preceding
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Leon Spencer, Animis Opibusque Parati 05:16, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
For the love of God, Heston was born in 1923. I have all his books, I think he knows the right date........
"every other source I find on the internet says 1924" ... the Internet is VERY OFTEN WRONG. I cannot believe someone would be so dumb as to cite "the internet" as a source, when there are so many factual documents accessible these days! Anyone with access to census records can plainly see he was born in 23. His family moved in '30 and he's listed TWICE in the April Census, both putting his age as born 1923.
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Well, but now the article is wrong either way. It is said, that he was born in October 1924, proofed by the reference to the article "MSNBC. Charlson Heston dead at 84.". But if he died in April 2008 with an age of 84, he must have been born in 1923 indeed. (Presumption: October 1923 born, October 1924 one year, October 1925 two, October 1926 three, October 1927 four, October 1928 five, ..., October 2008 eighty-five - so in April 2008 still eighty-four, as MSNBC said) -- 84.59.199.105 ( talk) 07:50, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
It seems the date of his birth (and the various reporting on it) are themselves are matter of note now. The article should explain the contradictory info and that newspapers have reported both ages rather than just report the 1924 birthdate as gospel. Zkzkz ( talk) 09:58, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
I work at a newspaper and we have access to voter ID records; Heston's ID record lists his birth year as 1924. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.130.191.86 ( talk) 19:53, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY just copy out the (already stupid) trivia section on the IMDB and paste it here? It serves no purpose and is almost certainly a copyright violation. If no-one can advise me otherwise in the next few days I will delete the whole section wholesale. Badgerpatrol 01:04, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Yes, it's a copyvio, so no keep. Tawker 00:51, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
- Prior to starring in The Omega Man, a remake of Vincent Price's film The Last Man On Earth, Heston and Price appeared together in Cecil B. Demille's The Ten Commandments. - His wife calls him Charlie, but everyone else calls him Chuck. - While they were starring in a play together in 1960, Laurence Olivier told Heston that he had the potential to become the greatest American actor of the century. Although the play received unfavorable notices, Olivier told Heston that he must to learn to forget good notices in order to do better next time. - *His favorite food is Loushka; a Hungarian dish made with noodles, spinach, and chicken broth. - Was nicknamed "Cheston," on his appearance on "Space Ghost: Coast to Coast" (Episode 3.20, "Dam")
Ahem. If this material originated on wikipedia, then it was contributed by a very poor editor (or, more likely, a very inexperienced one). In any case, these bullet points are a) not continuous text; and b) not verified ('Any unsourced material may be challenged and removed.'). I do not feel that it is a valuable contribution to the article. Equally, I do not feel myself to be knowledgable enough re this subject to separate the wheat from the chaff. I gave prior notice of my intention to delete this section, and received only one assent and no dissenters. If you however feel that reverting to the previous version improves the article (I do not, and I believe that my opinion (re these trivia sections) is shared by other wikipedians, although I accept fully that there are no hard-and-fast rules), or that you have the specialist knowledge to pick out and properly reference the material worth preserving, then please do so! Cheers, Badgerpatrol 21:48, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
The Olivier item has been corrected on the imdb. What Olivier was basically saying to Heston was that in order to improve as an actor it is essential to forget good reviews, and instead look at the bad notices to understand how one can do better next time.
There seems to be a dispute over the year of birth. Does anyone have a hardcopy of one of his memoirs? - Will Beback 21:39, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I have an original copy of "In the Arena", first published in 1995. Heston writes, "In 1933, when I was ten ..."
In his book, "The Actor's Life", he mentions turning 35 while shooting "Ben-Hur" in Rome, October, 1958.
That means he was born in 1923!! 58 minus 35 is 23!!! This is from his own journals. He was born in 1923...NO DOUBT. I met him in April 1998 here in OKC.~~MikeR~~
Heston himself said he was born in 1923, I think he knows better than any Internet sources. He was 28 when he made "The Greatest Show On Earth", DeMille probably thought it was better to say he was 27.
