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First, it is impolite to move pages without talkingt to other editors. This article is not about some obscure person with unknown spelling no one cares. This is a country.
Second, something is wrong with your google. My search shows 10x majority for "Byelorissian SSR" in both international and English language searches. Simply "Byelorussian" also of notable majority.
Third, whatever google says, that was an official Soviet spelling of the country. We don't call the article " Ivory Coast", do we? Despite 5x google preference.
And fourth, when you are making moves, do not forget to fix redirects. There is a big "click here" popping up when you finish a move. Although in this particular case it is good that you didn't follow the rules; I would have more work to undo. And this is the second reason to talk to people first; to avoid useless work. Mikkalai 18:41, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
The title "Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic" is fast becoming an anachronism. Byelorusskaya in Russian is Belaruskaya in Belarusian. And the accepted translation of both is Belarusian in English. — Michael Z. 2005-04-12 21:02 Z
Is it possible to add info that Byelorussian can no longer be used at present? That the adjective is now defunct. Because some companies still use it. http://www.belsteel.com/eng/about/bsw.php Vedarough ( talk) 12:02, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
I think that Jan 1 1919 it was proclaimed LitBiel Lithuanian-Bellorussian SSR. Am I correct? This "state" was later abandoned and afterwards BSSR was found. Eon 05:41, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC) Eon 05:44, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
As far as I am concerned, before 1937 there were recognized 4 languages: Polish, Belorrussian, Jiddish and Russian. I read memoires of one guest who was greeted in those 4 languages at the station. Eon 05:44, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
If it was created on 1 Jan, what exactly was it's relation to Lithuanian-Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic (Feb-August 1919)?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 14:34, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
I find the whole history section highly POV. What "Belarus" was invaded in 1917 ? And wasn't it in 1939 that Soviet Army invaded Poland and "liberated" West Belarus ? -- Lysy ( talk) 21:17, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Early days of BSSR were carefully censored in the Soviet Union (the rest of the world didn't care). You may guess the reason from the Socialist Soviet Republic of Byelorussia I started to write. Therefore until the whole picture emerges in wikipedia, I'd suggest not to write elaborate summaries/intros. `' Mїkka 22:44, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was ALL MOVED, per discussion below. I also moved Kirgiz SSR, which seems to have missed the list somehow. - GTBacchus( talk) 04:43, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
It seems that given that the formal name for this nation was "Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic", the soviet prefix abbreviation (-"SSR") shouldn't be in the full article name. Therefore, I propose to move the article to its full form, Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic. We wouldn't have an article about North Korea titled "DPRK", would we? -- Micahbrwn ( talk) 10:11, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
The following moves are also proposed by the same reasoning:
my first and foremost grievance is your disrespect: you are reverting the whole my edit while looking only at first line. Second, it is you who has to explain yourself, since you are reverting. Dzied Bulbash ( talk) 20:13, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
As for Russian language, I don't really care. If you say so. Just treat other editors with respect. Although this policy of forceful Soviet-style Russification of Belarus is dislikable. Just go and try to enter Russian spelling of Таллин in Tallinn and see what happens. You all Russians are taking an advantage of mellow Belarussian character. Dzied Bulbash ( talk) 20:13, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Belarus being 81% Belorussian, 16% Polish, 1% Ukrainian, 1% Jewish and under 1% Russian in 1959? Those numbers are way off. Here are the following figures from the 1959 census [9]:
Prussia1231 ( talk) 06:08, 20 September 2009 (UTC)Prussia1231
Do you want me to collect data for the Soviet Census' of 1926, 1939, 1959, 1970, 1979 and 1989 regarding Belarus? Prussia1231 ( talk) 06:10, 20 September 2009 (UTC)Prussia1231
The theme is absolutely not revealed in the article.
Kurapaty near Mensk (Minsk) is one of the many places where mass executions of Belarusian civilians were carried out during the Stalin regime (1937 - 1941) by the NKVD (People's Commissariat for Internal Affairs - at the time this was the name of what is today the KGB). Until the late 80s the Soviet government carefully concealed this information from the people.
In 1988, thanks to the efforts of Z. Pazniak and J. Smyhaliou, the articles "Kurapaty - the Road of Death" and "The Pines are murmuring above the grave" were first published in the Belarusian newspaper "Litaratura i Mastactva" (Literature and Art) - both articles are reproduced in the following. These articles were the first to reveal the truth about how the totalitarian Bolshevist system liquidated more than 200.000 innocent victims in Kurapaty alone, without any investigation or trial. The articles include numerous reports by witnesses of the tragedy, they report about the archaeological excavations carried out by the authors themselves at the place where the victims were buried, and they draw conclusions about the significance of this tragedy.
External links:
Photo:
Lisouczyk1 ( talk) 16:03, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Who deleted it and why?
