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I reverted the change (the removal of the LGBT category) made by Bearcat, because bois are almost always lesbians/dykes/queers. If anyone has a compelling reason to remove an article about lesbian/bi/trans people from the LGBT category, could you please explain? - solvent 18:51, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
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.) However, maybe it would be best to create a new category, one that deals with transgender - or maybe better "gender-bending" or similar - behaviour among primary LGB identified people, or lesbian or female-bodied people. Something like "Gender-bending in the lesbian community"; can't think of a really good title at the moment. That would avoid the question of one cat being a sub-cat of another; although it probably still would need a comment, so that the "Transgender" cat wouldn't be removed with the argument that the new cat is a sub-cat of this one. What do you think? --
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Can anyone provide a source for 216.177.2.89's claim that boi was created to parallel grrl? I can find nothing on it. Also, I have reverted some of the edits that (s)he made, because many transbois ID as TG rather than as TS. solvent 22:20, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
Don't agree with previous claim that "boyish" contradicts "somewhat effeminate." Compromising with "young-appearing." Also added "and in reality relatively young" because I think a "young-looking 65" would not fit the common usage.
I've certainly heard the term "boi" used for bisexual boys also - in general, a feminine boy independent of sexuality (although it's probably true that it tends to almost always refer to bi or gay boys). I've also heard it used in the BDSM community to refer to submissive boys (again, usually implying femininity) as well as butch girls. Mdwh 02:30, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
The term 'boi' is regularly used on SM websites such as worldskins.com / slaveboys.co.uk to denote a submissive male who may or may not be effminate. The term is used by the Dominany party and can be humiliating for you the submissive party. Lukeyboyuk 18:55, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
It most definitely is used in Goth (and sometimes Punk) subculture to refer to a young man not afraid to experiment with traditionally "feminine" things such as eyeliner, frills, etc. and as a protest against gender roles. Please don't remove my edits--google goth boi and it brings up hundreds of thousands of hits. It *does* exist in Goth. Snowgrouse 16:20, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Not only is boi used by goths to mean a guy that likes traditionally female styles, but it also doesn't always mean bi or gay in that context.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.27.213.98 ( talk • contribs) 08:08, 23 February 2007
The term "boi" is a Lesbian term more than a gay male term. The word "boy" is male, but gay males often refer to their boys as chickens, who I think serve the older dominant gay males. The lesbian "boi" is the more submissive of the female partner, and may indeed be a lipstick and not a butch femme lesbian, but the significance is in that the "boi" is the submissive one, who often requires care. And boi is correct in the fact that Bi-Lesbian couples will, from time to time, invite a male into their circle; however, he must be a "boi" and assume the submissive role most of the time. Such a male is dominated or ruled, and it matters little whether she used to be his wife, whether he sought them out, they sought him out, it just is. We won't say what also may be his fate or role if he accepts entering their circle. The fact that he is submissive is the "boi" factor but almost all "boi's' are lesbian or bi females. But like all terms, they become convoluted over time. My position is that boi is the submissive lesbian or a submissive male who will submit to lesbian dominance. Martinez mary ( talk) 00:22, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
I have some concerns that this article covers a Neologism. As of now it has no reliable sources and is unverifiable. I'm considering deltion, before replying please review policy on what wikipedia is not, esp the section on dictionaries. I will try and find some sources for this article and would appreciate any help as of right now the article seems to be original research. NeoFreak 18:57, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
A couple of sources do not change the fact that this is a neologism. While its recent use in certain subcultures might warrant its mention on those respective entries, it does not need an entry of its own. Its use within those subcultures isn't even consistent. It's just an alternate spelling of boy sometimes used for a specific reason and sometimes just used stylistically. At most it should just be a disambiguation page. 70.21.171.213 19:20, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Around where I live "Boi" tends to mean a male, generally submissive, who acts and appears very youthful but who is of legal age. I agree it's a flexible term, your mileage may vary. Saxophobia ( talk) 13:08, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
I think we need to consider generalizing our definition of "boi" outside of the lesbian community. Currently it defines a boi as a young gay or bisexual male, but the usage is becoming more broad. Many people use the term in reference to any young male (like a teenager) - gay, straight, or otherwise. This is to distinguish from "boy," which would refer to young children. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Creator95 ( talk • contribs) 03:40, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
UPDATE: Since no one has objected to the proposed change in over a week's time, I will make the edit in 24 hours unless there is an objection. Creator95 ( talk) 01:11, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
