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Interesting perspectives in The New York Times recently on trades at Burlington Central Arena hockey facility conference swaps of volumes of data. How were the labels coded DECO for full lockbox volume trading on floppies with illegal material including bomb-making data and Rand Corporation Arpanet Vietnam War era files related to the Seattle riots during the 1990's and library public access via terminal? LED BodyBuilding ( talk) 09:23, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
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Again access to these files without personal research is near impossible related to US Robotics, baud systems, internal security at Sheraton hotel conference Yorkville Toronto and other systems that we might have to find Bill Gates to explain. How can this section be unadulterated without personal research into this murky underworld? LED BodyBuilding ( talk) 09:33, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
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A recent edit by user:DesertPipeline added a {{ cn}} template to a footnote claiming that an Automatic Calling Unit was not eceonomically viable. Does anybody have access to ACU prices during the BBS era? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul ( talk) 16:43, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
Is the knowledge so self-evident that it really does not need to be cited at all?in Wikipedia:Citation needed#When to use this tag and WP:BLUE would apply. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul ( talk) 14:31, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
The "Presentation" section of this article says "The Amiga Skyline BBS software was the first in 1987 featuring a script markup language communication protocol called Skypix..."
To support this assertion, it cites part of an email to Jason Scott, producer/director of The BBS Documentary, from Scott Lee, a later maintainer of the SkyPix technology. The relevant passage of Lee's email says "This was all around the '87 time frame which I think pegs it as the first graphical point & click BBS UI..." (emphasis added)
This is hardly authoritative. It's just a vague recollection.
(Making it worse, the WP citation lists the publisher as "Jason Scott for Wired Magazine (?)". This is nonsensical. The excerpted email is hosted on Jason Scott's bbsdocumentary.com website, which has nothing to do with Wired.)
In fact, a search of discmaster.textfiles.com for contemporary releases of SkyPix-related software, turns up no evidence in support of a 1987 date.
For example, the title screen for SkyPaint v1.0 says "1988", not "1987":
SKYPAINT Version 1.0 - Release
Copyright (c) 1988 by Michael Cox - All rights reserved
SkyPix graphics protocol Copyright (c) 1988 by Michael Cox
Brought to you by INCOGNITO software
The file "AtrTerm.DOC" for Atredes/Skypix "demo term" v1.1 has the following copyright at the bottom of the file:
ATREDES, SKYPIX, and SKYPAINT are Copyright © 1988, 1989
Michael Cox. All rights reserved worldwide.
Or the "SkyPlay.doc" documentation file for the SkyPlay Skypix File Player:
SkyPlay is Copyright (c) 1989 by Michael Cox but is FREELY REDISTRIBUTABLE.
The Skypix Graphics Protocol is Copyright (c) 1988, 1989 by Michael Cox.
The ATREDES BBS SYSTEM is Copyright (c) 1988, 1989 by Michael Cox.
Anyway, I feel like the content of these contemporary files far outweighs Scott Lee's vague recollection nearly 20 years later.
So I would suggest removing this source, and changing 1987 to 1988.
Also, please note the same problem exists in the Skypix article. I have made the same suggestion in Talk:Skypix.
Kirkman ( talk) 00:41, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
@ Kirkman:Hearing no dissent, I have corrected the article with changes based on my argument above.
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Interesting perspectives in The New York Times recently on trades at Burlington Central Arena hockey facility conference swaps of volumes of data. How were the labels coded DECO for full lockbox volume trading on floppies with illegal material including bomb-making data and Rand Corporation Arpanet Vietnam War era files related to the Seattle riots during the 1990's and library public access via terminal? LED BodyBuilding ( talk) 09:23, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
References
Again access to these files without personal research is near impossible related to US Robotics, baud systems, internal security at Sheraton hotel conference Yorkville Toronto and other systems that we might have to find Bill Gates to explain. How can this section be unadulterated without personal research into this murky underworld? LED BodyBuilding ( talk) 09:33, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
References
A recent edit by user:DesertPipeline added a {{ cn}} template to a footnote claiming that an Automatic Calling Unit was not eceonomically viable. Does anybody have access to ACU prices during the BBS era? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul ( talk) 16:43, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
Is the knowledge so self-evident that it really does not need to be cited at all?in Wikipedia:Citation needed#When to use this tag and WP:BLUE would apply. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul ( talk) 14:31, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
The "Presentation" section of this article says "The Amiga Skyline BBS software was the first in 1987 featuring a script markup language communication protocol called Skypix..."
To support this assertion, it cites part of an email to Jason Scott, producer/director of The BBS Documentary, from Scott Lee, a later maintainer of the SkyPix technology. The relevant passage of Lee's email says "This was all around the '87 time frame which I think pegs it as the first graphical point & click BBS UI..." (emphasis added)
This is hardly authoritative. It's just a vague recollection.
(Making it worse, the WP citation lists the publisher as "Jason Scott for Wired Magazine (?)". This is nonsensical. The excerpted email is hosted on Jason Scott's bbsdocumentary.com website, which has nothing to do with Wired.)
In fact, a search of discmaster.textfiles.com for contemporary releases of SkyPix-related software, turns up no evidence in support of a 1987 date.
For example, the title screen for SkyPaint v1.0 says "1988", not "1987":
SKYPAINT Version 1.0 - Release
Copyright (c) 1988 by Michael Cox - All rights reserved
SkyPix graphics protocol Copyright (c) 1988 by Michael Cox
Brought to you by INCOGNITO software
The file "AtrTerm.DOC" for Atredes/Skypix "demo term" v1.1 has the following copyright at the bottom of the file:
ATREDES, SKYPIX, and SKYPAINT are Copyright © 1988, 1989
Michael Cox. All rights reserved worldwide.
Or the "SkyPlay.doc" documentation file for the SkyPlay Skypix File Player:
SkyPlay is Copyright (c) 1989 by Michael Cox but is FREELY REDISTRIBUTABLE.
The Skypix Graphics Protocol is Copyright (c) 1988, 1989 by Michael Cox.
The ATREDES BBS SYSTEM is Copyright (c) 1988, 1989 by Michael Cox.
Anyway, I feel like the content of these contemporary files far outweighs Scott Lee's vague recollection nearly 20 years later.
So I would suggest removing this source, and changing 1987 to 1988.
Also, please note the same problem exists in the Skypix article. I have made the same suggestion in Talk:Skypix.
Kirkman ( talk) 00:41, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
@ Kirkman:Hearing no dissent, I have corrected the article with changes based on my argument above.