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The amount of information coming for the 360 version of Catan was becoming unweildly, so it made sense to give it its own article: Catan. JAF1970 20:20, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
There should be a strat section. Other game entries have them. JAF1970 19:46, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
We need a section for after-market addons like the YuCatan Custom Board like the one now available commercially. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Todobemcara ( talk • contribs) 21:15, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Someone has deleted references to the online jsettlers game and the open source Sea3D. These are valid links, and should not be deleted.-- Bcnstony 07:36, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
I strongly disagree with the deletion of non-licensed versions, and plan to re-add them after some additional time for discussion. Deleting them is rather POV.--
SarekOfVulcan 03:03, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
How about this as a compromise: Under video games, we add "There are also a number of unlicensed third-party computer implementations of Settlers of Catan" and link to a freshmeat search for Catan as the reference. That way the article is on-topic, and the link is non-promotional; but Pioneers gets a link and so will Sea3d if they add themselves to FM? Possibly a different software directory would be a better choice. Percy Snoodle 08:52, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Leaving out mention of Java Settlers of Cattan is pretty biased, imo. At one point there were close to a hundred servers running that could easily be found with a Google search. From my experiance it was typical to see 10-20 people or more on these servers. That means there were at least thousands of people playing jsettlers. Why leave out mention of that? Part of the history of this game is that there are unoffical versions of the video game, and that lots of people did play them, and that it's quite likely that these unofficial games played a part in popularizing the game on-line. Leaving out mention of this because the current copyright owners don't like it is like talking about a Ronald Reagan but leaving out mention the Iran-Contra Affair because it upsets Regan's family. This article is supposed to be complete not a promotion for the people currently selling the game. I can't even understand why someone would want to avoid mentioning jsettlers... unless they work for Microsoft and they are going arround cleaning up wikipedia entries. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.124.240.82 ( talk) 09:56, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
There is a lot of discussion on this page about links to various implementations of computer versions of Settlers of Catan. It seems to me that a couple of people keep editing out the external links and calling them spam. The links are to public servers that make no profit and if someone is interested in this game then playing on one of these server is a useful way to learn more about the game. I see how adding the links will benefit people and I see no way that adding the links detracts from the article. In fact it is my opinion that leaving the links out is quite POV and I would not be surprised to learn that the people removing them have some ulterior motive for doing so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Quelt42 ( talk • contribs) 04:57, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
No, I think you misunderstand the point of Wikipedia. The goal is to make information available to people, not censor it for no good reason. If you scroll up you'll see that there are 4 or 5 people who want the links added and just the two of you who insist on removing them. IMO, the majority consensus says leave them in. Go look around at other topics. There are many external links to relevant services outside Wikipedia. These links are clearly labeled as external and do not hurt anyone, in fact they add benefit for most people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Quelt42 ( talk • contribs) 11:01, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
I looked in the history. One of you two took out even mentioning that people ran free servers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Quelt42 ( talk • contribs) 20:40, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
A similar question has arisen regarding unofficial implementations of Carcassonne (board game); hopefully the above conversation will answer Zacchiro questions. Percy Snoodle 16:06, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
I first learned about Settlers of Catan on this very wikipedia Article, and the link to the Java Settlers was very useful to me. It taught me how to play, and was one of the main reasons I ended up buying the board game. Just reading about a game is not enough. To have a resource to be able to play it, and the different styles and variants that exist are very useful. Case in point? Tetris. Look at the Wikipedia Tetris article. They have a whole section on variations. They are included because they are important to both the history of the game, and to the different styles and forms. You can see something similar in just about any game you search for. So the arguments that the references to other versions don't apply here or are Spam really doesn't add up. If the links had nothing to do with the topic, then it would be spam, but just because the Open-Source Programs has some different rules or a different name, doesn't make it any less useful as a reference... I was shocked to find today that the links were removed, and I consider it rather pitiful that whoever did it went so far as to delete this from even the history. The purpose of a Wikipedia History is to preserve the integrity of the information, so if changes are made that isn't quite right, those changes can be reverted. I only just found out today about the existence of an Open Source seafarer's game. Had I known about that, I might have tried it and then bought that game too. So having that link removed before I had a chance to read the article really hurt my ability to review all information available to the game, and I am personally offended that people actually go around omitting the facts like that in an Encyclopedia... I motion to restore anything that had even the history erased, if only to establish that at one time it existed. Then if the community as a whole decides not to keep it, at least we have the history. Or maybe a decent compromise would be to set up a new Settlers of Catan Page, called "Variations of Settlers of Catan" where all the external links and extra versions can be written. And a link to that page can be placed on this one. That way it would be specifically about the variations and so everyone can be happy. The people who like to delete history can have their incomplete article, and the people who want to have all the information has a page for all the information. -- Elliandr 20:07, March 26th 2008 (CST)
WP:NFT really doesn't apply at all to the open source games. They are pretty obviously clones of Settlers with a different name solely so they don't get sued. For all practical purposes the only thing the addition of a link to Java Settlers does is give people an easy way to see exactly what game the article is referring to by playing it themselves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.104.229.66 ( talk) 18:21, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
We have played and tested a derived set of rules allowing 2 people to play, and still keep all the game elements as per the original version.
