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I removed this section, since according to the links given, this is not a crime instigated by caste issues. This was not a case of lower-caste people being massacred by upper-caste people. It was an incident triggered by religious (and not caste) sentiments -- some extremist Hindus who regard cows as sacred killed people who were skinning a cow. utcursch | talk 11:47, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
I modified this section considerably -- the last paragraph especially seems to have been written by a very casteist person with a clear anti-Dalit bias. The major issues I had with it are: Theories concerning these crimes against Dalits range from "alcohol bootleggers opposing prohibition movements among Dalits" to "inter-caste relations between an upper-caste Vanniya boy and a Dalit girl". -- this does not have a citation. In the next paragraph we have a statement that violence against Brahmins was systematically encouraged by Periyar -- nowhere in the Outlook article linked as a citation does it state that violence against Brahmins was systematically encouraged by Periyar Ramaswami. The next sentence doesn't seem to go anywhere and seems merely an excuse to throw in a link to an article about the Hindu Munnani party (which I have never heard of before). It seems to be a bit much to cite that the DMK is an anti-Hindu party by linking to an article about an opposition party claiming that the DMK is an anti-Hindu party. The same sentence fragment states that the rise to power of the DMK party resulted in discrimination against upper-castes in TN. He/she also talks about the "canard" of Brahmin oppression as though Brahmin oppression of the lower castes wasn't true. The poster seems to be prescribe to a very narrow view of Hinduism = Brahminism. Next we have the weasel-worded construction of many Brahmins claim that many Brahmins... I think this whole sentence is obviously problematic. The last sentence of the paragraph is also similarly weasel-worded: Some people have stated...
Kumquat85 ( talk) 01:19, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Why would this article be of low importance? This is POV of high class hindus who think that violence against Dalits is not really important. Furthermore, those same Indians should know that by the western standards, all Indians are dalits, since they drink the filthy water of River Ganges. 189.96.245.39 ( talk) 15:31, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Articles such as these are very biased since they are based on selective choice of incidences. Only violence against the so called Dalit is shown disregarding all other violence against other castes. Special:Contributions ( User talk) 03:50, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
I looked at this article and thought the same. Both the massacres mentioned in Bihar were revenge actions for previous massacres by naxalites targeting upper castes. I understand that naxals are very educated and have important issues, but killing innocent people is not the way to do it. Furthermore, it is even more worrying that naxal violence is not reported at all when caste violence is mentioned. Any fair reporting needs to be both ways. Further conclusions can be drawn by the reader, but the reporting has to be fair. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.165.249.162 ( talk) 23:45, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi Wiki Users/Editors,
I would like to order the page based on the dates I would prefer a format of YYYY Village, District, State. In case of casualties, specify that along with deaths if any. The heading from the sub page would have been apt.
Please share your thoughts.
Regards, Almithra ( talk) 08:31, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
This article either should be renamed caste-violence against dalits( which is not caste but socially oppressed section), or it should also includes violence among other castes like anti-brahmin riots in Maharashtra and Tamil Nadu, gurjar violence in western UP and among different castes! Although I know only Upper-lower seems to come into much spook but there is also lots of upper-upper and lower-lower conflicts! ( My name is Pandey and I'm not a Castist :P ) Pratpandey13 ( talk) Pratpandey +1 on this — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.165.249.162 ( talk) 23:48, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
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Is this a list? Why are there so many sections? AnomalousAtom ( talk) 07:59, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
2005 event, the source and google search says it happened in Bihar not Uttar Pradesh. So, I have made required changes. Heba Aisha ( talk) 09:16, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
MRRaja001, i noticed that you recently added a quote mentioning various castes that commit atrocities on Dalits. In Bihar, you have mentioned Ahir, Kurmi and Kushwaha apart from Rajput and Bhumihars. I have been writing on caste related violence for long and i didn't find much sources about Yadav and Kushwaha commiting atrocities on Dalits. Kurmis were involved in "Belchhi massacre", but for other two, i don't think the books mentions the same. Since, it is not accessible, if you have access to book, can you provide the quote. I have tagged it for quotation and it will be removed if verification fails. Admantine123 ( talk) 11:29, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
Atrocities are committed on the "Untouchables' in the villages and small towns and the incidents of such cases are showing an upward trend. Atrocities are committed by the members of land holding castes, like Vellalas and Thewars in Tamil Nadu, by Kappus, Reddies and Kammas in Andhra; by Marathas and Kunbis in Maharashtra; by Bhumihars and Thakurs in Bihar, by Jats, Gujars, Ahir and Rajputs in Uttar Pradesh,
I was shocked after seeing this [3]. Here, in name of shortening long sentences in list article, a particular editor has removed two entire cases. "Singhu Border Dalit abuse" and another incident. What do you think LukeEmily, Fylindfotberserk, Ekdalian, MRRaja001 and Novem Linguae- Admantine123 ( talk) 12:50, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
