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Removed the {{ WP India}} template. VasuVR ( talk, contribs) 17:13, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Name "Bharat" is derived first or "India" ?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.128.221 ( talk • contribs) 16:47, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
This page currently shows a distinction between these two. Could someone please confirm if the entries under these headings are in the correct place? Wiki-uk ( talk) 16:37, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
The term Bharat refers to the historical self-ascribed term for the Indian Subcontinent. The name for the Republic of India is only an extension of that. Anyone who knows anything about the historical (not modern nation-state) of India knows that. Hence the Mahabharata, to use one prominent example. This should redirect to here: Names_of_India#Bharata.
I did not redirect this out of respect for the note left in the code. If this is not discussed within a week, I will redirect it.
NittyG ( talk) 06:24, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved ( non-admin closure) — Amakuru ( talk) 15:13, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
Bharat →
Bharat (disambiguation) – Page is tagged as disambiguation page but current title does not fit MOS disambiguation format. The redirect is currently inverted. –
Nickknack00 (
talk) 19:37, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
Bharath is something that describes the Indian subcontinent. So Bharath should redirect to this page, and not to Bharath_(actor) Abesam ( talk) 00:04, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
Bharata Khanda (भारत खण्ड) or "Bharat Kshetra" (भारत क्षेत्र) is correct word for Indian Subcontinent.- Ganesh (talk) 12:05, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
This page should be redirected to India just like Nippon and Nihon redirects to Japan.
While for the existing page, we should create a Bharat (disambiguation).
None of the links here are explicitly about Bharat the old name for India. शिव साहिल/Shiv Sahil ( talk) 16:45, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
And moreover, have a look at existing diambiguation page.
India-related terms
Bharata Khanda, the original Sanskrit name for the Indian subcontinent
Bhārat Gaṇarājya or simply "Bharat", for the Republic of India Bharata Mata (Mother India), the national personification of India as a mother
Bharat Ratna, India's highest civilian award Bharata Natyam, a classical dance form.
Businesses
BharatBenz, a truck and bus manufacture under Daimler
Bharat Earth Movers, a heavy equipment manufacturer
Bharat Electronics, a military electronics manufacturer Bharat Forge, a forging and engineering firm
Bharat Heavy Electricals, a power plant equipment manufacturer
Bharat Petroleum, an oil and gas company
Bharat Sanchar Nigam Limited, a telecommunications operator
People
Bharata Chakravartin, son of Rishabhanātha, the first Jain Tirthankara
Bharata (Mahabharata), a legendary monarch of ancient India, whose story is mentioned in the epic Mahabhārata
Bharata (Ramayana), son of Dasharatha, a character in the Ramayana
Bharath (actor), an Indian film actor, working predominantly in the Tamil film industry Bharata Muni, an Indian musicologist, author of the Natyashastra
Other uses
A name of the deity Agni Bhāratas, a Rigvedic tribe Bharat Rakshak, a defence-related website
Bharat Stage emission standards, established by the government of India
Bharath University, Chennai, Tamil Nadu, India
Bharat (film), a 2019 Hindi film
^^ There is barely any single term with name actually Bharat as a word on this page nor it holds a small para for its common name in lead. Hereby, actions need to be swift. This disambiguation page itself doesn't seem to be actually serving purpose of disambiguation of Bharat as of now. Pinging @ Vaibhavafro:, @ RaviC: and @ Bharatiya29: to opine. @ Bkonrad: for overview who has been surveilling article. Aman Kumar Goel( Talk) 06:54, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
References
The result of the move request was: Page moved. ( non-admin closure) Jerm ( talk) 20:32, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Bharat → Bharat (disambiguation) – This page should redirect to India and the existing content should be moved to Bharat (disambiguation) as per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Bharatiya 29 19:54, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
Support: As per my comments in this section. Aman Kumar Goel( Talk) 18:58, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect
Bhārat. The discussion will occur at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 April 19#Bhārat until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.
NotReallySoroka (
talk) (formerly DePlume) 20:01, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect
Bharat (place). The discussion will occur at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 April 20#Bharat (place) until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.