Well, but now the article is wrong either way. It is said, that he was born in October 1924, proofed by the reference to the article "MSNBC. Charlson Heston dead at 84.". But if he died in April 2008 with an age of 84, he must have been born in 1923 indeed. (Presumption: October 1923 born, October 1924 one year, October 1925 two, October 1926 three, October 1927 four, October 1928 five, ..., October 2008 eighty-five - so in April 2008 still eighty-four, as MSNBC said) -- 84.59.199.105 ( talk) 10:02, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
The Birth Certificate of Heston was obtained and was published in ASTRODATABANK program: 4 Oct 1923 7.55 am Evanston. You can write to Pat Taglilatelo, director of www.astrodatabank.com and ask for a copy of the BC. User: Isaac Starkman 6 Apr 2008 15.40 UT
Nothing to add here, but I did just read through the article's "Politics" section and want to congratulate the contributors for creating one of the most objective, non-biased articles I have read on Wiki. The man had a long, interesting career that's difficult to summarize in short soundbites, and this section was not only informative, it didn't try to persuade readers to see the man in any specific light. Good job, you guys! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ladam11 ( talk • contribs) 22:00, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
Was Heston actually against Nixon and Vietnam as the article says, because according to the Internet Movie Database he attended Richard Nixon's victory celebration in 1972 along with John Wayne, Clint Eastwood and Glenn Ford.
Actor George Clooney was quoted as saying that Heston deserved Alzheimer's …
This is not supported by the link which is provided, which only quotes Clooney as saying that Heston deserved whatever was said about him. Corrected. Aretnap 19:12, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't something be said about his announcement that he has Alzheimer's Disease? Looking over the talk pages, I realize there was some controversy about that a while back, but shouldn't there at least be a sentence in the article mentioning it? Gershwinrb 06:37, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
This is more of a question. Back in the mid 70's I often received mail from an organization calling itself ZPG (Zero Population Growth) whose concern was that world population was in a headlong plunge toward overwhelming our resouces. If my memory is correct, Charlton Heston was the spokesman for the organization then. Am I correct? Al Gore in his Inconvenient (or Unwelcome)Truth, has sounded the same alarm... which of course would be a very different (and welcome)alliance between the two.
How about moving the quotes to wikiquote ( http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Charlton_Heston) an deleting them here, and then concentrate on Heston and not what he might have said?
Here it says St. Helen, Michigan, but imdb.com says Evanston, Illinois. Which is it? Fistful of Questions 04:53, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Did Charlton Heston star in a Movie about an aging Quarterback? Was it called "The Pro"?
David McClellan
It was called "Number One" (1969). Sensei48 ( talk) 11:10, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
Back in the 70's I received a lot of mail from an organization calling itself ZPG (Zero Population Growth) whose concern was that world population was rapidly exceeding our resources and needed to be volutarily reigned in as a prefered solution to famine, pestilence, & war. If I remember right, Charlton Heston was the spokesman for the organization and the mail was from him. Am I correct? 4.242.150.44 17:48, 21 March 2007 (UTC) Al (ALTRKR@earthlink.net)
Charlton is his mother's maiden name...
It is stated at the beginning that he was born John Charles Carter and then got the surname Heston when his mother remarried, but how and when exactly did he became Charlton? I can see no answer to that question in the article. KMA "HF" N 18:24, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
The 1930 U.S. Census shows the Carter family living in Richfield Township, Roscommon County, Michigan. The family is Russell W. (32), Lilla C. (30), Charlton J. (6), and Lilla A. (2 1/2). The census taker recorded the names as they were given by the mother or father, so the family used the name "Charlton" before his parents were divorced. The census also shows that Charlton was born in Illinois and his younger sister was born in Michigan. Both parents were born in Illinois. Chester L. Heston (27), a native of Ohio, is also listed in the 1930 census living as a "Roomer" in the same township and county in Michigan, which only requires 6 pages of the census. Pamarcot52 ( talk) 17:27, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
In the article it states that Heston held up a Sharps rifle. According to the NRA it was a hand made Pennsylvania rifle made by Master rifle maker Cecil Brooks. Here is a link to an NRA article about the rifle maker and the famous Heston quote. http://www.nrapublications.org/TAR/CecilBrooks.asp Wallyyoung 02:54, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Something minor, but I figured I'd mention it. Midnight Oil's song 'Shipyards of New Zealand' from Red Sails in the Sunset, Charlton Heston is mentioned: Now danger lurks behind the spreader / And Charlton Heston casts the first stone / User interference birthmarks / Clever, not very wise -- 81.165.171.208 18:40, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
There is no such word as "alright." The phrase is spelled "all right." Elementary school grammar.
