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Don't know if the following can be pruned for development/gameplay info, or people for the infobox. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 16:01, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
This may contain additional info about the game's season pass. Mainly details on the "Initiation" Pack DLC - Mainstreammark ( talk) 21:50, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
http://community.wbgames.com/t5/Official-Announcements/The-Benefits-of-WBID/m-p/13#U13 Does this info in regards to getting this skin, help in anyways? (I'm leaning towards no.) - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 02:56, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
This article only contains one image (found in the infobox), whereas Arkham Asylum and City have multiple images within their articles which are really helpful for a means of visual identification. Some good areas for an image or two would include the Gameplay and Characters sections. There is no rush for this, but I'm just saying that at one point it will be mandatory to find some free images to use in this article. I can not do this because of.....personal reasons you could say. Thank you Arkham Nation. - Mainstreammark ( talk) 01:21, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
I'm thinking users should try and aim to find a free image of Smith or Baker (don't know if any are already on Wikipedia), perhaps even an image of the new Remote Claw or Shock Gloves (if possible). - Mainstreammark ( talk) 02:47, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
Hey guys. Should Kirigi be added to the Characters section? I think so because of this source. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-09-26-batman-arkham-origins-pass-includes-five-of-the-games-dlc-packs Tell me what you think. - Mainstreammark ( talk) 21:54, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
Further comments to changes on 29 Sep as the edit summary box isn't big enough. The season pass skins are not identified in any sources so they can't be listed, I didn't notice them in the added ones anyway so I may have overlooked them. I have been looking but no source has given them yet. The season pass is a discount option for what is otherwise individually purchasable/preorderable/downloadable content and so it itself is not notable to mention. Please note that using retailers as sources is not always effective as they are often region specific, the source being used for the Black Mask DLC for instance is no use if you are outside of America, even if you ask it to redirect you to the American site it takes you to the homepage, not to the information about the Black Mask DLC. The retailers are not notable as much as identifying the actual content. The Skin Packs are collections of individual downloadable contents like the Season Pass, and I think just confuse the issue more than just referring to the individual items, as we are then grouping some together and then switching to individually mentioning others, which themselves may be included in other DLC packs or retail editions.
If it is staying in this article, per WP: NFC the album art would need to be removed as it is non free content that is similar to the infobox image. If it is ever split off the image can be readded. Darkwarriorblake ( talk) 00:54, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
Here is some response, as well as other issues brought up. For the skins, that was partially my bad. I had used this Arkhmverse source (yes I know it's a fan site, but hold on a sec), because they were one of the only sites to actually publish the actual press release from WBIE. However, looking at one of the few other sites that did publish this, Arkhamverse seemed to enhance the release with the skins in each pack. So that was my bad. However, I do believe that the skins should be listed in the packs as I don't think it would confuse the situation anymore. In my edit, I had all the skins that have been announced that correspond to the packs, and then the other leaked ones that are still unknown together. I didn't find that very confusing.
Next thing. Robin. I am still not convinced that this is Grayson, and the fact that we are getting confirmation from Holmes, who isn't even working on the multiplayer part of the game, isn't helping. We have a valid source, that confirmed from Splash Damage it is Drake, and all of the skins are Tim Drake related. None are any costume Grayson ever wore (except the Animated series one). The "classic" Robin costume is Tim Drake's first Robin costume, and you can tell because the cape is black with a yellow underside, while Dick's was all yellow. I don't know if this is just more WP:SYNTH on my part, but unless we have a better source confirming Dick Grayson, the article should either say it's Tim (because we have a proper source) or just say Batman and Robin, with Robin just going to Robin (comics). - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 18:01, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
