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I think the following footnotes are dubious and they don't define things:-
That doesn't define "native Taiwanese". It just says there is a tension between two groups of people due to provincial heritage.
Same problem. Two groups of people with no definition.
No definition.
No definition again. If any definition is implied, the definition is more like Han Chinese without the Aborigines. It is common knowledge that the DPP has extremely poor support amongst the Aborigines.
No definition. If any definition is implied, the definition doesn't include Aborigines, again due to DDP's poor support amongst them.
As such, I will put a dubious tag on these footnotes so we can discuss before a more precise definition is found.-- pyl ( talk) 06:18, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
"bengshenren" and "waishenren" are the correct terms - by drawing distinctions based on residential status of provinces, not by origins of the people. I maintained all the way anyway that we shouldn't use "native Taiwanese" or "mainlanders". They don't properly state what these two Chinese terms mean. -- pyl ( talk) 14:04, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Given that no reasons have been being given as to why these disputed footnotes should remain, I will now proceed to remove the disputed footnotes. If anyone believes that the footnotes should be restored, please discuss here before restoring them, per Wikipedia policy.
As a result of the removal of the footnotes, no sources are given for the claim that "native Taiwanese" means the "people who migrated to Taiwan prior to the 1945 takeover by the Republic of China from Japanese rule". At this stage, I will leave the dubious tag alone, and if no reliable sources are given by 9 October 2008 (UTC), I will remove the claim altogether.-- pyl ( talk) 10:43, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
I was born in Taipei, Im the son of migrants-KMT refugees that came to Taiwan at the end of the civil war. Care to explain how that makes me a non-native??
bollocks, really —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.19.214.164 ( talk) 16:56, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
Should this be a disambig or not? This is something that merits a proper discussion. I.e. should this term have its own article, with sections on different groups called so, or be just a disambig? The term is certainly used in Google Books enough to warrant notability, IMHO. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:01, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to Benshengren. ( non-admin closure) NasssaNser talk 11:09, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
Native Taiwanese → ? – All of the first page results for “Native Taiwanese” are about the indigenous peoples of Taiwan, except for this article, which isn’t the first result. Should be renamed to one of the alternative names mentioned in the article ( Pún-síng-lâng, Han-tsî-á or Benshengren), or have a disambiguation added to the end, with Native Taiwanese redirecting to Taiwanese indigenous peoples, or maybe becoming a disambiguation page, like it used to be prior to an IP editor expanded it MRN2electricboogaloo ( talk) 01:08, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
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I think the following footnotes are dubious and they don't define things:-
That doesn't define "native Taiwanese". It just says there is a tension between two groups of people due to provincial heritage.
Same problem. Two groups of people with no definition.
No definition.
No definition again. If any definition is implied, the definition is more like Han Chinese without the Aborigines. It is common knowledge that the DPP has extremely poor support amongst the Aborigines.
No definition. If any definition is implied, the definition doesn't include Aborigines, again due to DDP's poor support amongst them.
As such, I will put a dubious tag on these footnotes so we can discuss before a more precise definition is found.-- pyl ( talk) 06:18, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
"bengshenren" and "waishenren" are the correct terms - by drawing distinctions based on residential status of provinces, not by origins of the people. I maintained all the way anyway that we shouldn't use "native Taiwanese" or "mainlanders". They don't properly state what these two Chinese terms mean. -- pyl ( talk) 14:04, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Given that no reasons have been being given as to why these disputed footnotes should remain, I will now proceed to remove the disputed footnotes. If anyone believes that the footnotes should be restored, please discuss here before restoring them, per Wikipedia policy.
As a result of the removal of the footnotes, no sources are given for the claim that "native Taiwanese" means the "people who migrated to Taiwan prior to the 1945 takeover by the Republic of China from Japanese rule". At this stage, I will leave the dubious tag alone, and if no reliable sources are given by 9 October 2008 (UTC), I will remove the claim altogether.-- pyl ( talk) 10:43, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
I was born in Taipei, Im the son of migrants-KMT refugees that came to Taiwan at the end of the civil war. Care to explain how that makes me a non-native??
bollocks, really —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.19.214.164 ( talk) 16:56, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
Should this be a disambig or not? This is something that merits a proper discussion. I.e. should this term have its own article, with sections on different groups called so, or be just a disambig? The term is certainly used in Google Books enough to warrant notability, IMHO. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:01, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to Benshengren. ( non-admin closure) NasssaNser talk 11:09, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
Native Taiwanese → ? – All of the first page results for “Native Taiwanese” are about the indigenous peoples of Taiwan, except for this article, which isn’t the first result. Should be renamed to one of the alternative names mentioned in the article ( Pún-síng-lâng, Han-tsî-á or Benshengren), or have a disambiguation added to the end, with Native Taiwanese redirecting to Taiwanese indigenous peoples, or maybe becoming a disambiguation page, like it used to be prior to an IP editor expanded it MRN2electricboogaloo ( talk) 01:08, 29 December 2022 (UTC)