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Actually, Bowsette's design was first featured in a japanese hentai manga titled "Kameochi Momohime", by Mizuryu Kei, released on April 2018. Shouldn't we add a reference to that Magegg ( talk) 05:52, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
The design is the same, I don't think is fair to consider Ayyk92 the "creator" of the character as he simply copied Kei's original design from the manga. Magegg ( talk) 14:42, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Reviewer: Nova Crystallis ( talk · contribs) 05:42, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
I thought the fan art was fast, but this article surprised me more. I'll review it later.
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Rather than waiting on the above, I will be taking over. Let's write about some memes.
For replying to Reviewer comment, please use Done, Fixed, Added, Not done, Doing..., or Removed, followed by any comment you'd like to make. I will be crossing out my comments as they are redressed, and only mine. A detailed, section-by-section review will follow after this and my first comment (Referencing). – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 22:27, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
I cannot find any outstanding errors in the prose and referencing. However, Esquire does not have an enWiki article and is currently linking to the noble title. However, I think more needs to be written about whatever copyright implications this character has, lest it wind up being redirected to Bowser's article. I otherwise see no reason not to just quick-pass this article. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 22:57, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
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The article should make some mention of the fact that a "Lady Bowser" has existed in the fan community for years now. Granted the Super Crown power up and this specific general design did not, it has more or less simply legitimized a pre-existing concept in the fanbase. Although past fan creations were fan fiction designs such as a daughter of Peach and Bowser, or a sister, mother, and so forth. What sets Bowsette as unique is that it is a "Peachified" Bowser using an item that Nintendo its self came up with. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A000:DFC0:C5:55FC:8752:322B:485E ( talk) 06:24, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
It only took 9 days for Bowsette to become a good article, from its inception as a redirect to becoming an article two days after the redirect was created to being promoted to good article status yesterday (according to UTC). This might be a new record and it's impressive how fast this was promoted to good article status. 344917661X ( talk) 02:06, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
In nearly six months of fairly close study of the GA process this is one of the more unusual reviews in that it was claimed by one reviewer but suddenly passed by a different reviewer as a quickpass. I do not think this article should have passed in its current state. In doing a quick glance of the article, if I had been reviewing, i would have had issues with the LEAD (especially the never-ending first sentence and with some of the sources used. I think community review is a ghost town and try and avoid sending things that way but given the fact that Nova Crystallis and DannyMusicEditor both expressed interest in reviewing this but didn't do so, perhaps this would be a case where it could be useful. Nova and/or Danny would you be interested in working together in a community GAR to review this article against the criteria? If not I will do an individual GAR. Pinging Vami IV as previous reviewer and Kung Fu Man as nominator. Best, Barkeep49 ( talk) 05:12, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
I will be conducting a more detailed review as part of this process but I have initial concerns about good article criteria 1b (specifically with the LEAD), 3b (specifically some of the sources not being RS), issues around criteria 6 (copyright status of images used), and possibly criteria 5 (this article might not yet be stable). More detailed comments will be left below. Pinging @ Vami IV, Kung Fu Man, DannyMusicEditor, and Nova Crystallis: as others who might have review comments or otherwise be interested in this community GAR. Best, Barkeep49 ( talk) 23:52, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
not confident in your ability to assess the article" which is therefore suggested to be a community rather than individual GAR. Best, Barkeep49 ( talk) 00:35, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
which appears as Nintendo's Mario franchise character Bowser transformed to resemble another character, Peach., does not make clear to a broad audience who Bowsette is - I wouldn't have understood it, despite being a video game player, without having read the rest of the article which is somewhat against the conventions of what is desired.
Journalists took notice of the trend and were surprised by its longevity- I'm not sure longevity is the right word considering Bowsette is like two weeks old.
I have a lot of issues with this article.
First, I don't believe that the article is stable. The most recent 50 edits took place within the past 4 days. In that time, there have been improvements, reverts, page protection, and an AFD nomination.
Beyond that, I have issues with the prose and the article structure. There's some pretty garbled grammar in places.
"Bowsette quickly rose in popularity internationally, with related hashtags trending in English and Japanese appearing on Twitter." -- This is all over the place. Should probably be along the lines of "...with related hashtags in English and Japanese trending on Twitter".