First of all, if we are to make a separate page for the music section, I can't take that responsibility. I did it once already (myself) and I just don't have the strength to do it again. Second, a source from Eric Holmes confirming Grayson is not invalid by any means, it's just as valid as the source about Drake. No disrespect intended, but a representative from Splash Damage, could have been misunderstood easily. If you can, try to find more valid sources that confirm Drake, as I can find a handful that confirm Grayson. But that wouldn't really be very professional. Blake brings up an excellent point, that we should link Robin to Robin's page, not Dick or Tim's. As for the skins, I think that classifying skins into packs would be good.....but only for those such as ourselves. Those who just opened up Origins' page can easily be mislead or confused by it. Blake is right, If we put a "Millennium" pack or something like a "Darkest Days" pack, many would be confused. I would probably even be a bit misunderstanding. For us it would be best to use packs, but for all the people out there who will read the article, it would not be. As Favre said, "I didn't find that very confusing". I believe him, but I also believe that there would be many who would find it confusing. As for the region discussion, I don't have enough knowledge on that to put up an argument, so I'll let you both come up with a decision that's best for all. - Mainstreammark ( talk) 19:01, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
Well would you look at that. Turns out that "The Thieving Magpie" is actually a theme from an opera by Rossini. Rossini is commonly referred to by just his last name. Should be noted within the article. - Mainstreammark ( talk) 00:48, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
As far as I have read it, the game is still coming out for those platforms on the original date, October 25, just the boxed copies are delayed. So the game itself is making its European release on time, we shoudl mention it in the article but to say the European release is two weeks late because of only the boxed copy is wrong. This doesn't apply to the WiiU I imagine unless it has a digital delivery service, but the PC one is making its date in one form. Darkwarriorblake ( talk) 12:14, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
Please list your user name here if you won't be editing the article from October 23 until game completion. - Mainstreammark ( talk) 20:21, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
The plot currently contains 1112 words. The hidden note said between 400 and 700 words. It seems very well written at this point. Any ideas on how we could trim it down? - Mainstreammark ( talk) 15:29, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
Lady Shiva is voiced by Kelly Hu, as confirmed by the actress herself. https://twitter.com/KellyHu/status/394837236656906240 Could someone please update the synopsis accordingly? -- 136.181.195.25 ( talk) 14:50, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Not to be lazy, but can someone source Warden Joseph's name being Martin. Here's the source:
Thanks. - Mainstreammark ( talk) 23:48, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Don't know who made that mistake, but it's incorrect. While Gordon may have been promoted as the new leader of the GCPD, he was never given a new title. Only the title of Captain was used throughout the game. Not sure if YouTube videos are allowed, but the proof is in there...
Unless if it's because YouTube videos aren't reliable-enough sources, I'll be happy to find an article of some sort, plenty of which that confirm this fact. So for the sake of accuracy, please change it to Captain James Gordon. Thanks for reading! :) 173.186.165.111 ( talk) 06:15, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
An editor reverted my edit in which I removed the phrase from Holmes about Anarky's characterization based off of "stories from the 1980s," given the inaccuracy of the idea that there were stories (plural) about Anarky in the 1980s. While the source certainly states this as a fact, the problem is that Anarky debuted in the last few months of 1989, in a single story. All of the rest of the Anarky appearances were in the 90s and later, with most of the significant Grant/Breyfogle stories occurring in the early 90s, particularly in Shadow of the Bat. So while the statement I've deleted accurately reflects what the source stated, it is a completely inaccurate description of the verifiable facts. The objection to my edit was that the statement helps to distinguish between those early Anarky stories and the later 1997 stories, but since the source states he's referring to the stories from 1987, this doesn't carry much water. Either the phrase "from the 1980s" should be removed to make the language accurate, or it should be changed to something like "the early Anarky stories." The version now neither accurately reflects what the source says (since the source is egregiously incorrect), nor does it reflect the facts. Grandpallama ( talk) 22:13, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
Kimberly Brooks is not in the game, the credits didn't have her name listed so could anyone erase Brooks' name off the page? 76.180.221.95 ( talk) 23:29, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
The general description says that the game takes place five years before Rocksteady's Arkham Asylum, yet this fact is never stated in the game, its manual, or in any official articles that I can find. Given that by Arkham City, we know that Nightwing and at least a second Robin are present, it's almost impossible for this game to only be five to six years earlier. I was just wondering if there's actually any official source that states that this takes place five years before. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.251.137.166 ( talk) 08:00, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
Because nothing can just be simple:
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This is apparently a huge issue for whatever reason, the first is the previous sentencing, the second is Y2kcrazyjoker4's change. He made multiple changes, this was a small fragment that was undone because his changes repeated two items of information already in the opening paragraph. Although it has been undone twice, both times with an explanation, Y2kcrazyjoker4 has redone it again, in the above second form, staring the same thing both longer and more awkwardly and repeating the info about WB Montreal again. Please give input into which version is more preferable, and I note that the first is clearly referring to Arkham Origins as the object and not "as if a game has self awareness". Maybe that particular element can be phrased better (and suggestions are marked in [] which fixes Y2kcrazyjoker's cocern in 11 characters), but Y2kcrazyjoker4's version is not it. Darkwarriorblake ( talk) 23:45, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Despite it being pretty obvious that Chris Cox is the voice of Deadshot, there's been nothing we can use as a sufficient source for such. However, this interview features Cox himself confirming he played the role. Since it's Cox directly confirming, this should be sufficient, correct? -- 136.181.195.25 ( talk) 20:21, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
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Hey, sorry about adding the edits back in after asking for discussion. I couldn't think of another way to say that we should talk about this his. I have to say, those guidelines really bother me and I have to question if they are really being followed. Pretty much every page I think about that mentions a port has the developer noted on the sidebar. If I can show you guys some examples: both Mass Effect (video game) and Mass Effect 3 had port developers, which are noted under the main developer, Bioware. The game Deus Ex: Human Revolution also has port developers noted for multiple platforms, including PC, Mac, and Wii U. If you look at Epic Mickey 2: The Power of Two Wii U developers are also noted below the main developers. Finally, the reason why I believe Arkham Origins should note the developers of the Wii U SKU is because it was already done for the previous game in the Arkham series, Batman: Arkham City. WB Games Montreal actually did the port for that game, and they receive clear credit for it. If you go to their wiki page, in their list of developed titles you see the Wii U SKU of Arkham City. If you go to the wiki page of Human Head you see the same thing, their titles include the Wii U version of Arkham Origins. I believe this should be noted if only to keep consistency. I realize that it was un-sourced now and I will try to remedy that, did not know developers could be sourced. That's my argument for keeping Human Head as additional developers for Arkham Origins. - Zsxd ( talk) 04:10, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
It is rather ironic that POV is restored with an edit summary saying "Says who?", as that is precisely the point. Who says these numbers are "generally positive" rather than "mostly positive", "positive", "mixed to positive" or anything else? If 75-ish% is "generally positive", at what point would it be "mixed"? 65%? 60%? Where is the line between "generally positive" and "mostly positive"? 80%? 85%? Where did you get that line? Throughout these types of articles, we end up with on-going, slow motion edit wars from editors who draw the lines at different points and generally believe that their opinions are "facts". Instead, state the bare facts: who reported what. If the numbers are obviously positive/negative/whatever, it will be obvious to the reader and adding the statement does not improve the article. If it isn't obvious, adding your opinion doesn't resolve that. - SummerPhD ( talk) 03:47, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
Regarding these additions: First, the game as it was released was 5 years before Asylum. What happens at a later point is irrelevant, because this game, if you played it today, would still be five years before. Next, we don't have to mention Batgirl here either. Again, what happens at a later point in the franchise isn't known for this game. Someone will not gain or lose any info with this info not in the article. As for the whole "Relation to Rocksteady-developed Arkham games" section, most of that is not needed. The first paragraph of the proposed section can be moved into the development section (not outright deleted). The second is completely unnecessary. There are many sources already in the article stating it is part of the Arkham series. We don't need Hill "confirmation" on it, or the very improper line "segments of the player community openly questioned..." The whole third paragraph is already covered in the succinct line in the development section, "Although Rocksteady provided advice on technology, game mechanics and its engine, WB Montréal developed the story independently.", so it is all not needed. And regardless, most of that quote in that paragraph is "fluff", which can be boiled down to the sentence that already exists. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 20:18, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
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Batman Arkham Origins happens eight years before Asylum, not five. In Knight, it's said Firefly and Deathstroke fought Batman ten years prior, and since Knight is 15 months after Asylum, so Origins is 8 1/2 years before Asylum. Please correct this at the page. Thank you. 170.79.34.9 ( talk) 23:41, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
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Don't know if the following can be pruned for development/gameplay info, or people for the infobox. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 16:01, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
This may contain additional info about the game's season pass. Mainly details on the "Initiation" Pack DLC - Mainstreammark ( talk) 21:50, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
