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Have similar iodinated lipids been tried as replacements for the possibly harmful brominated ones? Iodized oils have been used as contrast agents and for goiter prophylaxis in populations with low dietary iodine intake, so it seems possible that a lipid with about 3/4 as many iodine atoms would serve as a replacement without BVO's risk of interfering with iodine uptake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CharlesHBennettW ( talk • contribs) 14:29, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Reference 13 isn't a reliable source for non USA information. http://www.mayoclinic.org/bvo/expert-answers/faq-20058236
Should be changed to a European site such as http://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/topics/topic/bfr ?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.57.96.1 ( talk) 22:05, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
External link is dead @ university of minnesota. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.159.226.154 ( talk) 01:33, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
What's this bit about Egypt? What's the source? I'm inclined not to believe it due to its awkward placement and uncapitalised "e" in Egypt.-- Dustin Asby 00:54, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
I don't think the health risks should be stated so bluntly with only one case study to support them. This reads like an overreaction to a food additive. OngoingCivilUnrest 06:08, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Just don't understand, why they didn't used iodine instead of bromine, wouldn't it be better? Iodine is heavier, so to achieve the same density, you have to add less IVO than BVO. And maybe it can actually give health benefit to those who have iodine deficiency. 188.163.104.178 ( talk) 17:12, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
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There is no citation for any of the drinks listed as having BVO. I know that Mountain Dew does, in fact, have it, but Mello Yello does not (I removed this) and I haven't checked the other drinks. This info has been repeated around the web (the drinks list) and it seems WP is the source of it. These companies might be a bit upset if their product doesn't have it, and WP is the source of the disinformation. I suggest the specific drink names be removed from the opening section unless a citation is provided. Vizzini101 ( talk) 01:27, 4 December 2008 (UTC)Vizzini101
Every variety of Mountain dew is still listed on a Pepsi web site
http://www.pepsiproductfacts.com/infobyproduct.php?p=1049.1000.3480&s=8&pc=p1062&t=1027&print=1
and
http://pepsiproductfacts.com/infobycategory.php?pc=p1062&t=1026&print=1&i=fingrdnt&s=8
Other pepsi products: (retrieved 3/8/2010)
Coca-cola products:
[ [1]]
If nobody objects, I'll add this list back to the main article after other comments are reviewed Watchpup ( talk) 23:53, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
-- Stone ( talk) 11:29, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Regarding this change, I think it removes some cited content and introduces inaccuracies and uncited opinions.
DMacks ( talk) 18:11, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
The reference is written by food analysts who are not expert in beverage technology, so they are not a good source of information on the point that we are discussing. I'll try and come up with something better, but like most formulation science, it is not well documented, partly for commercial reasons. Prof. McClements of UMass has some relevant articles, I think.
- OK for the "ugly" - beginner's mistake. Ring formation makes the beverage look "off" to consumers, so what term do you prefer? Beverage emulsions never get to the point of forming a separate oil layer. The droplets just form a dense ring in the meniscus.
- BVO is not added for a cloudy appearance. Straight vegetable oil would have the same effect at a much lower cost & no storm of consumer complaints.
- the use of the term "emulsifier" is flat wrong. Emulsifier are interfacially active. BVO is not. BVO changes the oil density, that's all. It slows down the Stokes velocity of the droplets. "Stabilizer" could be acceptable, but this functionality is not in the list under that term in Wikipedia.