"Typically portrayed as a light-skinned blonde woman with horns, fangs, and a spiked collar with matching armbands, though there is some variation." -- This is a sentence fragment.
The article structure is probably my biggest problem, in that there really isn't enough structure. Far too much of this reads as just stating fact after unrelated fact. "This is what this person said. And this is what another person said." and so on. For example, the third paragraph of the "Reception" section starts off by talking about how the concept inspired gender-swapped fan art of other Nintendo characters, and ends up talking about copyright law, which is a jarring transition that makes the article hard to follow. Or there's the "Background" section, which goes well outside the scope of just discussing background and ends up mentioning a fan convention. As someone who wasn't previously familiar with the subject of the article, I had to read it multiple times to be able to take everything in.
Finally, I have concerns over copyright for the included images, especially the second one. I am not especially familiar with copyright policy, so I say this with little confidence, but I am not sure that the fair use claims really stand up. The usage rationale for the second image states that the article as a whole is dedicated to the discussion of the work, which is clearly not true. Lowercaserho ( talk) 00:29, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
I've reverted a gif added by a one User:D4n2016 to the article, which he uploaded on Commons (NSFW), claiming to be the author ( here is the source, still NSFW). I'm aware that Bowsette has an ocean of porn and that Wikipedia has a number of pornographic or otherwise NSFW images. However, I removed it because of it's copyright status and because I don't think it really added anything to the article. I'm on the fence about that matter since, again, the character has a large amount of porn of her. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 00:18, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
One. Hundred. And. Nine. Papers. Kamafa Delgato ( Lojbanist) Styrofoam is not made from kittens. 00:49, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
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Bowsette isn't a genderbent. It's just a peach look-a-like Bowser. Also, it's the Super Crown that turned Bowser into this. Bowsette takes off that Super Crown, he turns right back to Bowser. In the game however, if anyone but Toadette touches the Super Crown, they only get ten coins. Fandom Bella ( talk) 01:27, 9 October 2018 (UTC) Fandom Bella ( talk) 01:27, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
Nice to see where wikipedians priorities are. 2A01:4C8:9:1C89:9110:2FCE:4CEE:F3F8 ( talk) 15:02, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
It's only your fault, anon, you could have done anytime but you didn't. -- SNAAAAKE!! ( talk) 08:39, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
The only thing that prevented this article from becoming a good article was that it is not stable enough and that the content in the article was changing too frequently to be a GA. However, edits on the article have slowed down meaning it is likely stable enough to pass, but i'm not the one to decide, so i've posted this here hoping to get a consensus on wether or not to renominate the article. So should we? 344917661X ( talk) 02:49, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
On the See also Section of this article, should we mention Cut Man V (created by Sesakaheart) because Cut Man V is also a fan-made alternate form of a character? Here's an image of him. Kaithehedgefox
https://kotaku.com/nintendo-officially-shoots-down-bowsette-1831489905 Sergecross73 msg me 16:47, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Abryn ( talk · contribs) 19:49, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
I mean, I love Bowsette, so how can I not review this? -
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I wonder whether the second copyrighted image is really necessary. WanderingWanda ( talk) 03:18, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
I'm starting this discussion after I was reverted by User:Kung Fu Man. I think File:Bowsette another one by poderosoandrajoso.png should be used as the top image in the article and File:Bowsette Comic by ayyk92.jpg should be moved to the Background section. This article is titled "Bowsette" and is about the character as a whole, not just the original comic by ayyk92. While the original comic is very valuable to include as part of the character's history, it's not an ideal image for talking about the character herself because we can't see much of her. The comic is tightly framed so that we can't much of her body (e.g. crown, legs, koopa shell are all obscured). Additionally, Bowsette is also only a small part of the total frame which includes several other characters (this is especially problematic since the image has such a low resolution).
The image I picked shows Bowsette uncropped, in-full, as the lone subject, and at a high resolution. I chose it because I thought it was the best one out of commons:Category:Bowsette, but I would welcome another free image if a better one is available. (I didn't use the existing image File:Bowsette by Yuske Murata.png because I believe that image violates WP:NFC and should be deleted; discuss at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2020 January 7#File:Bowsette by Yuske Murata.png). – IagoQnsi ( talk) 05:55, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
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Actually, Bowsette's design was first featured in a japanese hentai manga titled "Kameochi Momohime", by Mizuryu Kei, released on April 2018. Shouldn't we add a reference to that Magegg ( talk) 05:52, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
The design is the same, I don't think is fair to consider Ayyk92 the "creator" of the character as he simply copied Kei's original design from the manga. Magegg ( talk) 14:42, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Reviewer: Nova Crystallis ( talk · contribs) 05:42, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
I thought the fan art was fast, but this article surprised me more. I'll review it later.