Also, please, in second references to people, unless there are two or more people with the same last name in the article, the name used should be the last name. Hence, "Gore Vidal" becomes "Vidal," not "Gore." -- 208.106.59.58 ( talk) 18:42, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Umm.... there is a word "alright". I think you mean "alot" and "a lot". Alright means "okay", as in "I'm alright." –The Obento Musubi ( Contributions) 05:42, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, well they need to make it a proper word already... Alright looks like a word in it's own right that has come from all and right and means "okay" or signifies agreement, wheras "all right" looks stupid (in my opinion) and holds onto the old meaning of "all is well". 98.18.28.16 ( talk) 20:12, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Until I read this section, I firmly believed that "alright" was grammatically proper. However, rather than cling uncritically to my preconceptions, I--wonder of wonders--actually looked it up. And I was wrong. This is what www.dictionary.com has to say about the matter:
In an enclycopedic article, we should probably opt for more rather than less formality. Cosmic Latte ( talk) 00:01, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
In the course of collecting mostly literary material on the North East of England, I have accumulated on the way the following scraps:
CHARLTON HESTON (1924 - 2008)
The star of Ben Hur, El Cid and many other Hollywood epics was born John Charlton Carter (the Heston comes from a step-father). His grandfather was a miner in the Newcastle area working from the age of nine 1890-95 before emigrating to the USA. Heston’s wife Lydia also has North East antecedents, in the Alnwick area. Her maiden name was Clarke.
It appears that Heston stayed in Jesmond (Newcastle)in the 1970s while researching his family history, and shopped in Acorn Road. He showed some facility in using the local speech, it seems. He was guest of honour at the official re-opening of the Theatre Royal, Newcastle in 1988.
If someone has references for any of this, it might be suitable for insertion in the article. I may well have come across information in the Newcastle Evening Chronicle, and will see if I can get some chapter and verse. Charlton, by the way, is a common name in the North East. The Charltons were one of the great Border families.
Bandalore ( talk) 06:32, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
The passage that refers to Heston's statement that was a civil rights activist before it was fashionable has a citation tag on it. I did not write that passage, or place the tag, but I distinctly remember reading a series of excerpted quotes from a book he wrote several years ago in which he said this. I don't recall the name of the book, but the one book by him at Amazon.com is To Be a Man, which is from 2000, which sounds about right to me. Someone who has a copy or could buy or borrow one should be able to use it to source that statement. Nightscream ( talk) 10:22, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Could you please add that film to Charlton Heston's filmography? I see it is not listed even though it is a separate article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Man_for_All_Seasons_%281988_film%29 Regards, Shelest —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.210.132.91 ( talk) 10:46, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
CHARLTON HESTON DID NOT CONSIDER HIMSELF FROM ILLINOIS - HE CONSIDERED HIMSELF FROM MICHIGAN WHERE HE SPENT MOST OF HIS TIME GROWING UP. HIS FAMILY OWNED LARGE SECTIONS OF LAND IN CENTRAL MICHIGAN (LOWER PENINSULA) AND HE CALLED HIMSELF "A BOY FROM MICHIGAN." THE WIKI ARTICLE DOES NOT EVEN SPEAK OF MICHIGAN! POOR JOB, WIKI! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.61.196.89 ( talk) 13:14, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
None of these seem really like meaningful parts of his overall biography... so I'm copying them here in case someone wants to streamline this into a coherent prose section. -- Rividian ( talk) 13:41, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
In the 2001 remake of Planet Of The Apes, Heston had a cameo as General Thade's father, Zaius, ending his only scene with the same line he ended the original movie with "Damn them! Damn them all to hell!"
