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Horsepower is not stated but I assume it will be 3,300 bhp like the British Rail Class 66. Mock wurzel soup ( talk) 18:56, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
I'm puzzled about this. Emission compliance for the Class 69 is said to be EU Stage IIIA but I thought this was no longer good enough and was preventing the building of more Class 66s. Perhaps, as the Class 69s will be rebuilds from Class 56, they have grandfather rights. Mock wurzel soup ( talk) 19:02, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
I'm a bit puzzled as the proposed numbering is listed as 69001 to 69016; I see they have purchased 16 units, but one of the purchased locos is listed as apparently to be stripped for spares. Does this mean it won't be rebuilt (and therefore not enter the fleet?). So maybe the numbering should rather be up to 69015? Andywebby ( talk) 17:09, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
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Apparently the info for 69 005 refers to the former 56 128. Can we please double check and amend if necessary. Mjroots ( talk) 09:15, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
Was hunting for citations for 69005's livery and I've found a link to a website with some images on it - would this be usable as a temporary citation until better ones are avaliable? https://www.47soton.co.uk/2022/04/69005-eastleigh-leaves-eastleigh-works.html MajorScafellPike ( talk) 16:55, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
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The second para states that the conversion would be akin to the reengining of the Class 47 into the Class 57
. But the 57's were more than just a re-engining. I would suggest re-engineering? I'm okay with being wrong, but it just looks odd in its current state. Regards.
The joy of all things (
talk)
15:20, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
Do we need the first run dates of every locomotive? Seems a bit fancrufty to me. If we extend that to the class 47, we have 512 first run dates. Surely just the first one, which was eventful enough for the class and that's it? Ta. The joy of all things ( talk) 13:58, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
insulting to well-meaning contributorsand that it would be more civil to use terms like "unencyclopedic" or "excessively detailed" that have their basis in policy. XAM2175 (T) 22:26, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
removed European numbers, the locos do not carry them, do not work in Europe and are not considered for UIC, much like most of the rest of the UK fleet and is not relevent or mentioned in those articles either.and was reverted. I raised a suggestion here that the first-run data was not perhaps appropriate or unencylopedic, and looked for either support or to be informed it was worthwhile. You decided that the UIC data was not work retaining, even though it was cited, over the first-run data, which was uncited. Would you like to look at your comment above and show me what you did was any better than what I only suggested? You accused me of having a "dominating position" and being ignorant about the locomotives identity. That's not either correct, or fair, given your removal without consent. The joy of all things ( talk) 06:04, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
highly unusual for any locomotive of any class in the UK to carry [an EVN], but incorrect to say
[it] is not in common use in the UK, because Regulation 36 of the Railways (Interoperability) Regulations 2011 (SI 2011 No. 3066) mandates the establishment and upkeep of a National Vehicle Register for the UK, and that a European Vehicle Number be assigned to every vehicle so entered on the register. This applies to every mainline-registered vehicle in Great Britain, including those that entered service prior to the regulations taking effect, and regardless of whether or not the vehicle will ever be used outside of Great Britain.
[the] system of numbering in the UK for locomotives is TOPS; rather, RIS-2453-RST provides the ranges from which "GB operational numbers" are drawn. For convenience, these broadly continue the TOPS conventions and embed them inside EVNs – hence, for example, GB number 69002 appears inside EVN 92 70 0069 002-8.
References
“orrAuth”
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Would it be useful to add to the article that Class 69 trains have gone under trial on the Elizabeth Line as a recovery train for stuck Class 345 trains in tunnels 154.61.128.137 ( talk) 18:52, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
Could somebody please keep an eye out for if/when GBRf announces a change to the 'donor' vehicles for the additional Class 69s. I have been informed internally that the donor vehicles for 015 and 016 will be changing, but as usual this can't make its way onto Wikipedia until we see a press release. DAB ( talk) 07:48, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
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Horsepower is not stated but I assume it will be 3,300 bhp like the British Rail Class 66. Mock wurzel soup ( talk) 18:56, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
I'm puzzled about this. Emission compliance for the Class 69 is said to be EU Stage IIIA but I thought this was no longer good enough and was preventing the building of more Class 66s. Perhaps, as the Class 69s will be rebuilds from Class 56, they have grandfather rights. Mock wurzel soup ( talk) 19:02, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
I'm a bit puzzled as the proposed numbering is listed as 69001 to 69016; I see they have purchased 16 units, but one of the purchased locos is listed as apparently to be stripped for spares. Does this mean it won't be rebuilt (and therefore not enter the fleet?). So maybe the numbering should rather be up to 69015? Andywebby ( talk) 17:09, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. The material was copied from:
https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2021/02/what-next-for-class-69-locomotives-69001-and-69002-mid-march-stay-at-the-severn-valley-railway.html. Copied or closely paraphrased material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see
"using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or
"donating copyrighted materials" if you are.)
