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Is it just me or are local churches now swamping the external links section? Maybe a subsection is required about churches in the town in the same way as there is a section on sport, parks & open spaces? DaveK@BTC 12:12, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
I have had no reaction on this comment/question I posed above. Of the external links there are now more than 50% relating to churches in Brentwood.
* Brentwood Borough Council - Welcome to Brentwood (PDF) * Brentwood - White's Directory of Essex, 1848 * Churches in Brentwood - The Website of Churches Together in Brentwood * Brentwood Baptist Church - Brentwood Baptist Church * BBC's H2G2 Entry on Brentwood - The Guide to Life, The Universe and Everything * Brentwood Directory - A free directory/portal specifically for Brentwood * Phoenix FM - Community radio license holder for Brentwood * Boredtown - A Resident's Views on Brentwood Life * Sawyers Church Brentwood - A Brentwood town centre Church * Brentwood Freecycle Network - Online recycling service * The Roman Catholic Diocese of Brentwood * Dodd Road Community Church - Dodd Road Community Church * St. Peter's Church South Weald - St. Peter's Church South Weald
I do not believe that Brentwood is 50% preoccupied with Christian religion and consider this to be unencyclopaedic material adding little in the way of any true perspective about the town. Those churches that have historic interest ought have that historic material reflected here; maybe with a suitable link to the church website for further detail, those undertaking activities that are not 'day-to-day' religion and could be considered outstanding would also merit mention perhaps; otherwise are the links not little more than ad spam? DaveK@BTC 22:48, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I certainly agree that the derogatory remarks recently made about the Sugar Hut were inappropriate but it must be said that the current owners of what used to be the White Hart have hidden all but the facade of what used to be a historically interesting building easily accessible to the public as a walk though to what is now William Hunter Way. I believe it to be the case theet the owners have also been accused, if not yet found guilty, of having breached planning consents in somewhat over-zealous re-construction. DaveK@BTC 16:27, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Ahem, I just read this and I have to say I've seen some implausible nonsense on the internet, but why would they import elephants from India to Essex, train them, and send them back to India? I lived there and I never heard about it. Maybe this was the work of a comedian, but then Brentwood School alumni include Douglas Adams, Griff Rhys-Jones, and Keith Allen. And Noel Edmunds. And Hardy Amies. And Frank Lampard Jr. - Anon comment put in main article
It also makes more sense if you consider that the East India Company wanted to train their men to be used to working with Elephants before they went abroad rather than training the elephants. This way they would be productive from day one rather than spend their first 3 months learning the local ropes. DaveK@BTC 12:57, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
I've just noticed that the town info quotes Brentwood as being postcode CM14. It certainly also covers CM15 and possibly other CM codes as well. -- DaveK@BTC 12:53, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Actually CM15 extends right up Doddinghurst Road to junction with Ongar Road - just 5 minutes walk from High St so pretty much Brentwood. DaveK@BTC 09:25, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Why pose the question 'Is Brentwood a boring town?' It is transparently obvious to all those who live there that this is true, and it must be even more stark to visitors. Fortuitously for residents, it has the saving grace of being situated right next to London, and since the town's proximity to London is the reason that most of us live here, the town itself being dull as s*** is not that much of a problem. Who cares when we live on the edge of the greatest city in the world? And flighty lives in Brentwood as well.
Mate you're an irretrievable cretin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.205.17.135 ( talk) 13:59, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Fairly stupid really. Brentwood is just a town, some shops, houses, few pubs....just like hundreds of other towns. There's nothing particularly interesting about any of them, but theres no specific reason why Brentwood should be singled out as being any more boring than the others. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.75.166 ( talk) 09:27, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
The History section says:
"Robert Graves claims that Brentwood was the site of the battle where Claudius defeated the Ancient Britons in 44AD."
I know that in one of the Claudius books ('I, Claudius' or 'Claudius the God') Graves writes about the battle taking place in Brentwood, but my understanding was that this was fictional and has no basis in fact.
Would it be reasonable to say that either a source should be added to this text or it should make clear that it is not a "claim" but a "fictional account"?