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I removed this section, since according to the links given, this is not a crime instigated by caste issues. This was not a case of lower-caste people being massacred by upper-caste people. It was an incident triggered by religious (and not caste) sentiments -- some extremist Hindus who regard cows as sacred killed people who were skinning a cow. utcursch | talk 11:47, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
I modified this section considerably -- the last paragraph especially seems to have been written by a very casteist person with a clear anti-Dalit bias. The major issues I had with it are: Theories concerning these crimes against Dalits range from "alcohol bootleggers opposing prohibition movements among Dalits" to "inter-caste relations between an upper-caste Vanniya boy and a Dalit girl". -- this does not have a citation. In the next paragraph we have a statement that violence against Brahmins was systematically encouraged by Periyar -- nowhere in the Outlook article linked as a citation does it state that violence against Brahmins was systematically encouraged by Periyar Ramaswami. The next sentence doesn't seem to go anywhere and seems merely an excuse to throw in a link to an article about the Hindu Munnani party (which I have never heard of before). It seems to be a bit much to cite that the DMK is an anti-Hindu party by linking to an article about an opposition party claiming that the DMK is an anti-Hindu party. The same sentence fragment states that the rise to power of the DMK party resulted in discrimination against upper-castes in TN. He/she also talks about the "canard" of Brahmin oppression as though Brahmin oppression of the lower castes wasn't true. The poster seems to be prescribe to a very narrow view of Hinduism = Brahminism. Next we have the weasel-worded construction of many Brahmins claim that many Brahmins... I think this whole sentence is obviously problematic. The last sentence of the paragraph is also similarly weasel-worded: Some people have stated...
Kumquat85 ( talk) 01:19, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Why would this article be of low importance? This is POV of high class hindus who think that violence against Dalits is not really important. Furthermore, those same Indians should know that by the western standards, all Indians are dalits, since they drink the filthy water of River Ganges. 189.96.245.39 ( talk) 15:31, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Articles such as these are very biased since they are based on selective choice of incidences. Only violence against the so called Dalit is shown disregarding all other violence against other castes. Special:Contributions ( User talk) 03:50, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
I looked at this article and thought the same. Both the massacres mentioned in Bihar were revenge actions for previous massacres by naxalites targeting upper castes. I understand that naxals are very educated and have important issues, but killing innocent people is not the way to do it. Furthermore, it is even more worrying that naxal violence is not reported at all when caste violence is mentioned. Any fair reporting needs to be both ways. Further conclusions can be drawn by the reader, but the reporting has to be fair. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.165.249.162 ( talk) 23:45, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi Wiki Users/Editors,
I would like to order the page based on the dates I would prefer a format of YYYY Village, District, State. In case of casualties, specify that along with deaths if any. The heading from the sub page would have been apt.
Please share your thoughts.
Regards, Almithra ( talk) 08:31, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
This article either should be renamed caste-violence against dalits( which is not caste but socially oppressed section), or it should also includes violence among other castes like anti-brahmin riots in Maharashtra and Tamil Nadu, gurjar violence in western UP and among different castes! Although I know only Upper-lower seems to come into much spook but there is also lots of upper-upper and lower-lower conflicts! ( My name is Pandey and I'm not a Castist :P ) Pratpandey13 ( talk) Pratpandey +1 on this — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.165.249.162 ( talk) 23:48, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
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Is this a list? Why are there so many sections? AnomalousAtom ( talk) 07:59, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
2005 event, the source and google search says it happened in Bihar not Uttar Pradesh. So, I have made required changes. Heba Aisha ( talk) 09:16, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
MRRaja001, i noticed that you recently added a quote mentioning various castes that commit atrocities on Dalits. In Bihar, you have mentioned Ahir, Kurmi and Kushwaha apart from Rajput and Bhumihars. I have been writing on caste related violence for long and i didn't find much sources about Yadav and Kushwaha commiting atrocities on Dalits. Kurmis were involved in "Belchhi massacre", but for other two, i don't think the books mentions the same. Since, it is not accessible, if you have access to book, can you provide the quote. I have tagged it for quotation and it will be removed if verification fails. Admantine123 ( talk) 11:29, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
Atrocities are committed on the "Untouchables' in the villages and small towns and the incidents of such cases are showing an upward trend. Atrocities are committed by the members of land holding castes, like Vellalas and Thewars in Tamil Nadu, by Kappus, Reddies and Kammas in Andhra; by Marathas and Kunbis in Maharashtra; by Bhumihars and Thakurs in Bihar, by Jats, Gujars, Ahir and Rajputs in Uttar Pradesh,
I was shocked after seeing this [3]. Here, in name of shortening long sentences in list article, a particular editor has removed two entire cases. "Singhu Border Dalit abuse" and another incident. What do you think LukeEmily, Fylindfotberserk, Ekdalian, MRRaja001 and Novem Linguae- Admantine123 ( talk) 12:50, 7 July 2023 (UTC)