In the video game " Postal²", there are many allusions to Heston, such as a difficulty level called "Hestonworld" and the "Postal Dude" considering him as "his President".
Spotswoode's voice in the film Team America: World Police is an homage to Heston. The Switchfoot song, Might Have Ben Hur is dedicated to Charlton Heston.
On the sketch comedy show MADtv, Heston was parodied by then-cast member Pat Kilbane.
Heston was parodied by the animated show The Angry Beavers on multiple occasions. The line "Get your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty apes!" (from Planet of the Apes) was spoken by the show's lead characters Daggett and Norbert in several episodes, and in one episode the two quoted a passage of dialogue from Ben-Hur (1959).
Anglo-Irish band Stump released a single entitled Charlton Heston about his film The Ten Commandments. The song contains the short chorus "They'd always ask us to describe, How Charlton Heston put his vest on" amidst humorous descriptions of scenes from the film. Lyrics to Charlton Heston by Stump
Boston hardcore punk band Slapshot has a song called "Shoot Charlton Heston". It has appeared, amongst others, on their greatest hits album.
Boston ska band Big D And The Kids Table has the lyrics "Let Charlton Heston have his gun, let somebody shoot him just for fun". It appeared on their album Strictly Rude in the song Hell On Earth.
Heston was mentioned in the song "The Idiots Are Taking Over" by the punk rock band NoFX, in the line "And I'm starting to feel a lot like Charlton Heston, stranded on a primate planet."
Heston is referenced in the song "My Favorite Mutiny" by hip-hop group The Coup on their album Pick a Bigger Weapon, and in "In the Music" by The Roots from their album Game Theory (album).
Oklahoma City sports radio station WWLS (AM) "The Sports Animal" features a segment with a man claiming to be Charlton Heston. The segment, which airs during the morning of football games, is called "Charleton Heston's Football Firing Line" and includes Heston giving his top choices for point spread victories. The segment plays on the fact that Heston is a member of the NRA and uses terms like "shotgun blast of the week game".
I removed this claim: "Heston planned to campaign for Lyndon Johnson, but when filming on Major Dundee went over schedule, did not." Someone can re-add it if they can find a citation... I couldn't. -- Rividian ( talk) 13:48, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
I also removed this for the same reason: "Heston saw McCarthyism and racial segregation as helping the cause of Communism worldwide, and opposed both." -- Rividian ( talk) 13:51, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
I can't edit this, but Heston was born in 1923 and died at 84 not 83.( 76.178.68.210 ( talk) 15:12, 6 April 2008 (UTC))
As a frequent and cited reliable editor of IMDB, if that counts for anything, I can assure you that at the time of Mr. Heston's death the matter of correcting his birthday was under revue by the site administrators. It's too bad the bureaucracy of the site kept the info from getting changed before every freaking news source, including TCM, used the erroneous 1924 date. FYI, the official statement from his FAMILY said 84 death. UnderPressure ( talk) 06:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
There was no reason to split the filmography into its own article. It is 113 films - not more, no less. It's no so long it can't be in this article, it won't get any longer. Please restore, it is better to have a list of films here than force the user to click through to a new page. 96.231.161.184 ( talk) 22:51, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
IMO it's too short to be a separate article, and not too long to be part of the article. Splitting has its downsides, it forces users to click through when they are looking for really basic info - at the very least the main article should contain a list of his major films. Look at the sub-section Notable Works by Charles Dickens for example how that is done. It also looks silly to have an empty section with only a "Main article" link. 96.231.161.184 ( talk) 00:21, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
The example from Dickens is pretty clear. It helps users see at a glance the major works in chronological order without reading the entire article, and it fills out the section - otherwise there is no need for a section, except as a placeholder for a main article link it's dumb, it would never pass FA. Yes the major films are discussed in the article, likewise they should be collected in list format in chronological order, not as prose. 96.231.161.184 ( talk) 04:38, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Today the reports of his death indicated that he spent his youth here. There seems to be corroboration on the web. Anybody have an opinion on that? 7&6=thirteen ( talk) 18:12, 7 April 2008 (UTC)Stan