A significant edit was undertaken on this date by Mrsteviec - I have emailed the following questions to him:
Hi - just noticed your (extensive) update to the Brentwood entry. Can you explain why you felt it necessary to:
1. remove the material on schoools in the area? Many town entries on Wikipedia have this information which is normally considered to be quite useful to know about; 2. change the emphasis from Essex to London (maybe as a Londoner you feel the need to lay claim to Brentwood) because much of Brentwood is rural and certainly considers itself to be an integral part of Essex and most definitly not much at all to do with London; 3. remove the notable institutions piece - Brentwood School (although not quite my cup of tes) is a significant aspect of the town; 4. cull the nearest places for no apparent good reason.
Always open to the entry moving forward but only if it adds to relevant knowledge base of the town. DaveK@BTC 10:14, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi - wasn't aware there was also a 'Borough' entry so thanks for that - will need to look at it now and see what it has to say. However, living in the area as I do I would suggest that locally Brentwood is considered as a larger area than just the built-up part adjacent to the town centre and is thought of as being a whole with the 'villages' surrounding including South Weald, Pilgrims Hatch, Kelvedon Hatch, Ingrave, Herongate etc... and, indeed, Shenfield, Hutton etc... That includes one whole large part of countryside by which Brentwoodians would identify themselves. On the same basis I would think (personally) that most would consider themselves to be Essex first and London second and so the introductory piece should be reversed back to 'Essex and part of the London commuter belt' rather than the reverse. Would be interested to hear the views of anybody else actually living in Brentwood. DaveK@BTC 23:02, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
It's a matter of precedence only. As phrased Brentwood is considered first as part of the commuter belt (suggesting a precedence and, possibly, a dependence) and then indirectly referenced as part of Essex. DaveK@BTC 08:23, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to take issue with the map being used, it is certainly detailed but I would suggest overly so and not really all that helpful. The marker, for instance, is the same colour as urban areas which, being london, means it gets a bit lost in the crowd. -- Shadebug 12:58, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Slightly pedantic update, but removed "punk" from the description of InME. They are a nu-metal band, nothing like punk rock :) -- TheDigger
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I felt it pertinent to add a few details on the Arts in BRENTWOOD. Anyone who lives in the borough will recognise that there is a lively Arts scene. Little mention may lead to the conclusion that Brentwood is indeed "boring". I would be grateful for others comments Polymathkid ( talk) 14:27, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
I find it surprising that there is no entry on the connection of Brentwood with Vaughan Williams. I have added a brief one, though I feel a more thorough entry is needed. Polymathkid ( talk) 11:52, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
There is a distinct lack of cohesion about this article - the principle reason being that is does not follow the recommended Wiki layout - see here. Hence the remark immediately above (why nothing about Vaugham Williams?) when there is nothing about any notable people, for example. There is nothing at all about the geography of the place; a far too brief history section (see here) which for some unknown reason begins with a fictional reference. Apart from that the article builds around the fatuous media-speak of Bored town! Peter Shearan ( talk) 06:35, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
"During World War II, over 1,000 bombs were dropped on Brentwood, with 19 flying bombs (doodlebugs), 32 long-range rockets (V2s) and many incendiary bombs and parachute mines. 5,038 houses were destroyed, 389 people were injured and 43 died. It is a wonder that the 15th- and 16th-century pubs survived."
Is it a wonder? A small proportion of the total buildings in Brentwood were destroyed, therefore the majority of buildings remained intact, so it is not surprising if any building survived. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.230.222 ( talk) 13:47, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. Jafeluv ( talk) 10:35, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
Brentwood, Essex → Brentwood — Search for it, it clearly the prime topic. Crouch, Swale talk to me My contribs 15:29, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Chipping Ongar Doddinghurst Ingatestone Ingrave Herongate Hutton Pilgrims Hatch Romford Shenfield Warley
This appears to be an incomplete list and also a mixture of different things. I believe the following to be correct:
Chipping Ongar, Doddinghurst, Ingatestone, Ingrave, Herongate are parishes of Brentwood. Herongate should read Herongate and Ingrave, Ingatestone should read Ingatestone and Fryerning The other parishes are: Wyatts Green Parish, , Kelvedon Hatch, Mountnessing, Navestock, Stondon Massey and West Horndon
Shenfield and Pilgrims Hatch are boroughs of Brentwood.
Hutton is a village within Brentwood
Romford is a nearby town
Warley is a suburb.