NotReallySoroka (
talk) (formerly DePlume) 03:03, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
Bharata currently redirects here, which makes sense as the dab page disambiguates both Bharat and Bharata. I don't think this is a good idea. Sure, the two terms may be undistinguishable in many of the modern languages of northern India, but as far as English is concerned, the two have distinct sets of meanings. Bharata refers exclusively to ancient or mythical entities, while Bharat is more or less restricted to contemporary ones. Any thoughts? – Uanfala (talk) 00:46, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
However, I'm not sure the present dab page really is doing its job well. I've had a look at the
Research:Wikipedia clickstream|clickstream data, and it appears that about almost a half of the readers landing on the dab page clicks on the link to
Bharat right at the top, which takes them to
India. But that's where a lot of those readers have actually come from, following the hatnote at the top. I suspect many of them click on "Bharat" expecting to be taken somewhere that explains the term, but instead they land right back where they started.
I'm not sure of the best possible solution; ideally, the dab can be expanded with a line or two about the name and then moved to the primary title
Bharat, but this would need reversing the RM above. And if the primary topic is kept, then at least we could retarget
Bharat to
Names of India; surely that's going to be of more use to readers? –
Uanfala (talk) 00:17, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: In this discussion, a majority of editors favored putting the dab page at the base name. This is supported by clickstream data showing that only one-fifth of people going to the dab page are looking for India, and other information showing that India may not be the primary topic in sources. Therefore I find consensus to move. ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 03:53, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
Bharat (disambiguation) → Bharat – Currently, Bharat is a redirect to India, and this is a result of the 2020 RM discussion. I propose to restore the state of affairs that obtained for the preceding decade: when the disambiguation page occupied the primary title.
The fact that India is the most significant topic to be referred to by the name is indisputable. However, I don't believe this is particularly relevant here as we're not concerned with the titling of our articles, but only with a redirect and a dab page. This, therefore, has no bearing on the topic structure and only affects links and reader searches, hence considerations of usage are paramount.
Where does a reader want to go when they search for "Bharat"? As established in this older discussion, they're unlikely to be seeking the article about the country. Everybody who's heard of the term "Bharat", including any Indian citizen who does not know English, is very well aware that the English name of the country is "India" – if they wanted the article about the country, they would have most likely searched directly. This conclusion is also borne out by the clickstream data. For January 2020 (the last full month before the RM), the link from the dab page to India was followed by just 22% of all readers. This is less than the link referrals for Bharata Khanda – an article that deals with the historic meaning of the term – which attracted 33% of readers (other significant targets include the film – 10%, and 6% each for the actor, the Mahabharata character and for Bharat Mata).
The incoming links paint a similar picture. There are 168 piped links with "Bharat" as the displayed text [2]. By fat the most common targets of those links are the Ramayana character/deity, the film and the football club, with only 12 articles (barely 7%) where India was intended. – Uanfala (talk) 01:42, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
It is simply irrelevant whether Indians or non-Indians searching for term Bharat are aware about it being India's native name or not, given it being primary topic. Accessibility would just be an opinion hereby and that is why there was an RM to move it to India as well. Since, Bharat (disambiguation) too serves purpose for other terms quite well and a hatnote guiding to the disambiguation page too lies in India, I don't see it useful in anyway to mate redirect with disambiguation page again. Primary concern of Bharat which is either referring to India or a name of India. It by default should directly guide to either India or the Names of India or a new article just about term "Bharat", not a disambiguation list of ancient deities kings, movies, companies and personalities named Bharat. Dhawangupta ( talk) 08:08, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
Everybody who's heard of the term "Bharat", including any Indian citizen who does not know English, is very well aware that the English name of the country is "India"—well put. feminist (+) 16:02, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
The redirect
Bharat/Bharata (disambiguation) has been listed at
redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the
redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 May 28 § Bharat/Bharata (disambiguation) until a consensus is reached.