I undid edits to the intro that claimed he "also" supported conservative politics rather than that he "later" supported them; I restored the "later." The justification for the original removal of "later" was "The statement later advocated implies that his views changed. His civil rights views did not clash with his conservative views." His views did, in fact, change. He switched from Democrat to Republican, as the article already says. A one-time civil rights advocate who later defends "the God fearing, law-abiding, Caucasian, middle- class Protestant...evangelical Christian...rural...admitted heterosexual...gun-owning...NRA-card-carrying, average...male working stiff" has changed indeed. As has a one-time supporter of the Gun Control Act of 1968 who later becomes president of the NRA. Cosmic Latte ( talk) 18:25, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
User:Monkeyzpop's recent change is fine in that it doesn't contrast support for civil rights with conservatism. It probably needs a citation for the claim that he was initially a liberal Democrat. -- Elliskev 19:14, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
By the way, the civil rights movement was a discrete event in American history. The article never made the vague and sweeping claim that Heston "supported civil rights." Most people support some notion of "civil rights" for someone. The claim that Heston supported the civil rights movement, which occurred in the past, and then, later supported conservative politics is absolutely accurate. Cosmic Latte ( talk) 19:55, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Just a correction of a factual error in your narrative of Heston's filmography: Charlton Heston played Sherlock Holmes in the "Crucifer of Blood", but was accompanied by Richard Johnson as Dr. Watson, not Jeremy Brett (who did indeed go on to star as Holmes himself). Richard Johnson also co-starred with Heston in "Treasure Island", playing Squire Trelawney to Heston's Long John Silver; a young Christian Bale also co-starred in "Treasure Island" as Jim Hawkins, as did Julian Glover, Oliver Reed, and Christopher Lee, among others. Clive Wood and Steven Mackintosh also played in both films.
They are both very fun movies, and I was particularly impressed with Heston's physical endurance in Treasure Island, being about 70 during filming, and very realistically doing the peg-leg routine with his real leg folded up and cinched to his rear, and him climbing, rope-crawling, and running around on that---even pushing himself up onto his crutch with one hand in the negotiating scene at the blockhouse. I hope I'm in that good of physical shape in 30 more years!
I also though I read in one of Heston's bio's that he did, in fact, injure his hip or leg in filming one of his westerns---maybe by his horse landing on it wrong. I can't recall now, maybe it was one filmed in the 1960's, but I thought I heard him refer to it in a much later interview that explained why he finally had to have that hip replaced. We moved a few months ago and all my books are in storage right now. Someone should check it out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.194.48.212 ( talk) 21:00, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Monkeyzpop ( talk) 08:12, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Mr. Heston described himself as a "peanut butter addict" in a filmed interview, circa 1980-1985 time period. It was shown on TV and was filmed in his home. I wish I could provide more than that, but am mentioning it here to see if anyone els knows more about this. I distinctly remember it because I have been using that quote for probably 25 years---I also am a "peanut butter addict".
(I'm sorry my comments are rather amateurish at this point---I've never done this before---I even forgot to sign my username on my previous comment about Heston's co-star being Richard Johnson and not Jeremy Brett.)
Mluklu7 ( talk) 21:37, 7 April 2008 (UTC)mluklu7
The cute 1955 comedy "The Private War of Major Benson", starring Charlton Heston, was the early version of the 1995 comedy "Major Payne" starring Damon Wayans. The main tribute to the earlier movie is seen in Major Payne's full name (which is annunciated clearly) "Major Benson Winifred Payne", and other similarities are seen in things like the basic junior R.O.T.C. plotline, the love interest, and the small boy character who is nicknamed "Tiger".