We have tested this over 10 games, and believe we have ironed out the rules changes needed.
I believe this would be an interesting topic to add to this page, but have no idea how to add or edit.
How is this done please ?
David Edmonds dhe@axgb.com
I was thinking that it would be a good idea to create a new article titled Settlers of Catan (series) and make this article just about the original game. I'd be glad to do it if people support the idea. - Chunky Rice 16:55, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Seems to be a lack of citations on this article, in particular I cannot find confirmation of the Nintendo DS version being announced for 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.73.195.140 ( talk) 00:49, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
The fourth English edition has renamed the expansions to "Catan: Seafarers" and "Catan: Cities & Knights" (which are closer to the style of the German, I believe). The logo has "Catan" in large type, then below it separated by a rule, "Seafarers" in smaller type. All other references on the box and manuals use the style "Catan: Seafarers" with a colon. I suggest the relevant articles and other references be changed to "Catan: Seafarers" or just "Seafarers" as appropriate. -- KJBracey ( talk) 12:44, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
I expanded the info on this game. In particular, I made it clear that the game isn't available for sale any longer and that the reason for this is that Microsoft withholds it, only offering the version that requires MSN.
At the same time I moved the images around a bit so the header "Video Games" got left justified (and not squeezed between two images reducing readability). I used bold to separate the three main sections of the video game section, feel free to reformat if there's an established Wiki way to do this.
I am aware the list of settlers games reproduces some info on each game, including this one. But I haven't changed that page - better then to await Catan: the computer game getting its own page and then moving all info there instead.
Cheers, CapnZapp ( talk) 15:43, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Here's a reference for the "now available at other online services" bit: http://boardgames.about.com/b/2005/02/04/catan-online-in-more-places.htm CapnZapp ( talk) 15:44, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Checking with WikiScanner, it was learned that Microsoft Corporation was the one who put the information about the Microsoft Catan Products up to begin with and has made more than 150 edits on Wikipedia. There were also a number of electronic and computer companies who likewise have been involved. Using Wikipedia to push an agenda and to remove content that could compete with that agenda is against the rules.
The only people who are participating in the deletion of content are not users, but companies. For example, the most recent change in deleting content was made by "Performance Systems International Inc (Brookline, Massachusetts)" and other companies, such as "Beethoven Pc Support Services (Melbourne, Victoria)" (aka Percy Snoodle)
While yes, it is possible that in some cases, someone within a company acted on his or her own using a company computer as an individual, for a Microsoft Computer to focus on it's products, and for only computer related companies to focus on the deletion of information about any Non Microsoft Computer product is suspicious to say the least.
People need to know this is going on.
http://wikiscanner.virgil.gr/f.php?pagetitle=settlers+of+catan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.188.25.28 ( talk) 18:36, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Dear Virgil Wikiscanner,
1) Accusations with no references and no hard evidence are not helping.
2) Please create an account, we can then discuss your wikiscanning in a central place: your talk page.