- the idea that the amount of bromine added is adjusted is flat wrong too. The molecules in the Bendig article are unsaturated fatty acids which are fully brominated. Pepsi and Coke do not play with degree of bromination of BVO. They buy a product of standard density and adjust its amount to get the appropriate density oil phase, including allowing for the effect of sugar in the water. I do not have a reference for that, because none exists. - To be continued... AlanParkerFrance ( talk) 22:55, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
Removed reference to PepsiCo removing ingredient due to petition. In AP followup story, PepsiCo representative has denied that the petition was the cause of them removing the ingredient, and the plan to replace it had been in the works for a year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.63.145.185 ( talk) 21:49, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
BVO is an alternative to SAIB and glyceryl ester of abietic acid. These three substances are all weighting agents: they are used to increase the density of citrus oils, to prevent the droplets rising to the top of the beverage. They are definitely not emulsifiers. Therefore I am removing references to gum Arabic that is an emulsifier. AlanParkerFrance ( talk) 23:00, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
The last edit added a ref to a patent that contained a variety of partially or fully brominated oils - not specifically vegetable oil. "(a) quick-drying unsaturated oil(s), (b) terpene-containing volatile oil, (c) phosphate ester and (d) a boron compound as fungicidal component, in which the oils are at least partly brominated." Thus, BVO itself is not patented as a flame retardant according to that source. The patent is for a flame retardant made from a mixture of those compounds, and it appears on the the first would potentially be a vegetable oil. Also, the original reference (the USA Today article) only says "In her petitions, Sarah Kavanagh noted that the ingredient has been patented as a flame retardant and isn't approved for use in Japan and the European Union." Pcwendland ( talk) 14:29, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
I think my issue with the USA Today article you cited is that it's not USA Today (pretty reliable) saying so - it's them saying "In her petitions, Sarah Kavanagh noted that the ingredient has been patented as a flame retardant" [1] (not so reliable. It reminds me of language like "Allegedly, the man took an alleged sum of around $1,000" - almost trying to avoid blame if something is indeed wrong). However, two other USA Today pages from within the last couple of weeks say " the controversy comes from the bromine, an ingredient also in brominated flame retardants" [2] (implying that BVO and brominated flame retardants both contain bromine... a whole lot of other things contain bromine too) and "The petition on Change.org noted that the ingredient is linked to a flame retardant" [3] ("linked to"). Regardless, I do acknowledge that the patent you cited does support its use as a fire retardant - and I agree that the "this thing is used in this non-food thing!" talk is nothing but a scare tactic. "There's de-icer in my food! The aspirin I take is related to rat poison! We better throw out everything we own and only eat raw organic kale forever. But oh no, the sulfur in the kale is also used as a pesticide! Might as well thrive on only oxygen now. But oxygen is a chemical!" Pcwendland ( talk) 19:40, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
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Near the start the article says BVO is used in PepsiCO drinks. Near the end it says PepsiCO stopped use of BVO in May of 2014. Almost a year ago. So what's the deal here? Lots42 ( talk) 15:14, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
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Have similar iodinated lipids been tried as replacements for the possibly harmful brominated ones? Iodized oils have been used as contrast agents and for goiter prophylaxis in populations with low dietary iodine intake, so it seems possible that a lipid with about 3/4 as many iodine atoms would serve as a replacement without BVO's risk of interfering with iodine uptake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CharlesHBennettW ( talk • contribs) 14:29, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Reference 13 isn't a reliable source for non USA information. http://www.mayoclinic.org/bvo/expert-answers/faq-20058236
Should be changed to a European site such as http://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/topics/topic/bfr ?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.57.96.1 ( talk) 22:05, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
External link is dead @ university of minnesota. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.159.226.154 ( talk) 01:33, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
What's this bit about Egypt? What's the source? I'm inclined not to believe it due to its awkward placement and uncapitalised "e" in Egypt.-- Dustin Asby 00:54, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
I don't think the health risks should be stated so bluntly with only one case study to support them. This reads like an overreaction to a food additive. OngoingCivilUnrest 06:08, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Just don't understand, why they didn't used iodine instead of bromine, wouldn't it be better? Iodine is heavier, so to achieve the same density, you have to add less IVO than BVO. And maybe it can actually give health benefit to those who have iodine deficiency. 188.163.104.178 ( talk) 17:12, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
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There is no citation for any of the drinks listed as having BVO. I know that Mountain Dew does, in fact, have it, but Mello Yello does not (I removed this) and I haven't checked the other drinks. This info has been repeated around the web (the drinks list) and it seems WP is the source of it. These companies might be a bit upset if their product doesn't have it, and WP is the source of the disinformation. I suggest the specific drink names be removed from the opening section unless a citation is provided. Vizzini101 ( talk) 01:27, 4 December 2008 (UTC)Vizzini101
Every variety of Mountain dew is still listed on a Pepsi web site
http://www.pepsiproductfacts.com/infobyproduct.php?p=1049.1000.3480&s=8&pc=p1062&t=1027&print=1
and
http://pepsiproductfacts.com/infobycategory.php?pc=p1062&t=1026&print=1&i=fingrdnt&s=8
Other pepsi products: (retrieved 3/8/2010)
Coca-cola products:
[ [1]]
If nobody objects, I'll add this list back to the main article after other comments are reviewed Watchpup ( talk) 23:53, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
-- Stone ( talk) 11:29, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Regarding this change, I think it removes some cited content and introduces inaccuracies and uncited opinions.