I am happy to change the list to be more structured. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.147.71.174 ( talk) 19:07, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
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Is it just me or are local churches now swamping the external links section? Maybe a subsection is required about churches in the town in the same way as there is a section on sport, parks & open spaces? DaveK@BTC 12:12, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
I have had no reaction on this comment/question I posed above. Of the external links there are now more than 50% relating to churches in Brentwood.
* Brentwood Borough Council - Welcome to Brentwood (PDF) * Brentwood - White's Directory of Essex, 1848 * Churches in Brentwood - The Website of Churches Together in Brentwood * Brentwood Baptist Church - Brentwood Baptist Church * BBC's H2G2 Entry on Brentwood - The Guide to Life, The Universe and Everything * Brentwood Directory - A free directory/portal specifically for Brentwood * Phoenix FM - Community radio license holder for Brentwood * Boredtown - A Resident's Views on Brentwood Life * Sawyers Church Brentwood - A Brentwood town centre Church * Brentwood Freecycle Network - Online recycling service * The Roman Catholic Diocese of Brentwood * Dodd Road Community Church - Dodd Road Community Church * St. Peter's Church South Weald - St. Peter's Church South Weald
I do not believe that Brentwood is 50% preoccupied with Christian religion and consider this to be unencyclopaedic material adding little in the way of any true perspective about the town. Those churches that have historic interest ought have that historic material reflected here; maybe with a suitable link to the church website for further detail, those undertaking activities that are not 'day-to-day' religion and could be considered outstanding would also merit mention perhaps; otherwise are the links not little more than ad spam? DaveK@BTC 22:48, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I certainly agree that the derogatory remarks recently made about the Sugar Hut were inappropriate but it must be said that the current owners of what used to be the White Hart have hidden all but the facade of what used to be a historically interesting building easily accessible to the public as a walk though to what is now William Hunter Way. I believe it to be the case theet the owners have also been accused, if not yet found guilty, of having breached planning consents in somewhat over-zealous re-construction. DaveK@BTC 16:27, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Ahem, I just read this and I have to say I've seen some implausible nonsense on the internet, but why would they import elephants from India to Essex, train them, and send them back to India? I lived there and I never heard about it. Maybe this was the work of a comedian, but then Brentwood School alumni include Douglas Adams, Griff Rhys-Jones, and Keith Allen. And Noel Edmunds. And Hardy Amies. And Frank Lampard Jr. - Anon comment put in main article
It also makes more sense if you consider that the East India Company wanted to train their men to be used to working with Elephants before they went abroad rather than training the elephants. This way they would be productive from day one rather than spend their first 3 months learning the local ropes. DaveK@BTC 12:57, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
I've just noticed that the town info quotes Brentwood as being postcode CM14. It certainly also covers CM15 and possibly other CM codes as well. -- DaveK@BTC 12:53, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Actually CM15 extends right up Doddinghurst Road to junction with Ongar Road - just 5 minutes walk from High St so pretty much Brentwood. DaveK@BTC 09:25, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Why pose the question 'Is Brentwood a boring town?' It is transparently obvious to all those who live there that this is true, and it must be even more stark to visitors. Fortuitously for residents, it has the saving grace of being situated right next to London, and since the town's proximity to London is the reason that most of us live here, the town itself being dull as s*** is not that much of a problem. Who cares when we live on the edge of the greatest city in the world? And flighty lives in Brentwood as well.
Mate you're an irretrievable cretin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.205.17.135 ( talk) 13:59, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Fairly stupid really. Brentwood is just a town, some shops, houses, few pubs....just like hundreds of other towns. There's nothing particularly interesting about any of them, but theres no specific reason why Brentwood should be singled out as being any more boring than the others. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.75.166 ( talk) 09:27, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
The History section says:
"Robert Graves claims that Brentwood was the site of the battle where Claudius defeated the Ancient Britons in 44AD."
I know that in one of the Claudius books ('I, Claudius' or 'Claudius the God') Graves writes about the battle taking place in Brentwood, but my understanding was that this was fictional and has no basis in fact.
Would it be reasonable to say that either a source should be added to this text or it should make clear that it is not a "claim" but a "fictional account"?