CapnZapp ( talk) 21:22, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Asmodee acquired Mayfair games (Catan first creator and publisher) in 2016 Then PAI partners acquires Asmodee https://casualgamerevolution.com/blog/2016/01/news-flash-asmodee-acquires-catan-hasbro-gaming-lab-announces-contest-winner https://www.polygon.com/2018/2/9/16996882/mayfair-games-lookout-games-acquired-by-asmodee-north-america-catan http://fortune.com/2018/07/23/settlers-of-catan-asmodee-acquisition/ https://www.axios.com/settlers-of-catan-owner-to-swit-1532362930-3a8974c9-0004-47cb-9035-3a3feb8cda36.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Esqarrouth ( talk • contribs) 18:43, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
I have wood for sheep. Ok...immature but I couldn't resist. Unrelated: Would a basic strategy section be appropriate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.171.32.227 ( talk) 06:21, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
You're joking but I don't think it's a joke! I think they specifically changed the name of the resources by now anyway: ore, lumber, wool, brick, and wheat. Should that be checked and edited? The "I've got wood for sheep!" was a not-uncommon cry during the game and it was embarrassing. 204.92.65.10 ( talk) 22:01, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Please see commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Settlers of Catan images.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 15:51, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Quoting from Gameplay section. "The players in the game represent the eponymous settlers." Why use eponymous there? All it does is make you have to think for a minute what that sentence means. In fact, in all fairness, the entire first section is confusingly written. I'd rewrite it but I've never played the game -- was just trying to get a basic sense of how it works, but that didn't happen. Sorry to be a Debbie Downer, but the point of this stuff is to introduce concepts clearly, not to use fancy words. 173.51.249.200 ( talk) 04:56, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Eponymous makes it clear that you are the settlers the game's title refers to, not some theoretical new expedition which has been sent out to find the fate of an earlier expedition to catan or any number of other possible misinterpretations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.104.229.66 ( talk) 17:58, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm not familiar with this game, but Wired magazine has a feature article about it. Perhaps it will prove a useful reference, especially about Teuber's invention of the game. K8 fan ( talk) 03:48, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
I feel like having the complete rules of the game in this article is contrary to the purpose of wikipedia ( wp:not a how-to) and that a general description of gameplay and goals is more appropriate. What do others think? TheHYPO ( talk) 20:08, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
I feel that the phrase is slightly jargonish and not entirely accurate. Applications are normally designed for systems that can perform multiple tasks. I would find it odd to say that this game proved beyond doubt that tables were useful for playing games on... Perhaps a mention that it caused growth or replication in that field would suffice? 92.0.138.3 ( talk) 16:32, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
I don’t agree. I don’t see what’s wrong with your "Settlers spurred US interest in other German board games” or something similar. Whether or not you can argue it’s an accurate use of the term ‘killer-app’ it doesn’t seem to me to be the best way to make people understand the point the introduction to the article is trying to convey. The fact that there has been this level of debate involving so many users would suggest that it is at least something of a grey area, and we need to think about what’s best for the article, rather than about who is right and wrong about the use of the term. I don’t think it’s generally a very well-known phrase (I’ve certainly never heard it outside of computer programming circles) and will serve to confuse many people, especially if it is making a bit of a semantic leap (albeit a small one). The point the original editor was trying to make (which is certainly relevent) was that SoC served to introduce this style of board gaming to groups that would not usually have used it before (e.g. families). To then use a phrase that those groups probably won’t understand seems to step on your own point a bit. I’ve got nothing against the phrase per se, but I think at the very least it should be moved out of the introductary paragraph. Bluebloodyhero ( talk) 11:49, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
I visited this article hoping to find an answer to the following question:
Can you use the 4th-edition extensions (say the 5/6 player extension) with the classic version of the base game?
Is it?
I'm not sure this info ought to be in the article - but perhaps someone can answer the question here anyway.-- Nø ( talk) 16:44, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
I would think people looking this up would like to know they can play it online at BrettSpielWelt. I know I'd want to know that. 68.167.161.182 ( talk) 03:36, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
I love board games in general and love Catan in particular, but the introductory paragraph about the game mechanics is unusually positive and makes unwarranted statements. I'd suggest removing the paragraph entirely.
The original paragraph: "The game has rapidly become popular in part because its mechanics are relatively simple, while its dynamics are quite complex.[4] The game is well suited for family play, since at no point in the game is any player eliminated, and players who are behind can strive towards goals that are within their reach."