This article is screwed up. I've never, ever ever heard of "boi" referring to a female. It only refers to gay males. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.34.46.111 ( talk) 23:47, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Sweetmale ( talk) 21:53, 7 March 2009 (UTC)The term 'boi' as I have observed it in the Lesbian Community is a female, sometimes younger but always in the submissive role, regardless of age. It is also used to describe a male who a Lesbian couple invites because the male is sexually submissive, in other words will let them control him, but this is frequently because his wife or girlfriend is bi. But it almost always refers to the submissive in a lesbian led relationship when used, the femme of the butch half if used. I'm sure gay males and bi males consider it in their gender identities as well, to be the submissive in a relationships. I think it might be demeaning to the submissive if the controlling party, male or female, uses it as a form of mental control, although the existence of such a relationship is simply what it is, the submissive nature of the male or female, willing to serve the needs of the controlling person, male or female. However the only time I’ve ever heard the term is in the Lesbian Community. I think the gay males refer to their submissive as b~~tch. Sweetmale ( talk) 21:53, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
I agree with last poster. The term "boi" is a Lesbian term more than a gay male term. The word "boy" is male, but gay males often refer to their boys as chickens, who I think serve the older dominant gay males. The lesbian "boi" is the more submissive of the female partner, and may indeed be a lipstick and not a butch femme lesbian, but the significance is in that the "boi" is the submissive one, who often requires care. And he is correct in the fact that Bi-Lesbian couples will, from time to time, invite a male into their circle; however, he must be a "boi" and assume the submissive role most of the time. Such a male is dominated or ruled, and it matters little whether she used to be his wife, whether he sought them out, they sought him out, it just is. We won't say what also may be his fate or role if he accepts entering their circle. The fact that he is submissive is the "boi" factor but almost all "boi's' are lesbian or bi females. But like all terms, they become convoluted over time. My position is that boi is the submissive lesbian or a submissive male who will submit to lesbian dominance.
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A recent edit was made, edit reason stating "female-born is a cissexist term" which made two changes:
I disagree with the move [1] from Boi (gender) to Boi (sexual slang), nor do I see where it was discussed? Whilst boi is not a gender as such[1], I don't think anyone's claiming that - rather it's a term that's related to gender, and that's all that the disambiguation implies.
[1] - Though what do we mean by this? The article says "Boi" is a term for someone's gender identity, so it seems reasonable to put it as such.
Perhaps there are better terms we could use - but I don't think "sexual slang" is right. It's a term that applies to ones sexuality or gender identity, but isn't directly about being sexual (I usually think of a rather different set of words when I think of "sexual slang"!) What about Boi (LGBT), Boi (LGBT slang), Boi (sexuality) or Boi (gender identity)? I think I'd prefer one with LGBT, as that covers both sexuality and gender identity aspects. Mdwh ( talk) 11:55, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
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"bois" just means wood in French. -- 94.217.191.110 ( talk) 15:54, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
Does anyone else not feel that 'boi' has far more general application than in LGBT subcultures? It seems like it's being used to refer humorously to all manner of males, and even dogs. I never see it being used in a gay context. 2607:FEA8:4D5F:FF82:D562:D331:1B64:F471 ( talk) 11:43, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
I have heard that boi originates from slang used in black queer communities, but can't find a reliable source for this. A cursory search brings up this page, which discusses the origins of the term and links to several sources (which I haven't vetted yet). If we can find a reliable source for the term's black heritage, this should be acknowledged. Qzekrom 💬 theythem 19:14, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
If you're going to make a page for the word boi, you have to address its usage in meme culture. People are vandalizing this page because you've aggravated all the memesters of the internet. You're essentially pretending that the meme culture interpretation of the word doesn't exist. Either elaborate that the article is referring to LGBT usage specifically, amend this page by adding the meme culture interpretation, or delete this page. But as it stands now, it is simply unacceptable, and frankly, I expect better from a platform like Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.89.61.2 ( contribs) 17:23, 2019 July 26 (UTC)
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The difference between 'bois' and 'boy' is obvious in writing, but there is nothing in the article on the pronunciation of 'bois'. Is its pronunciation differentiated from 'boy', or is a listener expected to know which word is being used entirely from its context? Blurryman ( talk) 21:49, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
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Remove this shit, boi only means one thing and it is a meme
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typo: pronunication → pronunciation 82.132.185.94 ( talk) 23:03, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
In the local area of Hereford this word is used frequently as in 'he's a good 'ol Herfurd(Hereford) boi' Or such as greeting an old good friend, viz 'alright boi!' Its use can be seen occasionally on Facebook by Herefordians !! I am 77 years old 'born an bred Herfurd boi!!' and have used it since i can remember!! 185.245.188.9 ( talk) 06:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
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Kittendreamx ( talk) 18:47, 6 March 2024 (UTC) Boi is an alternate spelling of boy used to describe boys, yes, but also men, girls, women, and things that aren't even human .
