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"the lead should give due weight to where it predominately associated with". I agree. In some parts of Austria and Germany you do not find Blauer Portugieser at all. On the other hand, the wine region Moravia is basically an extension of Weinviertel in Austria, where Blauer Portugieser is a major grape. Nahabedere ( talk) 10:22, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
According to reliable sources, Blauer Portugieser is predominately associated with German and Austrian production. In the Oxford Companion of Wine, it not until the 4th paragraph of its entry that a region outside of Austria/Germany is even first mentioned (Romania & Hungary). In Jancis Robinson's Vines & Wines, Blauer Portugieser is introduced in the section on "German red grapes". In Oz Clarke's Encyclopedia of Grapes, the very sentence of the entry describes the grape as "A lightweight, high-yielding table and wine grape found in Austria and Germany....". So there is no logical, encyclopedic reason to take out from the lead the description of this wine being an Austrian and German grape. Agne Cheese/ Wine 20:46, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
But probably the most convincing source is simply any map of wine growing regions in Central Europe, which clearly shows that Weinviertel in Northern Austria and Southern Moravia, are ONE SINGLE wine growing region separated by nothing more than a country border. It would be absurd, if wine grapes would be aware of country borders instead of soil, climate etc. Nahabedere ( talk) 11:19, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
So you suggest that the Czech source provides wrong information on the Czech situation due to its nationalistic view? Do you seriously believe that the Czech source is WRONG when it writes about the situation in its OWN COUNTRY? Nahabedere ( talk) 16:23, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
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This article talk page was automatically added with {{ WikiProject Food and drink}} banner as it falls under Category:Food or one of its subcategories. If you find this addition an error, Kindly undo the changes and update the inappropriate categories if needed. The bot was instructed to tagg these articles upon consenus from WikiProject Food and drink. You can find the related request for tagging here . Maximum and carefull attention was done to avoid any wrongly tagging any categories , but mistakes may happen... If you have concerns , please inform on the project talk page -- TinucherianBot ( talk) 19:17, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
"the lead should give due weight to where it predominately associated with". I agree. In some parts of Austria and Germany you do not find Blauer Portugieser at all. On the other hand, the wine region Moravia is basically an extension of Weinviertel in Austria, where Blauer Portugieser is a major grape. Nahabedere ( talk) 10:22, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
According to reliable sources, Blauer Portugieser is predominately associated with German and Austrian production. In the Oxford Companion of Wine, it not until the 4th paragraph of its entry that a region outside of Austria/Germany is even first mentioned (Romania & Hungary). In Jancis Robinson's Vines & Wines, Blauer Portugieser is introduced in the section on "German red grapes". In Oz Clarke's Encyclopedia of Grapes, the very sentence of the entry describes the grape as "A lightweight, high-yielding table and wine grape found in Austria and Germany....". So there is no logical, encyclopedic reason to take out from the lead the description of this wine being an Austrian and German grape. Agne Cheese/ Wine 20:46, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
But probably the most convincing source is simply any map of wine growing regions in Central Europe, which clearly shows that Weinviertel in Northern Austria and Southern Moravia, are ONE SINGLE wine growing region separated by nothing more than a country border. It would be absurd, if wine grapes would be aware of country borders instead of soil, climate etc. Nahabedere ( talk) 11:19, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
So you suggest that the Czech source provides wrong information on the Czech situation due to its nationalistic view? Do you seriously believe that the Czech source is WRONG when it writes about the situation in its OWN COUNTRY? Nahabedere ( talk) 16:23, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
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