On #1, I disagree. It is a fairly simple game. Certainly easier than Monopoly or Bridge, perhaps likely easier than Risk or pinochle. Heck, "Sorry" is only a bit less complex. It's no "Gulo Gulo" or "candy land" but it really isn't that hard to teach a 7 year old. As far as points 2 and 3 go, yeah, you've got good points. I agree with what is there, but without sources the sentence probably needs to be removed. Hobit ( talk) 15:03, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
The Settlers are relatively simple compared to other (mainstream!) German board games like El Grande. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.200.22.2 ( talk) 01:31, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
Is it just me, or is this game also called Hexagon? Itscalledhexagon ( talk) 13:37, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
60 to 90 minutes seems very much on the long side. Most people I know are finished in 45 to 60 minutes. And ten minutes for setup is also rather long. Where did those information come from? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.200.22.2 ( talk) 01:33, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
Well, the box says 60 minutes.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Tombcinchy ( talk • contribs) 01:25, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
In the manual p.15 , extension would refer to the 5-6 player variations where expansion would refer to the 3-4 player gameplay variations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tombcinchy ( talk • contribs) 01:23, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
Just wondering whether people think Catan should redirect to this article as the primary topic for the term, with the current Catan article moving to Catan (2007 video game)? I'm not familiar with the game but the board game seems like the most common usage of the term. -- Muchness ( talk) 20:33, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
Does someone knows variant of the game (can be added in the article?) for two player rules? How can they be valued, statistical analyses maybe?
I have developed a variant for 2 players trying to reusing all the 4 players game rules, i tested it on over 50 games but still i cannot produce a proof that they are valid, plus it should be recognized as original research, nothing good for the wiki article i suppose. Anyway for who is interested (i don't like who said 'i did this about this problem' without sharing) i'm writing them below. Pier4r ( talk) 14:20, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
Here i use color or colors meaning the faction that is playing and not the player (because in a 1on1 each player controls two factions).
Pier4r ( talk) 14:20, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
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I've deleted the section on online tournaments. Most board games have tournaments and without citations for why the listed tournaments are particularly notable from independent sources (i.e. not the tournament website), I don't think they should be included. 71.162.2.195 ( talk) 07:59, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
I temporarily downgraded this to the C class due to numerous problems. Numerous paragraphs comprise merely one sentence, with refs to the company, not independent, secondary sources, including:
"Catan: Explorers & Pirates, the fourth large expansion, was released in 2013. which introduces new elements for the game including moving ships, new resources, and pirates.
The Catan line was rebranded in 2015 for the 20th anniversary of the series, with the original Settlers game renamed simply Catan."
Cn tags are common, e.g.,
"1995: Spiel des Jahres Game of the Year[38]
1995: Deutscher Spiele Preis 1st place[citation needed]
1995: Essen Feather[citation needed]
1995: Meeples' Choice Award[citation needed]
1996: Origins Award for Best Fantasy or Science Fiction Board Game[39]
2001: Origins Hall of Fame[40]
2004: Hra roku[citation needed]
2005: Gra Roku Game of the Year[citation needed]
2006: Games Magazine Hall of Fame[41]
2015: GamesCom Vegas Game of the Century[citation needed]"
The video game section is poor in prose, with sections only one paragraph, and numerous CN tags. The tournaments section is reliant on either its own website or the unreliable Mashable (with no consensus and generally unreliable according to RSP at this link: /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#Mashable. I will try to cleanup and would candidly appreciate if contributors could also fix those issues. Many thanks. VickKiang ( talk) 02:57, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
@ Piotrus: @ BOZ: @ Mindmatrix: I propose merging Catan: Traders & Barbarians into Catan. I tried to cleanup that article, but found that GNG isn't met. The first ref is a non-significant listicle (but an RS from IGN), the Dicebreaker one is generally to marginally reliable (see BTG WikiProject Sources), and might be SIGCOV, but it's more like a rule overview. The third ref is equally questionable. Comic Book Resources and Polygon (website) have trivial mentions, there are also single-sentence mentions: 1, 2, but they aren't significant. I'd probably take this to AfD, since at best, there's only one (barely significant or reliable) ref and other very trivial mentions, GNG isn't met. But given if this is at AfD, its similarity to Catan would probably result in merging. I am also pinging Piotrus and BOZ, active contributors to BTG related articles; and Mindmatrix, who's involved in in the Catan article and sometimes in the BTG WikiProject, many thanks for your help! VickKiang ( talk) 22:25, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
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The amount of information coming for the 360 version of Catan was becoming unweildly, so it made sense to give it its own article: Catan. JAF1970 20:20, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
There should be a strat section. Other game entries have them. JAF1970 19:46, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
We need a section for after-market addons like the YuCatan Custom Board like the one now available commercially. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Todobemcara ( talk • contribs) 21:15, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Someone has deleted references to the online jsettlers game and the open source Sea3D. These are valid links, and should not be deleted.-- Bcnstony 07:36, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
I strongly disagree with the deletion of non-licensed versions, and plan to re-add them after some additional time for discussion. Deleting them is rather POV.--