http://community.wbgames.com/t5/Official-Announcements/The-Benefits-of-WBID/m-p/13#U13 Does this info in regards to getting this skin, help in anyways? (I'm leaning towards no.) - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 02:56, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
This article only contains one image (found in the infobox), whereas Arkham Asylum and City have multiple images within their articles which are really helpful for a means of visual identification. Some good areas for an image or two would include the Gameplay and Characters sections. There is no rush for this, but I'm just saying that at one point it will be mandatory to find some free images to use in this article. I can not do this because of.....personal reasons you could say. Thank you Arkham Nation. - Mainstreammark ( talk) 01:21, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
I'm thinking users should try and aim to find a free image of Smith or Baker (don't know if any are already on Wikipedia), perhaps even an image of the new Remote Claw or Shock Gloves (if possible). - Mainstreammark ( talk) 02:47, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
Hey guys. Should Kirigi be added to the Characters section? I think so because of this source. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-09-26-batman-arkham-origins-pass-includes-five-of-the-games-dlc-packs Tell me what you think. - Mainstreammark ( talk) 21:54, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
Further comments to changes on 29 Sep as the edit summary box isn't big enough. The season pass skins are not identified in any sources so they can't be listed, I didn't notice them in the added ones anyway so I may have overlooked them. I have been looking but no source has given them yet. The season pass is a discount option for what is otherwise individually purchasable/preorderable/downloadable content and so it itself is not notable to mention. Please note that using retailers as sources is not always effective as they are often region specific, the source being used for the Black Mask DLC for instance is no use if you are outside of America, even if you ask it to redirect you to the American site it takes you to the homepage, not to the information about the Black Mask DLC. The retailers are not notable as much as identifying the actual content. The Skin Packs are collections of individual downloadable contents like the Season Pass, and I think just confuse the issue more than just referring to the individual items, as we are then grouping some together and then switching to individually mentioning others, which themselves may be included in other DLC packs or retail editions.
If it is staying in this article, per WP: NFC the album art would need to be removed as it is non free content that is similar to the infobox image. If it is ever split off the image can be readded. Darkwarriorblake ( talk) 00:54, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
Here is some response, as well as other issues brought up. For the skins, that was partially my bad. I had used this Arkhmverse source (yes I know it's a fan site, but hold on a sec), because they were one of the only sites to actually publish the actual press release from WBIE. However, looking at one of the few other sites that did publish this, Arkhamverse seemed to enhance the release with the skins in each pack. So that was my bad. However, I do believe that the skins should be listed in the packs as I don't think it would confuse the situation anymore. In my edit, I had all the skins that have been announced that correspond to the packs, and then the other leaked ones that are still unknown together. I didn't find that very confusing.
Next thing. Robin. I am still not convinced that this is Grayson, and the fact that we are getting confirmation from Holmes, who isn't even working on the multiplayer part of the game, isn't helping. We have a valid source, that confirmed from Splash Damage it is Drake, and all of the skins are Tim Drake related. None are any costume Grayson ever wore (except the Animated series one). The "classic" Robin costume is Tim Drake's first Robin costume, and you can tell because the cape is black with a yellow underside, while Dick's was all yellow. I don't know if this is just more WP:SYNTH on my part, but unless we have a better source confirming Dick Grayson, the article should either say it's Tim (because we have a proper source) or just say Batman and Robin, with Robin just going to Robin (comics). - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 18:01, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
First of all, if we are to make a separate page for the music section, I can't take that responsibility. I did it once already (myself) and I just don't have the strength to do it again. Second, a source from Eric Holmes confirming Grayson is not invalid by any means, it's just as valid as the source about Drake. No disrespect intended, but a representative from Splash Damage, could have been misunderstood easily. If you can, try to find more valid sources that confirm Drake, as I can find a handful that confirm Grayson. But that wouldn't really be very professional. Blake brings up an excellent point, that we should link Robin to Robin's page, not Dick or Tim's. As for the skins, I think that classifying skins into packs would be good.....but only for those such as ourselves. Those who just opened up Origins' page can easily be mislead or confused by it. Blake is right, If we put a "Millennium" pack or something like a "Darkest Days" pack, many would be confused. I would probably even be a bit misunderstanding. For us it would be best to use packs, but for all the people out there who will read the article, it would not be. As Favre said, "I didn't find that very confusing". I believe him, but I also believe that there would be many who would find it confusing. As for the region discussion, I don't have enough knowledge on that to put up an argument, so I'll let you both come up with a decision that's best for all. - Mainstreammark ( talk) 19:01, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