Nova Crystallis
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05:42, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
Rather than waiting on the above, I will be taking over. Let's write about some memes.
For replying to Reviewer comment, please use Done, Fixed, Added, Not done, Doing..., or Removed, followed by any comment you'd like to make. I will be crossing out my comments as they are redressed, and only mine. A detailed, section-by-section review will follow after this and my first comment (Referencing). – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 22:27, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
I cannot find any outstanding errors in the prose and referencing. However, Esquire does not have an enWiki article and is currently linking to the noble title. However, I think more needs to be written about whatever copyright implications this character has, lest it wind up being redirected to Bowser's article. I otherwise see no reason not to just quick-pass this article. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 22:57, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
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The article should make some mention of the fact that a "Lady Bowser" has existed in the fan community for years now. Granted the Super Crown power up and this specific general design did not, it has more or less simply legitimized a pre-existing concept in the fanbase. Although past fan creations were fan fiction designs such as a daughter of Peach and Bowser, or a sister, mother, and so forth. What sets Bowsette as unique is that it is a "Peachified" Bowser using an item that Nintendo its self came up with. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A000:DFC0:C5:55FC:8752:322B:485E ( talk) 06:24, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
It only took 9 days for Bowsette to become a good article, from its inception as a redirect to becoming an article two days after the redirect was created to being promoted to good article status yesterday (according to UTC). This might be a new record and it's impressive how fast this was promoted to good article status. 344917661X ( talk) 02:06, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
In nearly six months of fairly close study of the GA process this is one of the more unusual reviews in that it was claimed by one reviewer but suddenly passed by a different reviewer as a quickpass. I do not think this article should have passed in its current state. In doing a quick glance of the article, if I had been reviewing, i would have had issues with the LEAD (especially the never-ending first sentence and with some of the sources used. I think community review is a ghost town and try and avoid sending things that way but given the fact that Nova Crystallis and DannyMusicEditor both expressed interest in reviewing this but didn't do so, perhaps this would be a case where it could be useful. Nova and/or Danny would you be interested in working together in a community GAR to review this article against the criteria? If not I will do an individual GAR. Pinging Vami IV as previous reviewer and Kung Fu Man as nominator. Best, Barkeep49 ( talk) 05:12, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
I will be conducting a more detailed review as part of this process but I have initial concerns about good article criteria 1b (specifically with the LEAD), 3b (specifically some of the sources not being RS), issues around criteria 6 (copyright status of images used), and possibly criteria 5 (this article might not yet be stable). More detailed comments will be left below. Pinging @ Vami IV, Kung Fu Man, DannyMusicEditor, and Nova Crystallis: as others who might have review comments or otherwise be interested in this community GAR. Best, Barkeep49 ( talk) 23:52, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
not confident in your ability to assess the article" which is therefore suggested to be a community rather than individual GAR. Best, Barkeep49 ( talk) 00:35, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
which appears as Nintendo's Mario franchise character Bowser transformed to resemble another character, Peach., does not make clear to a broad audience who Bowsette is - I wouldn't have understood it, despite being a video game player, without having read the rest of the article which is somewhat against the conventions of what is desired.
Journalists took notice of the trend and were surprised by its longevity- I'm not sure longevity is the right word considering Bowsette is like two weeks old.
I have a lot of issues with this article.
First, I don't believe that the article is stable. The most recent 50 edits took place within the past 4 days. In that time, there have been improvements, reverts, page protection, and an AFD nomination.
Beyond that, I have issues with the prose and the article structure. There's some pretty garbled grammar in places.
"Bowsette quickly rose in popularity internationally, with related hashtags trending in English and Japanese appearing on Twitter." -- This is all over the place. Should probably be along the lines of "...with related hashtags in English and Japanese trending on Twitter".