Why isn't it displayed? 71.207.105.10 ( talk) 23:26, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
There are certain users who have been editing other SSR articles on Wikipedia for the past year, by stating that the soviet republics existed until the adoption of their new constitutions in the mid-1990s.
Byelorussian SSR declared itself independent and changed its name to Republic of Belarus in 1991, and there are absolutely no arguments to back up that this state existed until 1994. That would be rewriting history. A new state is not just a matter of all-new constitutions, but also of its status and form of government. Afghanistan has had a lot of states since the abolishment of monarchy in the 1970s: the First Republic (1973–1978), Democratic Republic/Second Republic (1978–1992), the Islamic State (1992–2001), the Islamic Emirate (1996–2001), the Afghan Interim Administration (2001–2002), the Afghan Transitional Administration (2002–2004), and the present-day Islamic Republic since 2004. Yet they have only had four constitutions since then: 1976, 1987, 1990 and 2004. Is that to say that we should change these yearspans totally as well, so that most of these states didn't exist? The People's Republic of Hungary ended in 1989, but an all-new constitution was first made in 2011. Should we also say that the PR of Hungary existed until 2011, then? That would make little sense. Although Belarus did not adopt a new constitution before 1994, there's no doubt about that it was a totally different state. It had a totally different form of government, its name was changed, it was an independent state (not a federated state), it was not a Soviet socialist republic. These factors are a lot more independent than the adoption of an all-new constitution. And although the constitution was not all-new, and formally the same constitution although heavily amended, it was amended to fit a new state and was not really the same constitution in practice. You'll have to agree that the 1991 transition is a lot more historically significant change in Belarus' history than the adoption of a new constitution. A.h. king • Talk to me! 20:32, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
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The article states: "On 11 April 1927, the republic adopted its new Constitution, bringing its laws in tie with those of the USSR and changing the name from the Soviet Socialist Republic of Byelorussia to the Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic "
However, the Treaty on the Formation of the Soviet Union, from 1922, specifies that it was the "Беларуская Сацыялістычная Савецкая Рэспубліка (БССР)", Byelorussian Socialist Soviet Republic, the same word ordering as the other republics mentioned in the treaty, and implying that the name at the time was BSSR, not SSRB. Anyone have more info on this? -- Golbez ( talk) 20:38, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
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![]() | On 20 September 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Soviet Belarus. The result of the discussion was not moved. |
First, it is impolite to move pages without talkingt to other editors. This article is not about some obscure person with unknown spelling no one cares. This is a country.
Second, something is wrong with your google. My search shows 10x majority for "Byelorissian SSR" in both international and English language searches. Simply "Byelorussian" also of notable majority.
Third, whatever google says, that was an official Soviet spelling of the country. We don't call the article " Ivory Coast", do we? Despite 5x google preference.
And fourth, when you are making moves, do not forget to fix redirects. There is a big "click here" popping up when you finish a move. Although in this particular case it is good that you didn't follow the rules; I would have more work to undo. And this is the second reason to talk to people first; to avoid useless work. Mikkalai 18:41, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
The title "Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic" is fast becoming an anachronism. Byelorusskaya in Russian is Belaruskaya in Belarusian. And the accepted translation of both is Belarusian in English. — Michael Z. 2005-04-12 21:02 Z
Is it possible to add info that Byelorussian can no longer be used at present? That the adjective is now defunct. Because some companies still use it. http://www.belsteel.com/eng/about/bsw.php Vedarough ( talk) 12:02, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
I think that Jan 1 1919 it was proclaimed LitBiel Lithuanian-Bellorussian SSR. Am I correct? This "state" was later abandoned and afterwards BSSR was found. Eon 05:41, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC) Eon 05:44, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
As far as I am concerned, before 1937 there were recognized 4 languages: Polish, Belorrussian, Jiddish and Russian. I read memoires of one guest who was greeted in those 4 languages at the station. Eon 05:44, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
If it was created on 1 Jan, what exactly was it's relation to Lithuanian-Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic (Feb-August 1919)?-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 14:34, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
I find the whole history section highly POV. What "Belarus" was invaded in 1917 ? And wasn't it in 1939 that Soviet Army invaded Poland and "liberated" West Belarus ? -- Lysy ( talk) 21:17, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Early days of BSSR were carefully censored in the Soviet Union (the rest of the world didn't care). You may guess the reason from the Socialist Soviet Republic of Byelorussia I started to write. Therefore until the whole picture emerges in wikipedia, I'd suggest not to write elaborate summaries/intros. `' Mїkka 22:44, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was ALL MOVED, per discussion below. I also moved Kirgiz SSR, which seems to have missed the list somehow. - GTBacchus( talk) 04:43, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
It seems that given that the formal name for this nation was "Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic", the soviet prefix abbreviation (-"SSR") shouldn't be in the full article name. Therefore, I propose to move the article to its full form, Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic. We wouldn't have an article about North Korea titled "DPRK", would we? -- Micahbrwn ( talk) 10:11, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
The following moves are also proposed by the same reasoning:
my first and foremost grievance is your disrespect: you are reverting the whole my edit while looking only at first line. Second, it is you who has to explain yourself, since you are reverting. Dzied Bulbash ( talk) 20:13, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
As for Russian language, I don't really care. If you say so. Just treat other editors with respect. Although this policy of forceful Soviet-style Russification of Belarus is dislikable. Just go and try to enter Russian spelling of Таллин in Tallinn and see what happens. You all Russians are taking an advantage of mellow Belarussian character. Dzied Bulbash ( talk) 20:13, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Belarus being 81% Belorussian, 16% Polish, 1% Ukrainian, 1% Jewish and under 1% Russian in 1959? Those numbers are way off. Here are the following figures from the 1959 census [9]:
Prussia1231 ( talk) 06:08, 20 September 2009 (UTC)Prussia1231
Do you want me to collect data for the Soviet Census' of 1926, 1939, 1959, 1970, 1979 and 1989 regarding Belarus? Prussia1231 ( talk) 06:10, 20 September 2009 (UTC)Prussia1231
The theme is absolutely not revealed in the article.