I removed this sentence which I'm preserving here because the citations would be useful:
In some lesbian communities, there is an increasing acceptance of variant gender expression, as well as allowing people to identify as a boi. [1] [2] [3]
"In some.... Increasing" struck me as both when? who? and not necessarily true--certainly butch/masc/transmasc/etc identities have been around for a while, and who is "allowing" whom to identify etc. And I think the underlying thing of it being a gender expression related to butch/transmasc/androgyny/twink-ness gets addressed in the first sentence and in the body.
I also don't think the A younger bisexual or gay man who may have effeminate characteristics. The term can also be used by anyone who wishes to distinguish from heterosexual or heteronormative identities
citation works--it's mostly some guy talking (whinging, really haha) about a transmasc boi specifically, not that it's a term used by anyone.
Femboi has some citations regarding "Boi"'s use in a cis-gay-male context, like
this and
this. Not sure exactly how to write that part myself though.
KenyonP ( talk) 18:42, 12 March 2024 (UTC) KenyonP ( talk) 18:42, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
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I reverted the change (the removal of the LGBT category) made by Bearcat, because bois are almost always lesbians/dykes/queers. If anyone has a compelling reason to remove an article about lesbian/bi/trans people from the LGBT category, could you please explain? - solvent 18:51, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
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.) However, maybe it would be best to create a new category, one that deals with transgender - or maybe better "gender-bending" or similar - behaviour among primary LGB identified people, or lesbian or female-bodied people. Something like "Gender-bending in the lesbian community"; can't think of a really good title at the moment. That would avoid the question of one cat being a sub-cat of another; although it probably still would need a comment, so that the "Transgender" cat wouldn't be removed with the argument that the new cat is a sub-cat of this one. What do you think? --
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09:53, 8 August 2005 (UTC)---
Can anyone provide a source for 216.177.2.89's claim that boi was created to parallel grrl? I can find nothing on it. Also, I have reverted some of the edits that (s)he made, because many transbois ID as TG rather than as TS. solvent 22:20, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
Don't agree with previous claim that "boyish" contradicts "somewhat effeminate." Compromising with "young-appearing." Also added "and in reality relatively young" because I think a "young-looking 65" would not fit the common usage.
