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Abaco barb section is pretty unencyclopedic with lots of flowery and emotional adjectives that make it sound real POV. May want to tone down the language and be more NPOV. Slapped it with the "peacock" tag. Not a crisis, but needs to be fixed. Montanabw 02:23, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Wow! Great job! I love what you all did with the page! Right on! :D -- Cher <3 ( talk) 23:52, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
It is so said about the abaco barb though —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.159.159.178 ( talk) 03:31, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was moved. Support arguments and response to pmanderson and herostratus are convincing. -- rgpk ( comment) 14:24, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
Barb (horse) → Barb horse – Relisting. - GTBacchus( talk) 22:59, 8 September 2011 (UTC)Unnecessary parentheses; the word "horse" is part of the name of the breed, not disambiguation. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 16:51, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
Anyway, I've relisted this request. We'll check in again in a week when it gets back down to the backlog section. - GTBacchus( talk) 22:59, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
Support Barb horse: WP is quite clear that WikiProjects have the authority to deviate slightly from the standard disambiguation and related guidelines for good reasons, and this is one classic case. We have about 400 (or more) horse breed articles in wikipedia. At present, there was only one that was tagged (horse breed) to resolve an ambiguity between it and a named individual animal's article; and that one, I think, just got moved to "horse" not long ago. To the best of my knowledge, this current article on the Barb may now the ONLY breed article out of all of them still titled with (horse). Here, we have a number of breeds that, in their breed name, are already designated as "horse' or "pony" and the consistency of naming has been a fairly longstanding consensus at WPEQ (I've been here over five years and breed articles were predominantly "horse" not (horse) even then. At present, WPEQ has established by consensus of the project members that (horse) is used for individually named horses (such as Secretariat (horse)) and for general interest articles in need of disambiguation. (As in bit (horse) and bay (horse). The breeds use "horse" or "pony" where there is a disambiguation issue in order to avoid confusion and to acknowledge that many breed registries often put "horse" or "pony" in their name. I have no position on second word capitalization; I personally could not care less if someone wants to go through 400 breed articles and use title case on all of them, but will note that if they do, then six months from now, someone else will go through and remove title case from all of them (it's happened in the past, at least for a few dozen at a time, and not all have been consistently fixed). I have no position on capitalization save for those cases where it looks rather absurd to use lower case (American Quarter Horse; New Forest Pony). As for Google, in this particularly situation, it's useless, as we are discussing disambiguation. In reliable reference books and sites, it's either "Barb" or "Barb horse" -- "breed" is implied. (FYI, Abaco Barb is a rare substrain discussed in the article). So let's just wrap this up and please move the article. Montanabw (talk) 03:29, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
the article mentioned "bereber muslim" peoples invading north africa, and bringing this horse. this is not possible at all. the bereber people, and their horses- were the aboriginal people of north africa at the time of the muslim expansion- the 8th century as cited. i decided to simply remove the bereber reference, so now it is clear that the bereber people where there already when islam arrived — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.135.108.254 ( talk) 10:22, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
The Abaco horses being call Barb is a relatively new concept ( less than 20 years ) , it is generally accepted that the horses are decedents of the logging horses that were used to haul logs at the Normans Castle logging operation that ended in the early 1900's , after the operation ended they released the horses , and livestock . The farm where the horses were living on is only 1 mile from the old Normans castle lumber camp .
There is no evidence that the Spanish ever colonized Abaco or the Bahamas ...see wiki Bahamas history .
A DNA test showing a genetic link to Spanish horses is inconclusive , and cannot be used to prove a theory about a shipwreck hundreds of years ago . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abaconian ( talk • contribs)
In a history book I'm reading, it states that a 13th English lord paid for one hundred "barbed horses". By this does it mean Barb horses, or is a barbed horse something else? And would Barb horses have been available in 13th century England? Zacwill16 ( talk) 11:50, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Montanabw, you've proposed a merge, but haven't given any reasons here. Anyway, I absolutely oppose such a merge – as far as I'm aware, the only thing the two breeds have in common is the word "barb" (we've already got a completely spurious block of stuff about the Abaco Barb here, apparently for the same reason, which I'll deal with in a moment). That's assuming that the Spanish Barb is in fact a breed; if it's just another name for a Spanish Colonial Horse, then wouldn't that be the appropriate merge/redirect target? Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 16:58, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
Article should be updated based on new research adding to the strong evidence that the Akhal/Teke/Turkoman, not the Arabian, is the breed of foundation stallions of the modern Thoroughbred.
“Contrary to popular belief, we could detect no significant genomic contribution of the Arabian breed to the Thoroughbred racehorse, including Y chromosome ancestry.”