The Heston film is significant as one of his few purely comedic roles (even though Major Benson is almost the straight-man), and that it shows Heston in a rather ordinary-man situation, with fatherly overtones, rather than the usual epic character.
The Wayans film is much more profanity-laced, but the title character is more reminiscent of a modern drill sergeant or Marine Corps drill instructor. The outrageous statements and mannerisms are hilarious to anyone who has been through basic training, and their ridiculous fictional application to a group of youngsters is incidental.
While both films are very enjoyable, neither may be considered spectacular, but both serve to touch on a couple of age-old cultural themes: boys playing army, and a professional finding himself back to "square one", as it were.
Mluklu7 ( talk) 22:05, 7 April 2008 (UTC)mluklu7
Can someone add that the unnamed film he protested in 1961 in Oklahoma City was "El Cid." There is a Wiki entry under El Cid (film) that it can be linked to. I don't have an account and I'm not getting one. The page got protected literally five minutes before I could add the information. Also, contrary to some allegedly reputable sources it was NOT the " world premiere" of the film, that occurred in London. It was the premiere of the film in _Oklahoma City_.
12.205.149.45 ( talk) 02:14, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Regarding the Michael Moore interview with Charlton Heston, this particular portion of Moore's "documentary" is heavily edited and even outright falsified for obvious reasons.
The 1999 NRA Meeting in Denver was originally scheduled to occur two weeks after massacre at Columbine High School. As a result of the shootings at the school, the NRA, at significant financial loss, cancelled all event except for the Annual Meeting of Members, which was held only due to legal requirements of the New York Non-Profit Laws under which the NRA is chartered. This meeting was held, and all speeches made were very low-key, and certainly not inflammatory.
Moore's claim that Heston held the Kentucky Rifle over head and said "From my cold, dead hands" at the Denver meeting is a falsehood. The video in the movie that is alleged to show this incident was actually taken in Kansas City the following year. This falsehood was perpetrated by Moore to cast the NRA in an unfavorable light, insinuating that they had held their convention miles away from the massacre, a mere two weeks later.
The fact is that the huge exhibit hall, awards banquets, fundraisers, and all other events were cancelled by the NRA, voluntarily, because they perceived it to the right thing to do. Their financial loss was in the millions of dollars for this decision. The only meeting held in Denver was required by law, and simply could not be cancelled without risking a forfeiture of the NRA's corporate charter by the state of New York. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.215.108.98 ( talk) 16:02, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Is that really appropriate for an encyclopedia article? And if yes, shouldn't we add how Britney Spears and the Dalai Lama commented that exchange?
-- Austrian ( talk) 23:37, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. The tone or style of which it was presented isn’t standard.-- DavidD4scnrt ( talk) 05:33, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Does this really belong? This article is a summary. This is very detailed and seems more appropriate for the Ben Hur movie page.
GordonUS ( talk) 20:27, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
The current source ( http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080406/ap_on_en_mo/obit_heston) for the cop killer incident doesn't in any way mention it. A correct source is http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CEFD6113AF934A25754C0A964958260. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.137.74 ( talk) 05:51, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
There is an error in this section mixing up the films The Omega Man and Soylent Green. The Omega Man was released in 1971; Soylent Green in 1973. Abogmeister ( talk) 08:18, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
I made the change, switching the 2 films, The Omega Man and Soylent Green to their correct mentions and years in film history. Abogmeister ( talk) 01:39, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
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I have removed the notation under "Awards" in the Infobox to the Golden Raspberry Awards. Mr. Hall of England had just added the Jean Hersholt Humanitarian Award that Heston received to the SAG, Golden Globe, and Academy Awards already listed - and that further magnified the utterly inappropriate nature of including the GR at that point in the article.