Shhhnotsoloud (
talk) 15:48, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
As India is widely known as Bharat and it's one of two official names. Redirect the Bharat/Bharath to India and move it to Bharat/Bharath (disambiguation) Themodifie7 ( talk) 02:07, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
Bharatas Tribe should be added /info/en/?search=Bharatas_(tribe)
The word Bharat/Bharata comes from them. 209.159.196.217 ( talk) 13:01, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
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Removed the {{ WP India}} template. VasuVR ( talk, contribs) 17:13, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Name "Bharat" is derived first or "India" ?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.128.221 ( talk • contribs) 16:47, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
This page currently shows a distinction between these two. Could someone please confirm if the entries under these headings are in the correct place? Wiki-uk ( talk) 16:37, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
The term Bharat refers to the historical self-ascribed term for the Indian Subcontinent. The name for the Republic of India is only an extension of that. Anyone who knows anything about the historical (not modern nation-state) of India knows that. Hence the Mahabharata, to use one prominent example. This should redirect to here: Names_of_India#Bharata.
I did not redirect this out of respect for the note left in the code. If this is not discussed within a week, I will redirect it.
NittyG ( talk) 06:24, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved ( non-admin closure) — Amakuru ( talk) 15:13, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
Bharat →
Bharat (disambiguation) – Page is tagged as disambiguation page but current title does not fit MOS disambiguation format. The redirect is currently inverted. –
Nickknack00 (
talk) 19:37, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
Bharath is something that describes the Indian subcontinent. So Bharath should redirect to this page, and not to Bharath_(actor) Abesam ( talk) 00:04, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
Bharata Khanda (भारत खण्ड) or "Bharat Kshetra" (भारत क्षेत्र) is correct word for Indian Subcontinent.- Ganesh (talk) 12:05, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
This page should be redirected to India just like Nippon and Nihon redirects to Japan.
While for the existing page, we should create a Bharat (disambiguation).
None of the links here are explicitly about Bharat the old name for India. शिव साहिल/Shiv Sahil ( talk) 16:45, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
And moreover, have a look at existing diambiguation page.
India-related terms
Bharata Khanda, the original Sanskrit name for the Indian subcontinent
Bhārat Gaṇarājya or simply "Bharat", for the Republic of India Bharata Mata (Mother India), the national personification of India as a mother
Bharat Ratna, India's highest civilian award Bharata Natyam, a classical dance form.
Businesses
BharatBenz, a truck and bus manufacture under Daimler
Bharat Earth Movers, a heavy equipment manufacturer
Bharat Electronics, a military electronics manufacturer Bharat Forge, a forging and engineering firm
Bharat Heavy Electricals, a power plant equipment manufacturer
Bharat Petroleum, an oil and gas company
Bharat Sanchar Nigam Limited, a telecommunications operator
People
Bharata Chakravartin, son of Rishabhanātha, the first Jain Tirthankara
Bharata (Mahabharata), a legendary monarch of ancient India, whose story is mentioned in the epic Mahabhārata
Bharata (Ramayana), son of Dasharatha, a character in the Ramayana
Bharath (actor), an Indian film actor, working predominantly in the Tamil film industry Bharata Muni, an Indian musicologist, author of the Natyashastra
Other uses
A name of the deity Agni Bhāratas, a Rigvedic tribe Bharat Rakshak, a defence-related website
Bharat Stage emission standards, established by the government of India
Bharath University, Chennai, Tamil Nadu, India
Bharat (film), a 2019 Hindi film
^^ There is barely any single term with name actually Bharat as a word on this page nor it holds a small para for its common name in lead. Hereby, actions need to be swift. This disambiguation page itself doesn't seem to be actually serving purpose of disambiguation of Bharat as of now. Pinging @ Vaibhavafro:, @ RaviC: and @ Bharatiya29: to opine. @ Bkonrad: for overview who has been surveilling article. Aman Kumar Goel( Talk) 06:54, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
References
The result of the move request was: Page moved. ( non-admin closure) Jerm ( talk) 20:32, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Bharat → Bharat (disambiguation) – This page should redirect to India and the existing content should be moved to Bharat (disambiguation) as per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Bharatiya 29 19:54, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
Support: As per my comments in this section. Aman Kumar Goel( Talk) 18:58, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect
Bhārat. The discussion will occur at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 April 19#Bhārat until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.
NotReallySoroka (
talk) (formerly DePlume) 20:01, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect
Bharat (place). The discussion will occur at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 April 20#Bharat (place) until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.