SarekOfVulcan 03:03, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
How about this as a compromise: Under video games, we add "There are also a number of unlicensed third-party computer implementations of Settlers of Catan" and link to a freshmeat search for Catan as the reference. That way the article is on-topic, and the link is non-promotional; but Pioneers gets a link and so will Sea3d if they add themselves to FM? Possibly a different software directory would be a better choice. Percy Snoodle 08:52, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Leaving out mention of Java Settlers of Cattan is pretty biased, imo. At one point there were close to a hundred servers running that could easily be found with a Google search. From my experiance it was typical to see 10-20 people or more on these servers. That means there were at least thousands of people playing jsettlers. Why leave out mention of that? Part of the history of this game is that there are unoffical versions of the video game, and that lots of people did play them, and that it's quite likely that these unofficial games played a part in popularizing the game on-line. Leaving out mention of this because the current copyright owners don't like it is like talking about a Ronald Reagan but leaving out mention the Iran-Contra Affair because it upsets Regan's family. This article is supposed to be complete not a promotion for the people currently selling the game. I can't even understand why someone would want to avoid mentioning jsettlers... unless they work for Microsoft and they are going arround cleaning up wikipedia entries. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.124.240.82 ( talk) 09:56, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
There is a lot of discussion on this page about links to various implementations of computer versions of Settlers of Catan. It seems to me that a couple of people keep editing out the external links and calling them spam. The links are to public servers that make no profit and if someone is interested in this game then playing on one of these server is a useful way to learn more about the game. I see how adding the links will benefit people and I see no way that adding the links detracts from the article. In fact it is my opinion that leaving the links out is quite POV and I would not be surprised to learn that the people removing them have some ulterior motive for doing so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Quelt42 ( talk • contribs) 04:57, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
No, I think you misunderstand the point of Wikipedia. The goal is to make information available to people, not censor it for no good reason. If you scroll up you'll see that there are 4 or 5 people who want the links added and just the two of you who insist on removing them. IMO, the majority consensus says leave them in. Go look around at other topics. There are many external links to relevant services outside Wikipedia. These links are clearly labeled as external and do not hurt anyone, in fact they add benefit for most people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Quelt42 ( talk • contribs) 11:01, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
I looked in the history. One of you two took out even mentioning that people ran free servers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Quelt42 ( talk • contribs) 20:40, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
A similar question has arisen regarding unofficial implementations of Carcassonne (board game); hopefully the above conversation will answer Zacchiro questions. Percy Snoodle 16:06, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
I first learned about Settlers of Catan on this very wikipedia Article, and the link to the Java Settlers was very useful to me. It taught me how to play, and was one of the main reasons I ended up buying the board game. Just reading about a game is not enough. To have a resource to be able to play it, and the different styles and variants that exist are very useful. Case in point? Tetris. Look at the Wikipedia Tetris article. They have a whole section on variations. They are included because they are important to both the history of the game, and to the different styles and forms. You can see something similar in just about any game you search for. So the arguments that the references to other versions don't apply here or are Spam really doesn't add up. If the links had nothing to do with the topic, then it would be spam, but just because the Open-Source Programs has some different rules or a different name, doesn't make it any less useful as a reference... I was shocked to find today that the links were removed, and I consider it rather pitiful that whoever did it went so far as to delete this from even the history. The purpose of a Wikipedia History is to preserve the integrity of the information, so if changes are made that isn't quite right, those changes can be reverted. I only just found out today about the existence of an Open Source seafarer's game. Had I known about that, I might have tried it and then bought that game too. So having that link removed before I had a chance to read the article really hurt my ability to review all information available to the game, and I am personally offended that people actually go around omitting the facts like that in an Encyclopedia... I motion to restore anything that had even the history erased, if only to establish that at one time it existed. Then if the community as a whole decides not to keep it, at least we have the history. Or maybe a decent compromise would be to set up a new Settlers of Catan Page, called "Variations of Settlers of Catan" where all the external links and extra versions can be written. And a link to that page can be placed on this one. That way it would be specifically about the variations and so everyone can be happy. The people who like to delete history can have their incomplete article, and the people who want to have all the information has a page for all the information. -- Elliandr 20:07, March 26th 2008 (CST)
WP:NFT really doesn't apply at all to the open source games. They are pretty obviously clones of Settlers with a different name solely so they don't get sued. For all practical purposes the only thing the addition of a link to Java Settlers does is give people an easy way to see exactly what game the article is referring to by playing it themselves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.104.229.66 ( talk) 18:21, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
We have played and tested a derived set of rules allowing 2 people to play, and still keep all the game elements as per the original version.
