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I am starting this section to propose that the present infobox image be replaced with the following picture. As noted in WP:Image Use Policy,"images should be uploaded at high resolution whether or not this seems 'necessary' for the use immediately contemplate." Here, the current image's resolution is significantly compromised due to how exceedingly tiny it is. By comparison, the proposed image is larger and thereby provides a more detailed view of the subject. Any thoughts? Emiya1980 ( talk) 21:44, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Vladimir Yeltsin. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 March 3#Vladimir Yeltsin until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. signed, Rosguill talk 17:05, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
This article has POV in it. Here is an example of a heavily biased paragraph, "Yelstin succeeded in the unconstitutional, illegal, and contested dissolution of the USSR. The breakup of the Soviet Union could happened earlier in 1991 when, Soviet citizenry voted on this issue. In the only independent referendum in Soviet history, a super majority of people across the nation voted overwhelmingly to remain in the union and preserve its government. This should have stopped the nationalistic and treacherous parties in the union but the victory was only temporary."
Can someone please clean this up? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.10.100.224 ( talk) 17:51, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
@
Caustic3: Where in that source is Yeltsin described as being aligned with conservatism? The only mention of conservatism it seems is this paragraph: Yeltsin says he never really fit into the pampered and collegial fraternity of the Politburo. His colleagues mocked as cheap ambition his predilection for unannounced forays into the understocked grocery stores and his rides on the overcrowded subways. He clashed repeatedly with the Politburo's archconservative, Yegor K. Ligachev. Yeltsin speculates that Gorbachev kept him around for political balance. With the prickly, impetuous Yeltsin to his left, the conservative Ligachev to his right, Gorbachev himself seemed the omniscient centrist.
If anything, it seems to contradict this.
Mellk (
talk) 23:12, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
Not to mention that Yeltsin is often associated with liberalism or neo-liberalism, so removing this does not seem correct. Mellk ( talk) 23:14, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
I believe you and I are trying to say the same thing but in different ways. Yeltsin's position is conservative in the context of Soviet Russia. Liberalism not only has many definitions in the dictionary form but also in the connotative meaning. Liberalism can mean classical liberalism which in the year 2021 we could call conservative since it argues for free markets, etc. The reason I say Yeltsin is conservative is because he was a traditionalist not to mention a man who became fond of the U.S. way of life. Since 1980 the United States has largely become a conservative nation, one that champions traditional family values, faith, and small government. This ideology is reflected upon in Ronald Reagan and I would never use the word liberal to describe Reagan. Ronald Reagan was a pitchman of traditional values (nuclear family, faith based life, and anti-socialist.) Socialism and Leninist values are considered left and radical since they are such a departure of small government. Yeltsin deviated from Leninist and socialist doctrines by imploding the union and more importantly he began to support the Russian Orthodox Church. The church is a deeply conservative entity that has always been focused on traditionalism. The church and conservatism even go back to 1917 during the Revolution. Bolshevik ideology such as public ownership of land and decriminalization of homosexuality disgusted the church. Yeltsin and his successor Putin share this view on social issues. Both are social conservatives and believe the government has no business in economic affairs (pun intended). In America the word liberal in any sense reflects some left leaning position. Yeltsin was not on the political left, nor a centrist. He was firmly conservative. That is why he sought and received aid from U.S. President Bill Clinton. Clinton was a Democrat but he was hardly a friend to the left. Clinton abhorred social welfare, and tight regulations on financial enterprises. He also preached the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman. Yeltsin was the same. Liberalism is a term that could refer to both the left and the right. Conservative on the other hand is a term that is only used to refer to the political right. I classify Yeltsin as a conservative and an anti-socialist and Leninist.
Caustic3 (
talk) 00:30, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect President Yeltsin's and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 8#President Yeltsin's until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. feminist (talk) 13:16, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi,
I just tried to save this page to my flash drive so I could read it in full later and also refer back to it, and the download was going to be 850 MB, according to my download manager. I skimmed the page, found there is at least one video (Boris and Bill Clinton 'share a laugh') and looking at the source code for the page I saw that there are various webm files listed in that section. When I then ran a count of how many times webm appeared in the source code, it was 61.
Presumably the page's code is written such that it's attempting to supply me with all or a good number of those videos - I don't want them! (Especially not when I have around 500 MB left before I run out of data allowance.)
Could someone sort out the code or editing (it's beyond me, currently) so that the videos aren't part of the download for the page? I'm fairly sure OGGs don't download automatically, do they? Anyway, this is excessive, at 850 MB - I can just imagine school kids running into trouble, too, with their teachers and the admin, if the security settings on their school intranet even allow them to download the page, considering what comes with it.
TIA heaps to the 'rescuer'!
Mathsgirl ( talk) 23:27, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 01:37, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
At this point in time, every single one of the contributions to this section, are from american / NY sources, including one ex-russian american immigrant.
diverse as usual, WikiP.