Well would you look at that. Turns out that "The Thieving Magpie" is actually a theme from an opera by Rossini. Rossini is commonly referred to by just his last name. Should be noted within the article. - Mainstreammark ( talk) 00:48, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
As far as I have read it, the game is still coming out for those platforms on the original date, October 25, just the boxed copies are delayed. So the game itself is making its European release on time, we shoudl mention it in the article but to say the European release is two weeks late because of only the boxed copy is wrong. This doesn't apply to the WiiU I imagine unless it has a digital delivery service, but the PC one is making its date in one form. Darkwarriorblake ( talk) 12:14, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
Please list your user name here if you won't be editing the article from October 23 until game completion. - Mainstreammark ( talk) 20:21, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
The plot currently contains 1112 words. The hidden note said between 400 and 700 words. It seems very well written at this point. Any ideas on how we could trim it down? - Mainstreammark ( talk) 15:29, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
Lady Shiva is voiced by Kelly Hu, as confirmed by the actress herself. https://twitter.com/KellyHu/status/394837236656906240 Could someone please update the synopsis accordingly? -- 136.181.195.25 ( talk) 14:50, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Not to be lazy, but can someone source Warden Joseph's name being Martin. Here's the source:
Thanks. - Mainstreammark ( talk) 23:48, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Don't know who made that mistake, but it's incorrect. While Gordon may have been promoted as the new leader of the GCPD, he was never given a new title. Only the title of Captain was used throughout the game. Not sure if YouTube videos are allowed, but the proof is in there...
Unless if it's because YouTube videos aren't reliable-enough sources, I'll be happy to find an article of some sort, plenty of which that confirm this fact. So for the sake of accuracy, please change it to Captain James Gordon. Thanks for reading! :) 173.186.165.111 ( talk) 06:15, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
An editor reverted my edit in which I removed the phrase from Holmes about Anarky's characterization based off of "stories from the 1980s," given the inaccuracy of the idea that there were stories (plural) about Anarky in the 1980s. While the source certainly states this as a fact, the problem is that Anarky debuted in the last few months of 1989, in a single story. All of the rest of the Anarky appearances were in the 90s and later, with most of the significant Grant/Breyfogle stories occurring in the early 90s, particularly in Shadow of the Bat. So while the statement I've deleted accurately reflects what the source stated, it is a completely inaccurate description of the verifiable facts. The objection to my edit was that the statement helps to distinguish between those early Anarky stories and the later 1997 stories, but since the source states he's referring to the stories from 1987, this doesn't carry much water. Either the phrase "from the 1980s" should be removed to make the language accurate, or it should be changed to something like "the early Anarky stories." The version now neither accurately reflects what the source says (since the source is egregiously incorrect), nor does it reflect the facts. Grandpallama ( talk) 22:13, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
Kimberly Brooks is not in the game, the credits didn't have her name listed so could anyone erase Brooks' name off the page? 76.180.221.95 ( talk) 23:29, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
The general description says that the game takes place five years before Rocksteady's Arkham Asylum, yet this fact is never stated in the game, its manual, or in any official articles that I can find. Given that by Arkham City, we know that Nightwing and at least a second Robin are present, it's almost impossible for this game to only be five to six years earlier. I was just wondering if there's actually any official source that states that this takes place five years before. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.251.137.166 ( talk) 08:00, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
Because nothing can just be simple:
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This is apparently a huge issue for whatever reason, the first is the previous sentencing, the second is Y2kcrazyjoker4's change. He made multiple changes, this was a small fragment that was undone because his changes repeated two items of information already in the opening paragraph. Although it has been undone twice, both times with an explanation, Y2kcrazyjoker4 has redone it again, in the above second form, staring the same thing both longer and more awkwardly and repeating the info about WB Montreal again. Please give input into which version is more preferable, and I note that the first is clearly referring to Arkham Origins as the object and not "as if a game has self awareness". Maybe that particular element can be phrased better (and suggestions are marked in [] which fixes Y2kcrazyjoker's cocern in 11 characters), but Y2kcrazyjoker4's version is not it. Darkwarriorblake ( talk) 23:45, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Despite it being pretty obvious that Chris Cox is the voice of Deadshot, there's been nothing we can use as a sufficient source for such. However, this interview features Cox himself confirming he played the role. Since it's Cox directly confirming, this should be sufficient, correct? -- 136.181.195.25 ( talk) 20:21, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