NotReallySoroka (
talk) (formerly DePlume) 03:03, 20 April 2021 (UTC)
Bharata currently redirects here, which makes sense as the dab page disambiguates both Bharat and Bharata. I don't think this is a good idea. Sure, the two terms may be undistinguishable in many of the modern languages of northern India, but as far as English is concerned, the two have distinct sets of meanings. Bharata refers exclusively to ancient or mythical entities, while Bharat is more or less restricted to contemporary ones. Any thoughts? – Uanfala (talk) 00:46, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
However, I'm not sure the present dab page really is doing its job well. I've had a look at the
Research:Wikipedia clickstream|clickstream data, and it appears that about almost a half of the readers landing on the dab page clicks on the link to
Bharat right at the top, which takes them to
India. But that's where a lot of those readers have actually come from, following the hatnote at the top. I suspect many of them click on "Bharat" expecting to be taken somewhere that explains the term, but instead they land right back where they started.
I'm not sure of the best possible solution; ideally, the dab can be expanded with a line or two about the name and then moved to the primary title
Bharat, but this would need reversing the RM above. And if the primary topic is kept, then at least we could retarget
Bharat to
Names of India; surely that's going to be of more use to readers? –
Uanfala (talk) 00:17, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: In this discussion, a majority of editors favored putting the dab page at the base name. This is supported by clickstream data showing that only one-fifth of people going to the dab page are looking for India, and other information showing that India may not be the primary topic in sources. Therefore I find consensus to move. ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 03:53, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
Bharat (disambiguation) → Bharat – Currently, Bharat is a redirect to India, and this is a result of the 2020 RM discussion. I propose to restore the state of affairs that obtained for the preceding decade: when the disambiguation page occupied the primary title.
The fact that India is the most significant topic to be referred to by the name is indisputable. However, I don't believe this is particularly relevant here as we're not concerned with the titling of our articles, but only with a redirect and a dab page. This, therefore, has no bearing on the topic structure and only affects links and reader searches, hence considerations of usage are paramount.
Where does a reader want to go when they search for "Bharat"? As established in this older discussion, they're unlikely to be seeking the article about the country. Everybody who's heard of the term "Bharat", including any Indian citizen who does not know English, is very well aware that the English name of the country is "India" – if they wanted the article about the country, they would have most likely searched directly. This conclusion is also borne out by the clickstream data. For January 2020 (the last full month before the RM), the link from the dab page to India was followed by just 22% of all readers. This is less than the link referrals for Bharata Khanda – an article that deals with the historic meaning of the term – which attracted 33% of readers (other significant targets include the film – 10%, and 6% each for the actor, the Mahabharata character and for Bharat Mata).
The incoming links paint a similar picture. There are 168 piped links with "Bharat" as the displayed text [2]. By fat the most common targets of those links are the Ramayana character/deity, the film and the football club, with only 12 articles (barely 7%) where India was intended. – Uanfala (talk) 01:42, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
It is simply irrelevant whether Indians or non-Indians searching for term Bharat are aware about it being India's native name or not, given it being primary topic. Accessibility would just be an opinion hereby and that is why there was an RM to move it to India as well. Since, Bharat (disambiguation) too serves purpose for other terms quite well and a hatnote guiding to the disambiguation page too lies in India, I don't see it useful in anyway to mate redirect with disambiguation page again. Primary concern of Bharat which is either referring to India or a name of India. It by default should directly guide to either India or the Names of India or a new article just about term "Bharat", not a disambiguation list of ancient deities kings, movies, companies and personalities named Bharat. Dhawangupta ( talk) 08:08, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
Everybody who's heard of the term "Bharat", including any Indian citizen who does not know English, is very well aware that the English name of the country is "India"—well put. feminist (+) 16:02, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
The redirect
Bharat/Bharata (disambiguation) has been listed at
redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the
redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 May 28 § Bharat/Bharata (disambiguation) until a consensus is reached.
Shhhnotsoloud (
talk) 15:48, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
As India is widely known as Bharat and it's one of two official names. Redirect the Bharat/Bharath to India and move it to Bharat/Bharath (disambiguation) Themodifie7 ( talk) 02:07, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
Bharatas Tribe should be added /info/en/?search=Bharatas_(tribe)
The word Bharat/Bharata comes from them. 209.159.196.217 ( talk) 13:01, 20 January 2024 (UTC)