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The result was: withdrawn by nominator, closed by
Theleekycauldron (
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07:12, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
Created by Soulbust ( talk). Self-nominated at 03:56, 10 June 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Bigface; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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QPQ: Done. |
Overall: Please look at the close paraphrasing flagged by earwig -- evrik ( talk) 22:15, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
The article was promoted but had to be pulled out of the Queue for now due to the article currently being nominated at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bigface. The hook is currently on hold per D5 (AfD hold). @ Soulbust, Evrik, and Vaticidalprophet: Pinging you just to let you know the status and why. - Aoidh ( talk) 13:19, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
This is a company/product therefore GNG/ WP:NCORP criteria requires at least two deep or significant sources with each source containing "Independent Content" showing in-depth information *about the company*. "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. Looking at the references (all 25 of them) in the article, they are either based entirely on interviews with the founder, or are based on annoucements with no original/independent opinion/analysis/etc, or they are mentions-in-passing. Some don't even reference the company at all. None meet the criteria for establishing notability as there no in-depth "Independent Content" about the *company* and I am unable to locate anything that does. Perhaps someone else can find something? If not, this article should be deleted or merged to the article on the founder as per WP:ATD. HighKing ++ 19:07, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
Note: I'm splitting this from my user draft page and including here for any archival purposes. Soulbust ( talk) 05:56, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Sources | SIRS criteria pass? | Notes |
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6–9 | N/A | Only source background information |
1 | Perhaps | Thought S(I)RS may come into question, the "Butler famously..." and "In true 2021..." paragraphs DO PASS the Independent criteria of SIRS |
2 | Kinda relies on other sources, so maybe this fails one of the SIRS criteria but I think it's good | |
3 | Has interview portions, but mainly original writing; perhaps not "sigcov" enough | |
17 | Interview-based but creates own commentary based on it (seen in paragraphs ahead of interview; author is also Brand Marketing Specialist at Nike - rival company to shoe company Jimmy is signed to) | |
19 | Think the paragraph above is journalist providing their own commentary based on their interview, recounts origins of company (but this might be stringently picked apart by policy) | |
22 | May fail "independent" for some, but "Fitting for", "The coffee cups are branded", "His pending" are all independent journalistic coverage of the company that aren't based in interviews or quotes from Butler | |
35 | This is a primary source so would fail SIR(S), but maybe IAR on this one since it is primary sourcing giving Bigface an award | |
31 | Unsure | Unsure if this would count as RS but if so, it should pass SIRS as it is based in journalistic coverage beyond just quoting Butler and collaborators |
32 | Unsure if this counts as RS but if so, should pass SIRS | |
34 | Unsure if counts as RS, but should be good for SIRS otherwise, it analyzes and covers in detail Bigface products | |
37 | Agree with previous comments. Maybe too short of coverage? | |
40 | Unsure if this counts as RS but if so, should pass SIRS; Goes in-depth about company's bidding/auction activities; also issue disclaimer "DCN’s attempts to reach Butler and Big Face Coffee were not immediately successful." so obviously independent of any interviewing of Butler | |
41 | Unsure if this counts as RS but if so, should pass SIRS; Goes in-depth about company's coffee menu | |
4 | Yes | Excluding any interview or quotations, writer offers company news/analysis (specifically noting that Shopify declined to share sales data for Bigface NFT) |
11 | 100% includes author personal opinion ("First of all, I absolutely love this scam") | |
12 | Excluding interview-derived quotes, the source offers its own reporting of the company's activity and partnership with Shopify | |
24 | Just a magazine covering local ongoings (in this case, a Bigface x Van Leeuwen pop-up shop collab); author, while a publicist and brand consultant also mentions being a freelance journalist for this specific magazine | |
36 | I agree with Oblivy's previous comments | |
38 | Not primarily based off interviews, quotes only included through journalistic coverage. Literally details company search for COO ("When then-Heat center…" paragraph) | |
5, 10, 13–16, 18, 20, 21, 23, 25–27, 29, 30, 33, 39 | No | Interview-based for many of these. Specific comments: 18: Believe this one would be picked apart as being "interview-based" with no real extra commentary helping out here 20: Author talks about it not from interview and does genuinely mention meeting between Butler and ONYX co-founder, but quotes press release that I think would make this not meet SIRS criteria? 21 Fails not because it's interview-based but because it's not secondary, as it's a CNBC report about Butler speaking at CNBC Small Business Playbook virtual summit 23: I think this would fail independent criteria as it's based off quotes from designer who collaborated with Bigface 25: Passes all SIRS in my opinion (is interview-based but any cotntent that would count as Independent Significant coverage is more about Butler not Bigface) 27: In response to comments made about Afrotech on the AFD: Couldn't find sourcing primary or otherwise that calls Afrotech a "marketing platform" as High King states. But I can see why that is being said. Ultimately unsure though and regardless, Afrotech to me seems like a conference more so, so I can't say this fails RS especially since no previous discussion exists at WP:PERENNIAL. And this article seems like it's just a journalistic reporting on Bigface's trademark filings. That being said this particualr source seems to be based off Butler's quotes and previous reporting so I think it would fail to meet SIRS criteria regardless. 30: I think this might be too brief to be considered "sigcov" by some editors 33: Unsure if counts as RS, and unsure if the frequent mentioning of price points would cause it to fail any criteria. |
This article was nominated for deletion on 24 July 2023. The result of the discussion was no consensus. |