How about someone commenting on which money influxed-in, or what kinds of impacts of rapid investment had in both immediate new business terms, as-well-as political self-conceptualization / how successful & unsuccessful it was on ex-USSR citizens' concepts of self, or something else psychological / psycho-political?
or pff... i dunno,.. other stuff, confidence in Moscow, uncertainty out in the country, etc? 120.19.133.148 ( talk) 22:46, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
There is a new photo with high resolution here File:Boris Yeltsin Kremlin.ru.jpg. I propose to set it as a main image in infobox. FlorianH76 ( talk) 01:15, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
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I am starting this section to propose that the present infobox image be replaced with the following picture. As noted in WP:Image Use Policy,"images should be uploaded at high resolution whether or not this seems 'necessary' for the use immediately contemplate." Here, the current image's resolution is significantly compromised due to how exceedingly tiny it is. By comparison, the proposed image is larger and thereby provides a more detailed view of the subject. Any thoughts? Emiya1980 ( talk) 21:44, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Vladimir Yeltsin. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 March 3#Vladimir Yeltsin until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. signed, Rosguill talk 17:05, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
This article has POV in it. Here is an example of a heavily biased paragraph, "Yelstin succeeded in the unconstitutional, illegal, and contested dissolution of the USSR. The breakup of the Soviet Union could happened earlier in 1991 when, Soviet citizenry voted on this issue. In the only independent referendum in Soviet history, a super majority of people across the nation voted overwhelmingly to remain in the union and preserve its government. This should have stopped the nationalistic and treacherous parties in the union but the victory was only temporary."
Can someone please clean this up? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.10.100.224 ( talk) 17:51, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
@
Caustic3: Where in that source is Yeltsin described as being aligned with conservatism? The only mention of conservatism it seems is this paragraph: Yeltsin says he never really fit into the pampered and collegial fraternity of the Politburo. His colleagues mocked as cheap ambition his predilection for unannounced forays into the understocked grocery stores and his rides on the overcrowded subways. He clashed repeatedly with the Politburo's archconservative, Yegor K. Ligachev. Yeltsin speculates that Gorbachev kept him around for political balance. With the prickly, impetuous Yeltsin to his left, the conservative Ligachev to his right, Gorbachev himself seemed the omniscient centrist.
If anything, it seems to contradict this.
Mellk (
talk) 23:12, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
Not to mention that Yeltsin is often associated with liberalism or neo-liberalism, so removing this does not seem correct. Mellk ( talk) 23:14, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
I believe you and I are trying to say the same thing but in different ways. Yeltsin's position is conservative in the context of Soviet Russia. Liberalism not only has many definitions in the dictionary form but also in the connotative meaning. Liberalism can mean classical liberalism which in the year 2021 we could call conservative since it argues for free markets, etc. The reason I say Yeltsin is conservative is because he was a traditionalist not to mention a man who became fond of the U.S. way of life. Since 1980 the United States has largely become a conservative nation, one that champions traditional family values, faith, and small government. This ideology is reflected upon in Ronald Reagan and I would never use the word liberal to describe Reagan. Ronald Reagan was a pitchman of traditional values (nuclear family, faith based life, and anti-socialist.) Socialism and Leninist values are considered left and radical since they are such a departure of small government. Yeltsin deviated from Leninist and socialist doctrines by imploding the union and more importantly he began to support the Russian Orthodox Church. The church is a deeply conservative entity that has always been focused on traditionalism. The church and conservatism even go back to 1917 during the Revolution. Bolshevik ideology such as public ownership of land and decriminalization of homosexuality disgusted the church. Yeltsin and his successor Putin share this view on social issues. Both are social conservatives and believe the government has no business in economic affairs (pun intended). In America the word liberal in any sense reflects some left leaning position. Yeltsin was not on the political left, nor a centrist. He was firmly conservative. That is why he sought and received aid from U.S. President Bill Clinton. Clinton was a Democrat but he was hardly a friend to the left. Clinton abhorred social welfare, and tight regulations on financial enterprises. He also preached the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman. Yeltsin was the same. Liberalism is a term that could refer to both the left and the right. Conservative on the other hand is a term that is only used to refer to the political right. I classify Yeltsin as a conservative and an anti-socialist and Leninist.
Caustic3 (
talk) 00:30, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect President Yeltsin's and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 8#President Yeltsin's until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. feminist (talk) 13:16, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi,
I just tried to save this page to my flash drive so I could read it in full later and also refer back to it, and the download was going to be 850 MB, according to my download manager. I skimmed the page, found there is at least one video (Boris and Bill Clinton 'share a laugh') and looking at the source code for the page I saw that there are various webm files listed in that section. When I then ran a count of how many times webm appeared in the source code, it was 61.
Presumably the page's code is written such that it's attempting to supply me with all or a good number of those videos - I don't want them! (Especially not when I have around 500 MB left before I run out of data allowance.)
Could someone sort out the code or editing (it's beyond me, currently) so that the videos aren't part of the download for the page? I'm fairly sure OGGs don't download automatically, do they? Anyway, this is excessive, at 850 MB - I can just imagine school kids running into trouble, too, with their teachers and the admin, if the security settings on their school intranet even allow them to download the page, considering what comes with it.
TIA heaps to the 'rescuer'!
Mathsgirl ( talk) 23:27, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 01:37, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
At this point in time, every single one of the contributions to this section, are from american / NY sources, including one ex-russian american immigrant.
diverse as usual, WikiP.
How about someone commenting on which money influxed-in, or what kinds of impacts of rapid investment had in both immediate new business terms, as-well-as political self-conceptualization / how successful & unsuccessful it was on ex-USSR citizens' concepts of self, or something else psychological / psycho-political?
or pff... i dunno,.. other stuff, confidence in Moscow, uncertainty out in the country, etc? 120.19.133.148 ( talk) 22:46, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
There is a new photo with high resolution here File:Boris Yeltsin Kremlin.ru.jpg. I propose to set it as a main image in infobox. FlorianH76 ( talk) 01:15, 10 November 2023 (UTC)