A significant edit was undertaken on this date by Mrsteviec - I have emailed the following questions to him:
Hi - just noticed your (extensive) update to the Brentwood entry. Can you explain why you felt it necessary to:
1. remove the material on schoools in the area? Many town entries on Wikipedia have this information which is normally considered to be quite useful to know about; 2. change the emphasis from Essex to London (maybe as a Londoner you feel the need to lay claim to Brentwood) because much of Brentwood is rural and certainly considers itself to be an integral part of Essex and most definitly not much at all to do with London; 3. remove the notable institutions piece - Brentwood School (although not quite my cup of tes) is a significant aspect of the town; 4. cull the nearest places for no apparent good reason.
Always open to the entry moving forward but only if it adds to relevant knowledge base of the town. DaveK@BTC 10:14, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi - wasn't aware there was also a 'Borough' entry so thanks for that - will need to look at it now and see what it has to say. However, living in the area as I do I would suggest that locally Brentwood is considered as a larger area than just the built-up part adjacent to the town centre and is thought of as being a whole with the 'villages' surrounding including South Weald, Pilgrims Hatch, Kelvedon Hatch, Ingrave, Herongate etc... and, indeed, Shenfield, Hutton etc... That includes one whole large part of countryside by which Brentwoodians would identify themselves. On the same basis I would think (personally) that most would consider themselves to be Essex first and London second and so the introductory piece should be reversed back to 'Essex and part of the London commuter belt' rather than the reverse. Would be interested to hear the views of anybody else actually living in Brentwood. DaveK@BTC 23:02, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
It's a matter of precedence only. As phrased Brentwood is considered first as part of the commuter belt (suggesting a precedence and, possibly, a dependence) and then indirectly referenced as part of Essex. DaveK@BTC 08:23, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to take issue with the map being used, it is certainly detailed but I would suggest overly so and not really all that helpful. The marker, for instance, is the same colour as urban areas which, being london, means it gets a bit lost in the crowd. -- Shadebug 12:58, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
Slightly pedantic update, but removed "punk" from the description of InME. They are a nu-metal band, nothing like punk rock :) -- TheDigger
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I felt it pertinent to add a few details on the Arts in BRENTWOOD. Anyone who lives in the borough will recognise that there is a lively Arts scene. Little mention may lead to the conclusion that Brentwood is indeed "boring". I would be grateful for others comments Polymathkid ( talk) 14:27, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
I find it surprising that there is no entry on the connection of Brentwood with Vaughan Williams. I have added a brief one, though I feel a more thorough entry is needed. Polymathkid ( talk) 11:52, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
There is a distinct lack of cohesion about this article - the principle reason being that is does not follow the recommended Wiki layout - see here. Hence the remark immediately above (why nothing about Vaugham Williams?) when there is nothing about any notable people, for example. There is nothing at all about the geography of the place; a far too brief history section (see here) which for some unknown reason begins with a fictional reference. Apart from that the article builds around the fatuous media-speak of Bored town! Peter Shearan ( talk) 06:35, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
"During World War II, over 1,000 bombs were dropped on Brentwood, with 19 flying bombs (doodlebugs), 32 long-range rockets (V2s) and many incendiary bombs and parachute mines. 5,038 houses were destroyed, 389 people were injured and 43 died. It is a wonder that the 15th- and 16th-century pubs survived."
Is it a wonder? A small proportion of the total buildings in Brentwood were destroyed, therefore the majority of buildings remained intact, so it is not surprising if any building survived. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.230.222 ( talk) 13:47, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. Jafeluv ( talk) 10:35, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
Brentwood, Essex → Brentwood — Search for it, it clearly the prime topic. Crouch, Swale talk to me My contribs 15:29, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Chipping Ongar Doddinghurst Ingatestone Ingrave Herongate Hutton Pilgrims Hatch Romford Shenfield Warley
This appears to be an incomplete list and also a mixture of different things. I believe the following to be correct:
Chipping Ongar, Doddinghurst, Ingatestone, Ingrave, Herongate are parishes of Brentwood. Herongate should read Herongate and Ingrave, Ingatestone should read Ingatestone and Fryerning The other parishes are: Wyatts Green Parish, , Kelvedon Hatch, Mountnessing, Navestock, Stondon Massey and West Horndon
Shenfield and Pilgrims Hatch are boroughs of Brentwood.
Hutton is a village within Brentwood
Romford is a nearby town
Warley is a suburb.
I am happy to change the list to be more structured. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.147.71.174 ( talk) 19:07, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
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