The Golden Raspberry is not an award of the same type or caliber as the others listed, and self-evidently and by its own self-definition is not an award at all. Its presence in the Infobox as an "award" demeans not only those other legitimate awards but also in its puerile and sophomoric nature the integrity of Wikipedia as a legitimate source of information.
If anyone of an irredeemably adolescent frame of mind feels that this information is somehow important in the understanding of Heston's life and notability, then it could probably be added as a text reference in the "Hollywood" section as a note about the actor's later career.
FWIW, I have no especial regard for Heston's work beyond what he clearly did well, and I despise every detail of his politics. But I hate worse POV and ax-grinding posing as information worth noting. Sensei48 ( talk) 03:13, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
What is this Who-What-When rule that requires dates be at the end of a sentence? I can't find it in the WP manual of style, nor can I find it in any online style manual or even by Googling. Is this really a supportable rule? I ask because its rigid use seems to make every sentence come out quite formulaic and, hence, dully. I'm glad to abide by it if it's a real rule, but it sounds far too inflexible and monotonous a form to make for interesting reading. Reading the newly edited Heston article reminds me now of middle-school book reports in which it's clear the writer had no idea he was allowed to be colorful, individualistic, or varied in the music of his words. Remember what was said about "a foolish consistency".... Monkeyzpop ( talk) 05:44, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Sometimes its not good to put the dates at the end of sentences and I don't do it for every date but it is what I learned in grammar school. IP4240207xx made an excellent explanation. When we put dates at the beginning of sentences it has some problems such as:
1- It has no meaning. Its just a date. Putting the date at of the end of the sentence succeeds what happens. I started putting the dates at the end because whenever I'd read wiki articles I'd ALWAYS say "Wait, what? When did this happen?" and have to go to the beginning of the sentence to verify. I found myself not remembering dates.
2- It creates an unnecessary stop. Most reader's do not have time and a lot of unnecessary stops adds up and disrupts flow. People tend to skim over the article and when we create unnecessary pauses it prohibits the reader from doing skimming and more often than not they stop reading. I generally can never read a full wikipedia article because of all unnecessary words and pauses.
As for the 1950 to 1960s change in the header, I agree it was probably better before but I didn't really pay attention because I was changing the majority of the dates and just did it in habit. You can change that part back.
Btw, the rule comes from the phrase "Who? What? When? Where? Why?" Think about it. When someone explains an event to you do they tell you "On January 31, Bob was punched in the face." Normally, they say "Bob was punched in the face" and we respond by asking "when, where why" Bob being punched in the face is the action/topic of the sentence and grabs the reader's attention. Btw dates are boring. I have no idea where you got the idea that starting a sentence off with dates makes the article less boring and easier to read.
GordonUS ( talk) 22:54, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
GordonUS ( talk) 20:51, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Also, when we put the date at the start of sentences with a comma, we force the reader to read the date whereas if we put it at the end of the sentence without a comma, the reader knows its a date and if it has no significance to them they can easily skim over it.
GordonUS ( talk) 21:39, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
I can't substantiate the claim, and it's probably too trivial to mention in the main article anyway, but Heston has portrayed characters spanning a very wide range of dates, from 1391 BC ( Moses) to 3978 AD ( Taylor). This may be some kind of record for a single actor. | Loadmaster ( talk) 21:59, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
What is No Man's Land, Evanston, Illinois supposed to mean? 173.20.4.42 ( talk) 07:13, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
I've changed the birthplace back to No Man's Land, Illinois after doing further citation-hunting and after creating an article for the specific locale. Since Heston, in his cited autobiography, is extremely clear about having been born in No Man's Land rather than Evanston, and since it is equally clear (from other material cited in the new article) that No Man's Land was incorporated into Wilmette, Illinois in 1942, and since it is not at all clear that the specific location of Heston's birth is or ever was in Evanston, it seems to me that Heston's own statements should carry the most weight among sources available. I've carried on a discussion with two editors about this matter, and am taking this action despite the ongoing nature of those discussions, knowing that I will get intelligent and useful comment from them and others and that the information can be changed yet again if better evidence arises. For now, I believe that this edit I have made most accurately describes the location of Heston's birth, and with a new article in place describing No Man's Land, Illinois, any questions that arise from readers can quickly be answered by following the link. Monkeyzpop ( talk) 10:57, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
What, exactly, was the nature of the relationship between Heston and the Council of Conservative Citizens? There is a photograph of Heston (and George Allen) posing with COfCC leaders here: [4]. Stonemason89 ( talk) 19:37, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
Heston was born in Illinois, his family mocved to Michigan when he was three. They returned to Il when he was 12, so, he wasn't "raised" in Michigan, like the article, or--UGH!--Michael Moore, say. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.162.46.94 ( talk) 15:14, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
In the political activism section it says: 'He claimed to be "native American" to reclaim the term from exclusion to American Indians.'
