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The article Maria Elena Holly has previously been merged and turned into a redirect after consensus was reached in an AfD discussion. It was restored from some version recently. That may be a good faith edit and there seems to be some good content in that article. So I'll put this up for merge discussion instead of just reverting, but since there was already consensus it can probably be done quickly. Averell ( talk) 22:08, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
There's a lot of good material here, and with a bit of work this could be brought up to GA status. More referencing is needed, and then trimming and tidying some of the sections. More info is needed on the music and critical assessment. It's all possible. Probably doable in a month or two. Let's do it! SilkTork * YES! 10:46, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Can someone figure out why footnotes in this article, numbered 14 and beyond, cannot be accessed? Dennis Fernkes ( talk) 17:01, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Tribute and popular culture material tends to be problematic in a number of articles. I am moving some of the material here for discussion. Unsourced material shouldn't be returned to the article, and thought should be given to the importance of some of this material. That Kurt Cobain wore glasses like Buddy Holly is of dubious significance to the Buddy Holly article, though may be something worth mentioning on the Kurt Cobain article. SilkTork * YES! 12:06, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
More popular culture material:
I set out one night in June
Stoned by the glow of the Texas moon
Humming an old Buddy Holly tune called " Peggy Sue"
With my favorite jeans
And a cheap guitar
I ran off chasing a distant star
If Buddy Holly could make it that far
I figured I could too
Some of this material might be worked into articles on the artists themselves. SilkTork * YES! 18:54, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
I deleted this section, (which is not really about Buddy Holly's musical or cultural legacy, but instead rather awkwardly details a squabble between Holly's widow and the town of Lubbock, Texas) because it is off-topic and adds nothing to the reader's understanding of the subject of the article. This material belongs in the Maria Elena Holly article if anywhere. Jgm ( talk) 19:45, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
In this article, the weather in which Buddy Holly met his demise is described as a "light snow and gusty winds." The weather in the Ritchie Valens article is described as a "blinding snowstorm." How can the same air crash happen in two different levels of weather severity?
His tombestone states Buddy Holley and not Holly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzgSFJEsg1I&feature=related
fast forward to the last 10 seconds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.132.182.80 ( talk) 09:57, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, I understand now.(overlooked the pic) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.132.182.80 ( talk) 08:19, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Parked outside José Enciso's Triple XXX Root Beer in Issaquah, Washington is what is at least claimed to be the bus from the "tour from hell". An Issaquah Press article (linked from photo description on Commons) indicates that there is some doubt about its provenance, so I hesitate to add it to the article. Someone else's call. - Jmabel | Talk 05:14, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Wasn't there a rumour current at one time that Buddy holly had survived the plane crash but being badly injured and scarred had adopted a whole new identity and living some where else? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.93.199.154 ( talk) 09:22, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
This sentence: "Up until the Beatles and Keith Richards, Holly was the only rock musician writing his own material." is simply not not true- other musicians were writing and having success with their own compositions well before the Beatles and Keith Richards, Billy Fury being a good example (UK#18 with 'Maybe Tomorrow' in 1959 and UK# 9 with 'Collette' in 1960, both self-written). 90.196.10.64 ( talk) 23:15, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Is Buddy Holly ever referred to as king of rock and roll? Is this something that should be considered for inclusion in this article? 174.30.246.212 ( talk) 01:31, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
67.86.22.51 ( talk) 03:35, 23 November 2010 (UTC)Not to sound rude, but Elvis Presley is much more popular than Buddy Holly, so I wouldn't think he'd ever have that nickname.
I was surprised to see the article rated C class. B class criteria and my evaluation of this article:
Unless anyone can provide some compelling evidence to the contrary, I think this article ought to be raised to B Class. -- btphelps ( talk) ( contribs) 02:30, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Jezhotwells ( talk) 20:03, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
I shall be reviewing this article against the Good Article criteria, following its nomination for Good Article status.