We have tested this over 10 games, and believe we have ironed out the rules changes needed.
I believe this would be an interesting topic to add to this page, but have no idea how to add or edit.
How is this done please ?
David Edmonds dhe@axgb.com
I was thinking that it would be a good idea to create a new article titled Settlers of Catan (series) and make this article just about the original game. I'd be glad to do it if people support the idea. - Chunky Rice 16:55, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Seems to be a lack of citations on this article, in particular I cannot find confirmation of the Nintendo DS version being announced for 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.73.195.140 ( talk) 00:49, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
The fourth English edition has renamed the expansions to "Catan: Seafarers" and "Catan: Cities & Knights" (which are closer to the style of the German, I believe). The logo has "Catan" in large type, then below it separated by a rule, "Seafarers" in smaller type. All other references on the box and manuals use the style "Catan: Seafarers" with a colon. I suggest the relevant articles and other references be changed to "Catan: Seafarers" or just "Seafarers" as appropriate. -- KJBracey ( talk) 12:44, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
I expanded the info on this game. In particular, I made it clear that the game isn't available for sale any longer and that the reason for this is that Microsoft withholds it, only offering the version that requires MSN.
At the same time I moved the images around a bit so the header "Video Games" got left justified (and not squeezed between two images reducing readability). I used bold to separate the three main sections of the video game section, feel free to reformat if there's an established Wiki way to do this.
I am aware the list of settlers games reproduces some info on each game, including this one. But I haven't changed that page - better then to await Catan: the computer game getting its own page and then moving all info there instead.
Cheers, CapnZapp ( talk) 15:43, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Here's a reference for the "now available at other online services" bit: http://boardgames.about.com/b/2005/02/04/catan-online-in-more-places.htm CapnZapp ( talk) 15:44, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Checking with WikiScanner, it was learned that Microsoft Corporation was the one who put the information about the Microsoft Catan Products up to begin with and has made more than 150 edits on Wikipedia. There were also a number of electronic and computer companies who likewise have been involved. Using Wikipedia to push an agenda and to remove content that could compete with that agenda is against the rules.
The only people who are participating in the deletion of content are not users, but companies. For example, the most recent change in deleting content was made by "Performance Systems International Inc (Brookline, Massachusetts)" and other companies, such as "Beethoven Pc Support Services (Melbourne, Victoria)" (aka Percy Snoodle)
While yes, it is possible that in some cases, someone within a company acted on his or her own using a company computer as an individual, for a Microsoft Computer to focus on it's products, and for only computer related companies to focus on the deletion of information about any Non Microsoft Computer product is suspicious to say the least.
People need to know this is going on.
http://wikiscanner.virgil.gr/f.php?pagetitle=settlers+of+catan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.188.25.28 ( talk) 18:36, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
Dear Virgil Wikiscanner,
1) Accusations with no references and no hard evidence are not helping.
2) Please create an account, we can then discuss your wikiscanning in a central place: your talk page.