Kurapaty near Mensk (Minsk) is one of the many places where mass executions of Belarusian civilians were carried out during the Stalin regime (1937 - 1941) by the NKVD (People's Commissariat for Internal Affairs - at the time this was the name of what is today the KGB). Until the late 80s the Soviet government carefully concealed this information from the people.
In 1988, thanks to the efforts of Z. Pazniak and J. Smyhaliou, the articles "Kurapaty - the Road of Death" and "The Pines are murmuring above the grave" were first published in the Belarusian newspaper "Litaratura i Mastactva" (Literature and Art) - both articles are reproduced in the following. These articles were the first to reveal the truth about how the totalitarian Bolshevist system liquidated more than 200.000 innocent victims in Kurapaty alone, without any investigation or trial. The articles include numerous reports by witnesses of the tragedy, they report about the archaeological excavations carried out by the authors themselves at the place where the victims were buried, and they draw conclusions about the significance of this tragedy.
External links:
Photo:
Lisouczyk1 ( talk) 16:03, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Who deleted it and why?
Why isn't it displayed? 71.207.105.10 ( talk) 23:26, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
There are certain users who have been editing other SSR articles on Wikipedia for the past year, by stating that the soviet republics existed until the adoption of their new constitutions in the mid-1990s.
Byelorussian SSR declared itself independent and changed its name to Republic of Belarus in 1991, and there are absolutely no arguments to back up that this state existed until 1994. That would be rewriting history. A new state is not just a matter of all-new constitutions, but also of its status and form of government. Afghanistan has had a lot of states since the abolishment of monarchy in the 1970s: the First Republic (1973–1978), Democratic Republic/Second Republic (1978–1992), the Islamic State (1992–2001), the Islamic Emirate (1996–2001), the Afghan Interim Administration (2001–2002), the Afghan Transitional Administration (2002–2004), and the present-day Islamic Republic since 2004. Yet they have only had four constitutions since then: 1976, 1987, 1990 and 2004. Is that to say that we should change these yearspans totally as well, so that most of these states didn't exist? The People's Republic of Hungary ended in 1989, but an all-new constitution was first made in 2011. Should we also say that the PR of Hungary existed until 2011, then? That would make little sense. Although Belarus did not adopt a new constitution before 1994, there's no doubt about that it was a totally different state. It had a totally different form of government, its name was changed, it was an independent state (not a federated state), it was not a Soviet socialist republic. These factors are a lot more independent than the adoption of an all-new constitution. And although the constitution was not all-new, and formally the same constitution although heavily amended, it was amended to fit a new state and was not really the same constitution in practice. You'll have to agree that the 1991 transition is a lot more historically significant change in Belarus' history than the adoption of a new constitution. A.h. king • Talk to me! 20:32, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
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The article states: "On 11 April 1927, the republic adopted its new Constitution, bringing its laws in tie with those of the USSR and changing the name from the Soviet Socialist Republic of Byelorussia to the Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic "
However, the Treaty on the Formation of the Soviet Union, from 1922, specifies that it was the "Беларуская Сацыялістычная Савецкая Рэспубліка (БССР)", Byelorussian Socialist Soviet Republic, the same word ordering as the other republics mentioned in the treaty, and implying that the name at the time was BSSR, not SSRB. Anyone have more info on this? -- Golbez ( talk) 20:38, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 23:46, 20 September 2023 (UTC)