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Reference ideas for Bigface The following references may be useful when improving this article in the future:
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The result was: withdrawn by nominator, closed by
Theleekycauldron (
talk)
07:12, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
Created by Soulbust ( talk). Self-nominated at 03:56, 10 June 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Bigface; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy compliance:
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation |
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QPQ: Done. |
Overall: Please look at the close paraphrasing flagged by earwig -- evrik ( talk) 22:15, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
The article was promoted but had to be pulled out of the Queue for now due to the article currently being nominated at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bigface. The hook is currently on hold per D5 (AfD hold). @ Soulbust, Evrik, and Vaticidalprophet: Pinging you just to let you know the status and why. - Aoidh ( talk) 13:19, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
This is a company/product therefore GNG/ WP:NCORP criteria requires at least two deep or significant sources with each source containing "Independent Content" showing in-depth information *about the company*. "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. Looking at the references (all 25 of them) in the article, they are either based entirely on interviews with the founder, or are based on annoucements with no original/independent opinion/analysis/etc, or they are mentions-in-passing. Some don't even reference the company at all. None meet the criteria for establishing notability as there no in-depth "Independent Content" about the *company* and I am unable to locate anything that does. Perhaps someone else can find something? If not, this article should be deleted or merged to the article on the founder as per WP:ATD. HighKing ++ 19:07, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
Note: I'm splitting this from my user draft page and including here for any archival purposes. Soulbust ( talk) 05:56, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Sources | SIRS criteria pass? | Notes |
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6–9 | N/A | Only source background information |
1 | Perhaps | Thought S(I)RS may come into question, the "Butler famously..." and "In true 2021..." paragraphs DO PASS the Independent criteria of SIRS |
2 | Kinda relies on other sources, so maybe this fails one of the SIRS criteria but I think it's good | |
3 | Has interview portions, but mainly original writing; perhaps not "sigcov" enough | |
17 | Interview-based but creates own commentary based on it (seen in paragraphs ahead of interview; author is also Brand Marketing Specialist at Nike - rival company to shoe company Jimmy is signed to) | |
19 | Think the paragraph above is journalist providing their own commentary based on their interview, recounts origins of company (but this might be stringently picked apart by policy) | |
22 | May fail "independent" for some, but "Fitting for", "The coffee cups are branded", "His pending" are all independent journalistic coverage of the company that aren't based in interviews or quotes from Butler | |
35 | This is a primary source so would fail SIR(S), but maybe IAR on this one since it is primary sourcing giving Bigface an award | |
31 | Unsure | Unsure if this would count as RS but if so, it should pass SIRS as it is based in journalistic coverage beyond just quoting Butler and collaborators |
32 | Unsure if this counts as RS but if so, should pass SIRS | |
34 | Unsure if counts as RS, but should be good for SIRS otherwise, it analyzes and covers in detail Bigface products | |
37 | Agree with previous comments. Maybe too short of coverage? | |
40 | Unsure if this counts as RS but if so, should pass SIRS; Goes in-depth about company's bidding/auction activities; also issue disclaimer "DCN’s attempts to reach Butler and Big Face Coffee were not immediately successful." so obviously independent of any interviewing of Butler | |
41 | Unsure if this counts as RS but if so, should pass SIRS; Goes in-depth about company's coffee menu | |
4 | Yes | Excluding any interview or quotations, writer offers company news/analysis (specifically noting that Shopify declined to share sales data for Bigface NFT) |
11 | 100% includes author personal opinion ("First of all, I absolutely love this scam") | |
12 | Excluding interview-derived quotes, the source offers its own reporting of the company's activity and partnership with Shopify | |
24 | Just a magazine covering local ongoings (in this case, a Bigface x Van Leeuwen pop-up shop collab); author, while a publicist and brand consultant also mentions being a freelance journalist for this specific magazine | |
36 | I agree with Oblivy's previous comments | |
38 | Not primarily based off interviews, quotes only included through journalistic coverage. Literally details company search for COO ("When then-Heat center…" paragraph) | |
5, 10, 13–16, 18, 20, 21, 23, 25–27, 29, 30, 33, 39 | No | Interview-based for many of these. Specific comments: 18: Believe this one would be picked apart as being "interview-based" with no real extra commentary helping out here 20: Author talks about it not from interview and does genuinely mention meeting between Butler and ONYX co-founder, but quotes press release that I think would make this not meet SIRS criteria? 21 Fails not because it's interview-based but because it's not secondary, as it's a CNBC report about Butler speaking at CNBC Small Business Playbook virtual summit 23: I think this would fail independent criteria as it's based off quotes from designer who collaborated with Bigface 25: Passes all SIRS in my opinion (is interview-based but any cotntent that would count as Independent Significant coverage is more about Butler not Bigface) 27: In response to comments made about Afrotech on the AFD: Couldn't find sourcing primary or otherwise that calls Afrotech a "marketing platform" as High King states. But I can see why that is being said. Ultimately unsure though and regardless, Afrotech to me seems like a conference more so, so I can't say this fails RS especially since no previous discussion exists at WP:PERENNIAL. And this article seems like it's just a journalistic reporting on Bigface's trademark filings. That being said this particualr source seems to be based off Butler's quotes and previous reporting so I think it would fail to meet SIRS criteria regardless. 30: I think this might be too brief to be considered "sigcov" by some editors 33: Unsure if counts as RS, and unsure if the frequent mentioning of price points would cause it to fail any criteria. |