I've certainly heard the term "boi" used for bisexual boys also - in general, a feminine boy independent of sexuality (although it's probably true that it tends to almost always refer to bi or gay boys). I've also heard it used in the BDSM community to refer to submissive boys (again, usually implying femininity) as well as butch girls. Mdwh 02:30, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
The term 'boi' is regularly used on SM websites such as worldskins.com / slaveboys.co.uk to denote a submissive male who may or may not be effminate. The term is used by the Dominany party and can be humiliating for you the submissive party. Lukeyboyuk 18:55, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
It most definitely is used in Goth (and sometimes Punk) subculture to refer to a young man not afraid to experiment with traditionally "feminine" things such as eyeliner, frills, etc. and as a protest against gender roles. Please don't remove my edits--google goth boi and it brings up hundreds of thousands of hits. It *does* exist in Goth. Snowgrouse 16:20, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Not only is boi used by goths to mean a guy that likes traditionally female styles, but it also doesn't always mean bi or gay in that context.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.27.213.98 ( talk • contribs) 08:08, 23 February 2007
The term "boi" is a Lesbian term more than a gay male term. The word "boy" is male, but gay males often refer to their boys as chickens, who I think serve the older dominant gay males. The lesbian "boi" is the more submissive of the female partner, and may indeed be a lipstick and not a butch femme lesbian, but the significance is in that the "boi" is the submissive one, who often requires care. And boi is correct in the fact that Bi-Lesbian couples will, from time to time, invite a male into their circle; however, he must be a "boi" and assume the submissive role most of the time. Such a male is dominated or ruled, and it matters little whether she used to be his wife, whether he sought them out, they sought him out, it just is. We won't say what also may be his fate or role if he accepts entering their circle. The fact that he is submissive is the "boi" factor but almost all "boi's' are lesbian or bi females. But like all terms, they become convoluted over time. My position is that boi is the submissive lesbian or a submissive male who will submit to lesbian dominance. Martinez mary ( talk) 00:22, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
I have some concerns that this article covers a Neologism. As of now it has no reliable sources and is unverifiable. I'm considering deltion, before replying please review policy on what wikipedia is not, esp the section on dictionaries. I will try and find some sources for this article and would appreciate any help as of right now the article seems to be original research. NeoFreak 18:57, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
A couple of sources do not change the fact that this is a neologism. While its recent use in certain subcultures might warrant its mention on those respective entries, it does not need an entry of its own. Its use within those subcultures isn't even consistent. It's just an alternate spelling of boy sometimes used for a specific reason and sometimes just used stylistically. At most it should just be a disambiguation page. 70.21.171.213 19:20, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Around where I live "Boi" tends to mean a male, generally submissive, who acts and appears very youthful but who is of legal age. I agree it's a flexible term, your mileage may vary. Saxophobia ( talk) 13:08, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
I think we need to consider generalizing our definition of "boi" outside of the lesbian community. Currently it defines a boi as a young gay or bisexual male, but the usage is becoming more broad. Many people use the term in reference to any young male (like a teenager) - gay, straight, or otherwise. This is to distinguish from "boy," which would refer to young children. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Creator95 ( talk • contribs) 03:40, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
UPDATE: Since no one has objected to the proposed change in over a week's time, I will make the edit in 24 hours unless there is an objection. Creator95 ( talk) 01:11, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
This article is screwed up. I've never, ever ever heard of "boi" referring to a female. It only refers to gay males. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.34.46.111 ( talk) 23:47, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Sweetmale ( talk) 21:53, 7 March 2009 (UTC)The term 'boi' as I have observed it in the Lesbian Community is a female, sometimes younger but always in the submissive role, regardless of age. It is also used to describe a male who a Lesbian couple invites because the male is sexually submissive, in other words will let them control him, but this is frequently because his wife or girlfriend is bi. But it almost always refers to the submissive in a lesbian led relationship when used, the femme of the butch half if used. I'm sure gay males and bi males consider it in their gender identities as well, to be the submissive in a relationships. I think it might be demeaning to the submissive if the controlling party, male or female, uses it as a form of mental control, although the existence of such a relationship is simply what it is, the submissive nature of the male or female, willing to serve the needs of the controlling person, male or female. However the only time I’ve ever heard the term is in the Lesbian Community. I think the gay males refer to their submissive as b~~tch. Sweetmale ( talk) 21:53, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
I agree with last poster. The term "boi" is a Lesbian term more than a gay male term. The word "boy" is male, but gay males often refer to their boys as chickens, who I think serve the older dominant gay males. The lesbian "boi" is the more submissive of the female partner, and may indeed be a lipstick and not a butch femme lesbian, but the significance is in that the "boi" is the submissive one, who often requires care. And he is correct in the fact that Bi-Lesbian couples will, from time to time, invite a male into their circle; however, he must be a "boi" and assume the submissive role most of the time. Such a male is dominated or ruled, and it matters little whether she used to be his wife, whether he sought them out, they sought him out, it just is. We won't say what also may be his fate or role if he accepts entering their circle. The fact that he is submissive is the "boi" factor but almost all "boi's' are lesbian or bi females. But like all terms, they become convoluted over time. My position is that boi is the submissive lesbian or a submissive male who will submit to lesbian dominance.