For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, and, if allowed under fair use, may copy sentences and phrases, provided they are included in quotation marks and referenced properly. The material may also be rewritten, providing it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Therefore, such paraphrased portions must provide their source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. SK2242 ( talk) 12:04, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
Apparently the info for 69 005 refers to the former 56 128. Can we please double check and amend if necessary. Mjroots ( talk) 09:15, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
Was hunting for citations for 69005's livery and I've found a link to a website with some images on it - would this be usable as a temporary citation until better ones are avaliable? https://www.47soton.co.uk/2022/04/69005-eastleigh-leaves-eastleigh-works.html MajorScafellPike ( talk) 16:55, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
References
The second para states that the conversion would be akin to the reengining of the Class 47 into the Class 57
. But the 57's were more than just a re-engining. I would suggest re-engineering? I'm okay with being wrong, but it just looks odd in its current state. Regards.
The joy of all things (
talk)
15:20, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
Do we need the first run dates of every locomotive? Seems a bit fancrufty to me. If we extend that to the class 47, we have 512 first run dates. Surely just the first one, which was eventful enough for the class and that's it? Ta. The joy of all things ( talk) 13:58, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
insulting to well-meaning contributorsand that it would be more civil to use terms like "unencyclopedic" or "excessively detailed" that have their basis in policy. XAM2175 (T) 22:26, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
removed European numbers, the locos do not carry them, do not work in Europe and are not considered for UIC, much like most of the rest of the UK fleet and is not relevent or mentioned in those articles either.and was reverted. I raised a suggestion here that the first-run data was not perhaps appropriate or unencylopedic, and looked for either support or to be informed it was worthwhile. You decided that the UIC data was not work retaining, even though it was cited, over the first-run data, which was uncited. Would you like to look at your comment above and show me what you did was any better than what I only suggested? You accused me of having a "dominating position" and being ignorant about the locomotives identity. That's not either correct, or fair, given your removal without consent. The joy of all things ( talk) 06:04, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
highly unusual for any locomotive of any class in the UK to carry [an EVN], but incorrect to say
[it] is not in common use in the UK, because Regulation 36 of the Railways (Interoperability) Regulations 2011 (SI 2011 No. 3066) mandates the establishment and upkeep of a National Vehicle Register for the UK, and that a European Vehicle Number be assigned to every vehicle so entered on the register. This applies to every mainline-registered vehicle in Great Britain, including those that entered service prior to the regulations taking effect, and regardless of whether or not the vehicle will ever be used outside of Great Britain.
[the] system of numbering in the UK for locomotives is TOPS; rather, RIS-2453-RST provides the ranges from which "GB operational numbers" are drawn. For convenience, these broadly continue the TOPS conventions and embed them inside EVNs – hence, for example, GB number 69002 appears inside EVN 92 70 0069 002-8.
References
“orrAuth”
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Would it be useful to add to the article that Class 69 trains have gone under trial on the Elizabeth Line as a recovery train for stuck Class 345 trains in tunnels 154.61.128.137 ( talk) 18:52, 16 June 2023 (UTC)
Could somebody please keep an eye out for if/when GBRf announces a change to the 'donor' vehicles for the additional Class 69s. I have been informed internally that the donor vehicles for 015 and 016 will be changing, but as usual this can't make its way onto Wikipedia until we see a press release. DAB ( talk) 07:48, 6 August 2023 (UTC)