Disambiguations: found two, fixed one and created a redlink for John Pickering (musician). [1] Jezhotwells ( talk) 20:13, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
Linkrot: Found one, and removed Rock Hall of fame El as this is already used as a refrence as per WP:EL; also removed Buddy Holly Center, Lubbock as already used as a reference. [2] Jezhotwells ( talk) 20:22, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
"a lot of unreferenced material here" - I see "citation needed" all over the place yet I have easily cross-referenced a few by quickly looking at, for example, the Beatles page. I'm not any good at this, so someone else should remove these and add the proper references rather than defacing the article and asking for references when they are easily found on related pages. LinoPop ( talk) 07:35, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
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The article Maria Elena Holly has previously been merged and turned into a redirect after consensus was reached in an AfD discussion. It was restored from some version recently. That may be a good faith edit and there seems to be some good content in that article. So I'll put this up for merge discussion instead of just reverting, but since there was already consensus it can probably be done quickly. Averell ( talk) 22:08, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
There's a lot of good material here, and with a bit of work this could be brought up to GA status. More referencing is needed, and then trimming and tidying some of the sections. More info is needed on the music and critical assessment. It's all possible. Probably doable in a month or two. Let's do it! SilkTork * YES! 10:46, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Can someone figure out why footnotes in this article, numbered 14 and beyond, cannot be accessed? Dennis Fernkes ( talk) 17:01, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Tribute and popular culture material tends to be problematic in a number of articles. I am moving some of the material here for discussion. Unsourced material shouldn't be returned to the article, and thought should be given to the importance of some of this material. That Kurt Cobain wore glasses like Buddy Holly is of dubious significance to the Buddy Holly article, though may be something worth mentioning on the Kurt Cobain article. SilkTork * YES! 12:06, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
More popular culture material:
I set out one night in June
Stoned by the glow of the Texas moon
Humming an old Buddy Holly tune called " Peggy Sue"
With my favorite jeans
And a cheap guitar
I ran off chasing a distant star
If Buddy Holly could make it that far
I figured I could too
Some of this material might be worked into articles on the artists themselves. SilkTork * YES! 18:54, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
I deleted this section, (which is not really about Buddy Holly's musical or cultural legacy, but instead rather awkwardly details a squabble between Holly's widow and the town of Lubbock, Texas) because it is off-topic and adds nothing to the reader's understanding of the subject of the article. This material belongs in the Maria Elena Holly article if anywhere. Jgm ( talk) 19:45, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
In this article, the weather in which Buddy Holly met his demise is described as a "light snow and gusty winds." The weather in the Ritchie Valens article is described as a "blinding snowstorm." How can the same air crash happen in two different levels of weather severity?
His tombestone states Buddy Holley and not Holly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzgSFJEsg1I&feature=related
fast forward to the last 10 seconds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.132.182.80 ( talk) 09:57, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, I understand now.(overlooked the pic) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.132.182.80 ( talk) 08:19, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Parked outside José Enciso's Triple XXX Root Beer in Issaquah, Washington is what is at least claimed to be the bus from the "tour from hell". An Issaquah Press article (linked from photo description on Commons) indicates that there is some doubt about its provenance, so I hesitate to add it to the article. Someone else's call. - Jmabel | Talk 05:14, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
Wasn't there a rumour current at one time that Buddy holly had survived the plane crash but being badly injured and scarred had adopted a whole new identity and living some where else? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.93.199.154 ( talk) 09:22, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
This sentence: "Up until the Beatles and Keith Richards, Holly was the only rock musician writing his own material." is simply not not true- other musicians were writing and having success with their own compositions well before the Beatles and Keith Richards, Billy Fury being a good example (UK#18 with 'Maybe Tomorrow' in 1959 and UK# 9 with 'Collette' in 1960, both self-written). 90.196.10.64 ( talk) 23:15, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Is Buddy Holly ever referred to as king of rock and roll? Is this something that should be considered for inclusion in this article? 174.30.246.212 ( talk) 01:31, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
67.86.22.51 ( talk) 03:35, 23 November 2010 (UTC)Not to sound rude, but Elvis Presley is much more popular than Buddy Holly, so I wouldn't think he'd ever have that nickname.
I was surprised to see the article rated C class. B class criteria and my evaluation of this article:
Unless anyone can provide some compelling evidence to the contrary, I think this article ought to be raised to B Class. -- btphelps ( talk) ( contribs) 02:30, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
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Reviewing |
Reviewer: Jezhotwells ( talk) 20:03, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
I shall be reviewing this article against the Good Article criteria, following its nomination for Good Article status.
Disambiguations: found two, fixed one and created a redlink for John Pickering (musician). [1] Jezhotwells ( talk) 20:13, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
Linkrot: Found one, and removed Rock Hall of fame El as this is already used as a refrence as per WP:EL; also removed Buddy Holly Center, Lubbock as already used as a reference. [2] Jezhotwells ( talk) 20:22, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
"a lot of unreferenced material here" - I see "citation needed" all over the place yet I have easily cross-referenced a few by quickly looking at, for example, the Beatles page. I'm not any good at this, so someone else should remove these and add the proper references rather than defacing the article and asking for references when they are easily found on related pages. LinoPop ( talk) 07:35, 8 January 2011 (UTC)