I don't get it, maybe it is explained better in the citation given, but to me the above 'from exclusion to' bit makes no sense. Could someone who understands this please help clarify the matter. Thanks. 1812ahill ( talk) 22:24, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
In the first sentence of the article, it states: "Charlton Heston (born John Charles Carter; October 4, 1923 – April 5, 2008) was an African American actor of film, theatre and television." I don't think that's true. I don't generally do edits or know how it should be done, but I figured I should at least leave a note. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.218.47.124 ( talk) 16:59, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
There is no source for this that is reliable. I read "In the Arena" many years ago and remember the passage of him reading the sign, but do not remember him saying he supported Goldwater publicly. Heston would later say he began to turn against gun control when he supported Goldwater in 1964, but four years later, he went on the Joey Bishop show in support of gun control at the request of LBJ, according to the book "Guns in America" by George Lee Carter. He was asked by the California Democratic Party in 1969 to run for office (State Senate). It is unlikely that this would be offered to a public Goldwater supporter. Goldwater was against civil rights and the Voting rights Act of 1964 so Heston's story a generation later is highly suspect.
Are there any contemporary sources listing Heston as a Goldwaterite?
"Hollywood Left and Right:How Movie Stars Shaped American Politics" by Steven J. Ross says Heston endorsed LBJ, "rejoiced over his victory, and supported Pat Brown's Fair Housing initiative. In other words, he did not support Barry Goldwater.
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The source linked attributes the "reverse discrimination" line to conservatives in general, not Heston. Gaijin42 ( talk) 19:43, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
Note that File:Charlton Heston - Ben Hur.jpg was tagged for deletion. -- Light show ( talk) 22:51, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
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From the lede: "Heston's most famous role came as the five-term president of the National Rifle Association (1998–2003)"
Really?
I've read a lot o amazingly stupid things in Wikipedia, but this has to be in the top twenty. -- Yaush ( talk) 20:39, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
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Charlton Heston was honored with USPS postage stamp on Friday April 11, 2014, unveiled at a ceremony at the historic Chinese Theatre in Hollywood.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/charlton-heston-gets-a-postage-695505 Ammobox ( talk) 00:52, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
His death is listed as from pneumonia but he is categorized as death from prostate cancer and Alzheimer's. No evidence the cancer had returned but since Alzheimer's had him bed-ridden the infection caused the death I'll leave the Alzheimer's category [5]. Alatari ( talk) 23:48, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
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I corrected something in Charlton Heston's Wikipedia page. It started off by listing his name as Charlton Heston (Born John Charles Carter) and I changed it to John Charles Carter better known by his stage name Charlton Heston. His stage name was Charlton Heston, he didn't legally change his name. You reverted it saying "Read the article." I read the article, it says nothing about him legally changing his name to Charlton Heston, noting where his stage name came from, when referring to the name Charlton Heston. Just clarifying. Could you tell me why you reverted it, when it says in the article that it was a stage name and nothing is mentioned about him legally changing his name? NapoleonX ( talk) 07:08, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
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