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This article seems to lack any reference to the brilliant book "Tree of Hate" by Phillip Powell, one of the most brilliant books on anti-Hispanic bias in the American education system. Harlyn35 ( talk) 13:45, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
It has been noted many times that there is massive duplication between this article and the specific one on the Spanish Black Legend.
I am therefore proposing that the majority of the material in this article be merged into the dedicated article.
Mauls ( talk) 12:21, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
agree with merger, disagree that it should merge into the other page. The other page ought to be merged into this one, as this is the older page. Boynamedsue ( talk) 07:38, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
@ Mauls: I find the following part confusing:
It sounds inconsistent and I can't follow the reasoning. Is a part missing? There are too many colons ... Can you rephrase this part to be clearer? -- Florian Blaschke ( talk) 00:13, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
Did this article begin as a translation? I noticed a couple of usages that would be unlikely from a native English speaker. — Tamfang ( talk) 00:59, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Following the discussion Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard#Black_Legend, several people have floated the idea proposal to merge Black legend (Spain) back into this article. The original decision to split was made unilaterally by an inexperienced brand-new user back in 2018. The term "Black Legend" primarily refers to the Spanish Black Legend, and it does not seem to me that the "Black Legend" concept is separately notable from the Spanish Black Legend, and therefore doesn't warrant a standalone article. Hemiauchenia ( talk) 20:44, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and implemented the merge. Hemiauchenia ( talk) 02:48, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
Gibson, discussing 'Black Legend' and 'White Legend' in one of the most important works says: ...both phrases are figures of speech, not to be taken literally as noun and modifying adjective.
[1] But authors do provide definitions which make a noun of 'legend' and these can be practical and serviceable.
Authors might be perfectly coherent while providing such a definition for their purposes, but i don't know that we could pick one of these, even without considering more polemical usage. Karmen says: Persistent employment of the label for ideological ends in order to rebut any criticism of Spain’s imperial record has made it both unsuitable to use and inaccurate.
I think even trying to encompass our reasonable author's opinions we cannot not make a really suitable and accurate definition. I think using "...is a phrase" or "...is a term" is frowned upon for article introductions, but struggling to come up with a good alternative.
fiveby(
zero)
15:53, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
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This article seems to lack any reference to the brilliant book "Tree of Hate" by Phillip Powell, one of the most brilliant books on anti-Hispanic bias in the American education system. Harlyn35 ( talk) 13:45, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
It has been noted many times that there is massive duplication between this article and the specific one on the Spanish Black Legend.
I am therefore proposing that the majority of the material in this article be merged into the dedicated article.
Mauls ( talk) 12:21, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
agree with merger, disagree that it should merge into the other page. The other page ought to be merged into this one, as this is the older page. Boynamedsue ( talk) 07:38, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
@ Mauls: I find the following part confusing:
It sounds inconsistent and I can't follow the reasoning. Is a part missing? There are too many colons ... Can you rephrase this part to be clearer? -- Florian Blaschke ( talk) 00:13, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
Did this article begin as a translation? I noticed a couple of usages that would be unlikely from a native English speaker. — Tamfang ( talk) 00:59, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Following the discussion Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard#Black_Legend, several people have floated the idea proposal to merge Black legend (Spain) back into this article. The original decision to split was made unilaterally by an inexperienced brand-new user back in 2018. The term "Black Legend" primarily refers to the Spanish Black Legend, and it does not seem to me that the "Black Legend" concept is separately notable from the Spanish Black Legend, and therefore doesn't warrant a standalone article. Hemiauchenia ( talk) 20:44, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and implemented the merge. Hemiauchenia ( talk) 02:48, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
Gibson, discussing 'Black Legend' and 'White Legend' in one of the most important works says: ...both phrases are figures of speech, not to be taken literally as noun and modifying adjective.
[1] But authors do provide definitions which make a noun of 'legend' and these can be practical and serviceable.
Authors might be perfectly coherent while providing such a definition for their purposes, but i don't know that we could pick one of these, even without considering more polemical usage. Karmen says: Persistent employment of the label for ideological ends in order to rebut any criticism of Spain’s imperial record has made it both unsuitable to use and inaccurate.
I think even trying to encompass our reasonable author's opinions we cannot not make a really suitable and accurate definition. I think using "...is a phrase" or "...is a term" is frowned upon for article introductions, but struggling to come up with a good alternative.
fiveby(
zero)
15:53, 30 March 2024 (UTC)