CapnZapp ( talk) 21:22, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Asmodee acquired Mayfair games (Catan first creator and publisher) in 2016 Then PAI partners acquires Asmodee https://casualgamerevolution.com/blog/2016/01/news-flash-asmodee-acquires-catan-hasbro-gaming-lab-announces-contest-winner https://www.polygon.com/2018/2/9/16996882/mayfair-games-lookout-games-acquired-by-asmodee-north-america-catan http://fortune.com/2018/07/23/settlers-of-catan-asmodee-acquisition/ https://www.axios.com/settlers-of-catan-owner-to-swit-1532362930-3a8974c9-0004-47cb-9035-3a3feb8cda36.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Esqarrouth ( talk • contribs) 18:43, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
I have wood for sheep. Ok...immature but I couldn't resist. Unrelated: Would a basic strategy section be appropriate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.171.32.227 ( talk) 06:21, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
You're joking but I don't think it's a joke! I think they specifically changed the name of the resources by now anyway: ore, lumber, wool, brick, and wheat. Should that be checked and edited? The "I've got wood for sheep!" was a not-uncommon cry during the game and it was embarrassing. 204.92.65.10 ( talk) 22:01, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Please see commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Settlers of Catan images.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 15:51, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Quoting from Gameplay section. "The players in the game represent the eponymous settlers." Why use eponymous there? All it does is make you have to think for a minute what that sentence means. In fact, in all fairness, the entire first section is confusingly written. I'd rewrite it but I've never played the game -- was just trying to get a basic sense of how it works, but that didn't happen. Sorry to be a Debbie Downer, but the point of this stuff is to introduce concepts clearly, not to use fancy words. 173.51.249.200 ( talk) 04:56, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Eponymous makes it clear that you are the settlers the game's title refers to, not some theoretical new expedition which has been sent out to find the fate of an earlier expedition to catan or any number of other possible misinterpretations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.104.229.66 ( talk) 17:58, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm not familiar with this game, but Wired magazine has a feature article about it. Perhaps it will prove a useful reference, especially about Teuber's invention of the game. K8 fan ( talk) 03:48, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
I feel like having the complete rules of the game in this article is contrary to the purpose of wikipedia ( wp:not a how-to) and that a general description of gameplay and goals is more appropriate. What do others think? TheHYPO ( talk) 20:08, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
I feel that the phrase is slightly jargonish and not entirely accurate. Applications are normally designed for systems that can perform multiple tasks. I would find it odd to say that this game proved beyond doubt that tables were useful for playing games on... Perhaps a mention that it caused growth or replication in that field would suffice? 92.0.138.3 ( talk) 16:32, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
I don’t agree. I don’t see what’s wrong with your "Settlers spurred US interest in other German board games” or something similar. Whether or not you can argue it’s an accurate use of the term ‘killer-app’ it doesn’t seem to me to be the best way to make people understand the point the introduction to the article is trying to convey. The fact that there has been this level of debate involving so many users would suggest that it is at least something of a grey area, and we need to think about what’s best for the article, rather than about who is right and wrong about the use of the term. I don’t think it’s generally a very well-known phrase (I’ve certainly never heard it outside of computer programming circles) and will serve to confuse many people, especially if it is making a bit of a semantic leap (albeit a small one). The point the original editor was trying to make (which is certainly relevent) was that SoC served to introduce this style of board gaming to groups that would not usually have used it before (e.g. families). To then use a phrase that those groups probably won’t understand seems to step on your own point a bit. I’ve got nothing against the phrase per se, but I think at the very least it should be moved out of the introductary paragraph. Bluebloodyhero ( talk) 11:49, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
I visited this article hoping to find an answer to the following question:
Can you use the 4th-edition extensions (say the 5/6 player extension) with the classic version of the base game?
Is it?
I'm not sure this info ought to be in the article - but perhaps someone can answer the question here anyway.-- Nø ( talk) 16:44, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
I would think people looking this up would like to know they can play it online at BrettSpielWelt. I know I'd want to know that. 68.167.161.182 ( talk) 03:36, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
I love board games in general and love Catan in particular, but the introductory paragraph about the game mechanics is unusually positive and makes unwarranted statements. I'd suggest removing the paragraph entirely.
The original paragraph: "The game has rapidly become popular in part because its mechanics are relatively simple, while its dynamics are quite complex.[4] The game is well suited for family play, since at no point in the game is any player eliminated, and players who are behind can strive towards goals that are within their reach."