DMacks ( talk) 18:11, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
The reference is written by food analysts who are not expert in beverage technology, so they are not a good source of information on the point that we are discussing. I'll try and come up with something better, but like most formulation science, it is not well documented, partly for commercial reasons. Prof. McClements of UMass has some relevant articles, I think.
- OK for the "ugly" - beginner's mistake. Ring formation makes the beverage look "off" to consumers, so what term do you prefer? Beverage emulsions never get to the point of forming a separate oil layer. The droplets just form a dense ring in the meniscus.
- BVO is not added for a cloudy appearance. Straight vegetable oil would have the same effect at a much lower cost & no storm of consumer complaints.
- the use of the term "emulsifier" is flat wrong. Emulsifier are interfacially active. BVO is not. BVO changes the oil density, that's all. It slows down the Stokes velocity of the droplets. "Stabilizer" could be acceptable, but this functionality is not in the list under that term in Wikipedia.
- the idea that the amount of bromine added is adjusted is flat wrong too. The molecules in the Bendig article are unsaturated fatty acids which are fully brominated. Pepsi and Coke do not play with degree of bromination of BVO. They buy a product of standard density and adjust its amount to get the appropriate density oil phase, including allowing for the effect of sugar in the water. I do not have a reference for that, because none exists. - To be continued... AlanParkerFrance ( talk) 22:55, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
Removed reference to PepsiCo removing ingredient due to petition. In AP followup story, PepsiCo representative has denied that the petition was the cause of them removing the ingredient, and the plan to replace it had been in the works for a year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.63.145.185 ( talk) 21:49, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
BVO is an alternative to SAIB and glyceryl ester of abietic acid. These three substances are all weighting agents: they are used to increase the density of citrus oils, to prevent the droplets rising to the top of the beverage. They are definitely not emulsifiers. Therefore I am removing references to gum Arabic that is an emulsifier. AlanParkerFrance ( talk) 23:00, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
The last edit added a ref to a patent that contained a variety of partially or fully brominated oils - not specifically vegetable oil. "(a) quick-drying unsaturated oil(s), (b) terpene-containing volatile oil, (c) phosphate ester and (d) a boron compound as fungicidal component, in which the oils are at least partly brominated." Thus, BVO itself is not patented as a flame retardant according to that source. The patent is for a flame retardant made from a mixture of those compounds, and it appears on the the first would potentially be a vegetable oil. Also, the original reference (the USA Today article) only says "In her petitions, Sarah Kavanagh noted that the ingredient has been patented as a flame retardant and isn't approved for use in Japan and the European Union." Pcwendland ( talk) 14:29, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
I think my issue with the USA Today article you cited is that it's not USA Today (pretty reliable) saying so - it's them saying "In her petitions, Sarah Kavanagh noted that the ingredient has been patented as a flame retardant" [1] (not so reliable. It reminds me of language like "Allegedly, the man took an alleged sum of around $1,000" - almost trying to avoid blame if something is indeed wrong). However, two other USA Today pages from within the last couple of weeks say " the controversy comes from the bromine, an ingredient also in brominated flame retardants" [2] (implying that BVO and brominated flame retardants both contain bromine... a whole lot of other things contain bromine too) and "The petition on Change.org noted that the ingredient is linked to a flame retardant" [3] ("linked to"). Regardless, I do acknowledge that the patent you cited does support its use as a fire retardant - and I agree that the "this thing is used in this non-food thing!" talk is nothing but a scare tactic. "There's de-icer in my food! The aspirin I take is related to rat poison! We better throw out everything we own and only eat raw organic kale forever. But oh no, the sulfur in the kale is also used as a pesticide! Might as well thrive on only oxygen now. But oxygen is a chemical!" Pcwendland ( talk) 19:40, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
References
Near the start the article says BVO is used in PepsiCO drinks. Near the end it says PepsiCO stopped use of BVO in May of 2014. Almost a year ago. So what's the deal here? Lots42 ( talk) 15:14, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
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