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Overall, this article is quite solid. I'll just bring up a few issues I think are problematic:
Thanks for taking the time to review/improve the article Tezero! DWB (talk) / Comment on Dishonored's FA nom! 17:46, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
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Hey, sorry about adding the edits back in after asking for discussion. I couldn't think of another way to say that we should talk about this his. I have to say, those guidelines really bother me and I have to question if they are really being followed. Pretty much every page I think about that mentions a port has the developer noted on the sidebar. If I can show you guys some examples: both Mass Effect (video game) and Mass Effect 3 had port developers, which are noted under the main developer, Bioware. The game Deus Ex: Human Revolution also has port developers noted for multiple platforms, including PC, Mac, and Wii U. If you look at Epic Mickey 2: The Power of Two Wii U developers are also noted below the main developers. Finally, the reason why I believe Arkham Origins should note the developers of the Wii U SKU is because it was already done for the previous game in the Arkham series, Batman: Arkham City. WB Games Montreal actually did the port for that game, and they receive clear credit for it. If you go to their wiki page, in their list of developed titles you see the Wii U SKU of Arkham City. If you go to the wiki page of Human Head you see the same thing, their titles include the Wii U version of Arkham Origins. I believe this should be noted if only to keep consistency. I realize that it was un-sourced now and I will try to remedy that, did not know developers could be sourced. That's my argument for keeping Human Head as additional developers for Arkham Origins. - Zsxd ( talk) 04:10, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
It is rather ironic that POV is restored with an edit summary saying "Says who?", as that is precisely the point. Who says these numbers are "generally positive" rather than "mostly positive", "positive", "mixed to positive" or anything else? If 75-ish% is "generally positive", at what point would it be "mixed"? 65%? 60%? Where is the line between "generally positive" and "mostly positive"? 80%? 85%? Where did you get that line? Throughout these types of articles, we end up with on-going, slow motion edit wars from editors who draw the lines at different points and generally believe that their opinions are "facts". Instead, state the bare facts: who reported what. If the numbers are obviously positive/negative/whatever, it will be obvious to the reader and adding the statement does not improve the article. If it isn't obvious, adding your opinion doesn't resolve that. - SummerPhD ( talk) 03:47, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
Regarding these additions: First, the game as it was released was 5 years before Asylum. What happens at a later point is irrelevant, because this game, if you played it today, would still be five years before. Next, we don't have to mention Batgirl here either. Again, what happens at a later point in the franchise isn't known for this game. Someone will not gain or lose any info with this info not in the article. As for the whole "Relation to Rocksteady-developed Arkham games" section, most of that is not needed. The first paragraph of the proposed section can be moved into the development section (not outright deleted). The second is completely unnecessary. There are many sources already in the article stating it is part of the Arkham series. We don't need Hill "confirmation" on it, or the very improper line "segments of the player community openly questioned..." The whole third paragraph is already covered in the succinct line in the development section, "Although Rocksteady provided advice on technology, game mechanics and its engine, WB Montréal developed the story independently.", so it is all not needed. And regardless, most of that quote in that paragraph is "fluff", which can be boiled down to the sentence that already exists. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 20:18, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
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Batman Arkham Origins happens eight years before Asylum, not five. In Knight, it's said Firefly and Deathstroke fought Batman ten years prior, and since Knight is 15 months after Asylum, so Origins is 8 1/2 years before Asylum. Please correct this at the page. Thank you. 170.79.34.9 ( talk) 23:41, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
@ Dibol and Darkwarriorblake: Now that the page is fully protected, please share your concerns in regards to the back-and-forth content dispute over critics concerns with the technical issues. On one side I'm hearing they were not a focal point for critics, but on the other side, I'm hearing they were major. Please explain. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) ( talk) 19:22, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
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