On #1, I disagree. It is a fairly simple game. Certainly easier than Monopoly or Bridge, perhaps likely easier than Risk or pinochle. Heck, "Sorry" is only a bit less complex. It's no "Gulo Gulo" or "candy land" but it really isn't that hard to teach a 7 year old. As far as points 2 and 3 go, yeah, you've got good points. I agree with what is there, but without sources the sentence probably needs to be removed. Hobit ( talk) 15:03, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
The Settlers are relatively simple compared to other (mainstream!) German board games like El Grande. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.200.22.2 ( talk) 01:31, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
Is it just me, or is this game also called Hexagon? Itscalledhexagon ( talk) 13:37, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
60 to 90 minutes seems very much on the long side. Most people I know are finished in 45 to 60 minutes. And ten minutes for setup is also rather long. Where did those information come from? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.200.22.2 ( talk) 01:33, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
Well, the box says 60 minutes.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Tombcinchy ( talk • contribs) 01:25, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
In the manual p.15 , extension would refer to the 5-6 player variations where expansion would refer to the 3-4 player gameplay variations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tombcinchy ( talk • contribs) 01:23, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
Just wondering whether people think Catan should redirect to this article as the primary topic for the term, with the current Catan article moving to Catan (2007 video game)? I'm not familiar with the game but the board game seems like the most common usage of the term. -- Muchness ( talk) 20:33, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
Does someone knows variant of the game (can be added in the article?) for two player rules? How can they be valued, statistical analyses maybe?
I have developed a variant for 2 players trying to reusing all the 4 players game rules, i tested it on over 50 games but still i cannot produce a proof that they are valid, plus it should be recognized as original research, nothing good for the wiki article i suppose. Anyway for who is interested (i don't like who said 'i did this about this problem' without sharing) i'm writing them below. Pier4r ( talk) 14:20, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
Here i use color or colors meaning the faction that is playing and not the player (because in a 1on1 each player controls two factions).
Pier4r ( talk) 14:20, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
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I've deleted the section on online tournaments. Most board games have tournaments and without citations for why the listed tournaments are particularly notable from independent sources (i.e. not the tournament website), I don't think they should be included. 71.162.2.195 ( talk) 07:59, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
I temporarily downgraded this to the C class due to numerous problems. Numerous paragraphs comprise merely one sentence, with refs to the company, not independent, secondary sources, including:
"Catan: Explorers & Pirates, the fourth large expansion, was released in 2013. which introduces new elements for the game including moving ships, new resources, and pirates.
The Catan line was rebranded in 2015 for the 20th anniversary of the series, with the original Settlers game renamed simply Catan."
Cn tags are common, e.g.,
"1995: Spiel des Jahres Game of the Year[38]
1995: Deutscher Spiele Preis 1st place[citation needed]
1995: Essen Feather[citation needed]
1995: Meeples' Choice Award[citation needed]
1996: Origins Award for Best Fantasy or Science Fiction Board Game[39]
2001: Origins Hall of Fame[40]
2004: Hra roku[citation needed]
2005: Gra Roku Game of the Year[citation needed]
2006: Games Magazine Hall of Fame[41]
2015: GamesCom Vegas Game of the Century[citation needed]"
The video game section is poor in prose, with sections only one paragraph, and numerous CN tags. The tournaments section is reliant on either its own website or the unreliable Mashable (with no consensus and generally unreliable according to RSP at this link: /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#Mashable. I will try to cleanup and would candidly appreciate if contributors could also fix those issues. Many thanks. VickKiang ( talk) 02:57, 6 April 2022 (UTC)
@ Piotrus: @ BOZ: @ Mindmatrix: I propose merging Catan: Traders & Barbarians into Catan. I tried to cleanup that article, but found that GNG isn't met. The first ref is a non-significant listicle (but an RS from IGN), the Dicebreaker one is generally to marginally reliable (see BTG WikiProject Sources), and might be SIGCOV, but it's more like a rule overview. The third ref is equally questionable. Comic Book Resources and Polygon (website) have trivial mentions, there are also single-sentence mentions: 1, 2, but they aren't significant. I'd probably take this to AfD, since at best, there's only one (barely significant or reliable) ref and other very trivial mentions, GNG isn't met. But given if this is at AfD, its similarity to Catan would probably result in merging. I am also pinging Piotrus and BOZ, active contributors to BTG related articles; and Mindmatrix, who's involved in in the Catan article and sometimes in the BTG WikiProject, many thanks for your help! VickKiang ( talk) 22:25, 29 July 2022 (UTC)