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A recent edit was made, edit reason stating "female-born is a cissexist term" which made two changes:
I disagree with the move [1] from Boi (gender) to Boi (sexual slang), nor do I see where it was discussed? Whilst boi is not a gender as such[1], I don't think anyone's claiming that - rather it's a term that's related to gender, and that's all that the disambiguation implies.
[1] - Though what do we mean by this? The article says "Boi" is a term for someone's gender identity, so it seems reasonable to put it as such.
Perhaps there are better terms we could use - but I don't think "sexual slang" is right. It's a term that applies to ones sexuality or gender identity, but isn't directly about being sexual (I usually think of a rather different set of words when I think of "sexual slang"!) What about Boi (LGBT), Boi (LGBT slang), Boi (sexuality) or Boi (gender identity)? I think I'd prefer one with LGBT, as that covers both sexuality and gender identity aspects. Mdwh ( talk) 11:55, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
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"bois" just means wood in French. -- 94.217.191.110 ( talk) 15:54, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
Does anyone else not feel that 'boi' has far more general application than in LGBT subcultures? It seems like it's being used to refer humorously to all manner of males, and even dogs. I never see it being used in a gay context. 2607:FEA8:4D5F:FF82:D562:D331:1B64:F471 ( talk) 11:43, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
I have heard that boi originates from slang used in black queer communities, but can't find a reliable source for this. A cursory search brings up this page, which discusses the origins of the term and links to several sources (which I haven't vetted yet). If we can find a reliable source for the term's black heritage, this should be acknowledged. Qzekrom 💬 theythem 19:14, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
If you're going to make a page for the word boi, you have to address its usage in meme culture. People are vandalizing this page because you've aggravated all the memesters of the internet. You're essentially pretending that the meme culture interpretation of the word doesn't exist. Either elaborate that the article is referring to LGBT usage specifically, amend this page by adding the meme culture interpretation, or delete this page. But as it stands now, it is simply unacceptable, and frankly, I expect better from a platform like Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.89.61.2 ( contribs) 17:23, 2019 July 26 (UTC)
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The difference between 'bois' and 'boy' is obvious in writing, but there is nothing in the article on the pronunciation of 'bois'. Is its pronunciation differentiated from 'boy', or is a listener expected to know which word is being used entirely from its context? Blurryman ( talk) 21:49, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
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Remove this shit, boi only means one thing and it is a meme
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typo: pronunication → pronunciation 82.132.185.94 ( talk) 23:03, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
In the local area of Hereford this word is used frequently as in 'he's a good 'ol Herfurd(Hereford) boi' Or such as greeting an old good friend, viz 'alright boi!' Its use can be seen occasionally on Facebook by Herefordians !! I am 77 years old 'born an bred Herfurd boi!!' and have used it since i can remember!! 185.245.188.9 ( talk) 06:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
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Kittendreamx ( talk) 18:47, 6 March 2024 (UTC) Boi is an alternate spelling of boy used to describe boys, yes, but also men, girls, women, and things that aren't even human .
I removed this sentence which I'm preserving here because the citations would be useful:
In some lesbian communities, there is an increasing acceptance of variant gender expression, as well as allowing people to identify as a boi. [1] [2] [3]
"In some.... Increasing" struck me as both when? who? and not necessarily true--certainly butch/masc/transmasc/etc identities have been around for a while, and who is "allowing" whom to identify etc. And I think the underlying thing of it being a gender expression related to butch/transmasc/androgyny/twink-ness gets addressed in the first sentence and in the body.
I also don't think the A younger bisexual or gay man who may have effeminate characteristics. The term can also be used by anyone who wishes to distinguish from heterosexual or heteronormative identities
citation works--it's mostly some guy talking (whinging, really haha) about a transmasc boi specifically, not that it's a term used by anyone.
Femboi has some citations regarding "Boi"'s use in a cis-gay-male context, like
this and
this. Not sure exactly how to write that part myself though.
KenyonP ( talk) 18:42, 12 March 2024 (UTC) KenyonP ( talk) 18:42, 12 March 2024 (UTC)