"Typically portrayed as a light-skinned blonde woman with horns, fangs, and a spiked collar with matching armbands, though there is some variation." -- This is a sentence fragment.
The article structure is probably my biggest problem, in that there really isn't enough structure. Far too much of this reads as just stating fact after unrelated fact. "This is what this person said. And this is what another person said." and so on. For example, the third paragraph of the "Reception" section starts off by talking about how the concept inspired gender-swapped fan art of other Nintendo characters, and ends up talking about copyright law, which is a jarring transition that makes the article hard to follow. Or there's the "Background" section, which goes well outside the scope of just discussing background and ends up mentioning a fan convention. As someone who wasn't previously familiar with the subject of the article, I had to read it multiple times to be able to take everything in.
Finally, I have concerns over copyright for the included images, especially the second one. I am not especially familiar with copyright policy, so I say this with little confidence, but I am not sure that the fair use claims really stand up. The usage rationale for the second image states that the article as a whole is dedicated to the discussion of the work, which is clearly not true. Lowercaserho ( talk) 00:29, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
I've reverted a gif added by a one User:D4n2016 to the article, which he uploaded on Commons (NSFW), claiming to be the author ( here is the source, still NSFW). I'm aware that Bowsette has an ocean of porn and that Wikipedia has a number of pornographic or otherwise NSFW images. However, I removed it because of it's copyright status and because I don't think it really added anything to the article. I'm on the fence about that matter since, again, the character has a large amount of porn of her. – ♠Vami _IV†♠ 00:18, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
One. Hundred. And. Nine. Papers. Kamafa Delgato ( Lojbanist) Styrofoam is not made from kittens. 00:49, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Bowsette isn't a genderbent. It's just a peach look-a-like Bowser. Also, it's the Super Crown that turned Bowser into this. Bowsette takes off that Super Crown, he turns right back to Bowser. In the game however, if anyone but Toadette touches the Super Crown, they only get ten coins. Fandom Bella ( talk) 01:27, 9 October 2018 (UTC) Fandom Bella ( talk) 01:27, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
Nice to see where wikipedians priorities are. 2A01:4C8:9:1C89:9110:2FCE:4CEE:F3F8 ( talk) 15:02, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
It's only your fault, anon, you could have done anytime but you didn't. -- SNAAAAKE!! ( talk) 08:39, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
The only thing that prevented this article from becoming a good article was that it is not stable enough and that the content in the article was changing too frequently to be a GA. However, edits on the article have slowed down meaning it is likely stable enough to pass, but i'm not the one to decide, so i've posted this here hoping to get a consensus on wether or not to renominate the article. So should we? 344917661X ( talk) 02:49, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
On the See also Section of this article, should we mention Cut Man V (created by Sesakaheart) because Cut Man V is also a fan-made alternate form of a character? Here's an image of him. Kaithehedgefox
https://kotaku.com/nintendo-officially-shoots-down-bowsette-1831489905 Sergecross73 msg me 16:47, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Abryn ( talk · contribs) 19:49, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
I mean, I love Bowsette, so how can I not review this? -
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I wonder whether the second copyrighted image is really necessary. WanderingWanda ( talk) 03:18, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
I'm starting this discussion after I was reverted by User:Kung Fu Man. I think File:Bowsette another one by poderosoandrajoso.png should be used as the top image in the article and File:Bowsette Comic by ayyk92.jpg should be moved to the Background section. This article is titled "Bowsette" and is about the character as a whole, not just the original comic by ayyk92. While the original comic is very valuable to include as part of the character's history, it's not an ideal image for talking about the character herself because we can't see much of her. The comic is tightly framed so that we can't much of her body (e.g. crown, legs, koopa shell are all obscured). Additionally, Bowsette is also only a small part of the total frame which includes several other characters (this is especially problematic since the image has such a low resolution).
The image I picked shows Bowsette uncropped, in-full, as the lone subject, and at a high resolution. I chose it because I thought it was the best one out of commons:Category:Bowsette, but I would welcome another free image if a better one is available. (I didn't use the existing image File:Bowsette by Yuske Murata.png because I believe that image violates WP:NFC and should be deleted; discuss at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2020 January 7#File:Bowsette by Yuske Murata.png). – IagoQnsi ( talk) 05:55, 7 January 2020 (UTC)