“Recently... an analysis of horse Y chromosome haplotypes has indicated that the Y haplotype of the “Darley Arabian” actually originated from the Turkoman[/Akhal-Teke] horse, an ancient breed from the Middle East and Central Asia that is... also an “Oriental” type breed.”
“Five of the race-use [Arabian] horses carried the Tb-oB1* haplogroup attributed to the “Byerley Turk” foundation sire of the Thoroughbred breed. Tb-oB1* is found within a variety of breeds and lineages, including the Turkomen[/Akhal-Teke]. Therefore, these five horses may carry Y chromosomes derived from ancestors common to both racing Arabians and the Thoroughbred breed.”
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-66232-1 Greenineugene ( talk) 16:34, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
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Abaco barb section is pretty unencyclopedic with lots of flowery and emotional adjectives that make it sound real POV. May want to tone down the language and be more NPOV. Slapped it with the "peacock" tag. Not a crisis, but needs to be fixed. Montanabw 02:23, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Wow! Great job! I love what you all did with the page! Right on! :D -- Cher <3 ( talk) 23:52, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
It is so said about the abaco barb though —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.159.159.178 ( talk) 03:31, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was moved. Support arguments and response to pmanderson and herostratus are convincing. -- rgpk ( comment) 14:24, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
Barb (horse) → Barb horse – Relisting. - GTBacchus( talk) 22:59, 8 September 2011 (UTC)Unnecessary parentheses; the word "horse" is part of the name of the breed, not disambiguation. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 16:51, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
Anyway, I've relisted this request. We'll check in again in a week when it gets back down to the backlog section. - GTBacchus( talk) 22:59, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
Support Barb horse: WP is quite clear that WikiProjects have the authority to deviate slightly from the standard disambiguation and related guidelines for good reasons, and this is one classic case. We have about 400 (or more) horse breed articles in wikipedia. At present, there was only one that was tagged (horse breed) to resolve an ambiguity between it and a named individual animal's article; and that one, I think, just got moved to "horse" not long ago. To the best of my knowledge, this current article on the Barb may now the ONLY breed article out of all of them still titled with (horse). Here, we have a number of breeds that, in their breed name, are already designated as "horse' or "pony" and the consistency of naming has been a fairly longstanding consensus at WPEQ (I've been here over five years and breed articles were predominantly "horse" not (horse) even then. At present, WPEQ has established by consensus of the project members that (horse) is used for individually named horses (such as Secretariat (horse)) and for general interest articles in need of disambiguation. (As in bit (horse) and bay (horse). The breeds use "horse" or "pony" where there is a disambiguation issue in order to avoid confusion and to acknowledge that many breed registries often put "horse" or "pony" in their name. I have no position on second word capitalization; I personally could not care less if someone wants to go through 400 breed articles and use title case on all of them, but will note that if they do, then six months from now, someone else will go through and remove title case from all of them (it's happened in the past, at least for a few dozen at a time, and not all have been consistently fixed). I have no position on capitalization save for those cases where it looks rather absurd to use lower case (American Quarter Horse; New Forest Pony). As for Google, in this particularly situation, it's useless, as we are discussing disambiguation. In reliable reference books and sites, it's either "Barb" or "Barb horse" -- "breed" is implied. (FYI, Abaco Barb is a rare substrain discussed in the article). So let's just wrap this up and please move the article. Montanabw (talk) 03:29, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
the article mentioned "bereber muslim" peoples invading north africa, and bringing this horse. this is not possible at all. the bereber people, and their horses- were the aboriginal people of north africa at the time of the muslim expansion- the 8th century as cited. i decided to simply remove the bereber reference, so now it is clear that the bereber people where there already when islam arrived — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.135.108.254 ( talk) 10:22, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
The Abaco horses being call Barb is a relatively new concept ( less than 20 years ) , it is generally accepted that the horses are decedents of the logging horses that were used to haul logs at the Normans Castle logging operation that ended in the early 1900's , after the operation ended they released the horses , and livestock . The farm where the horses were living on is only 1 mile from the old Normans castle lumber camp .
There is no evidence that the Spanish ever colonized Abaco or the Bahamas ...see wiki Bahamas history .
A DNA test showing a genetic link to Spanish horses is inconclusive , and cannot be used to prove a theory about a shipwreck hundreds of years ago . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abaconian ( talk • contribs)
In a history book I'm reading, it states that a 13th English lord paid for one hundred "barbed horses". By this does it mean Barb horses, or is a barbed horse something else? And would Barb horses have been available in 13th century England? Zacwill16 ( talk) 11:50, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Montanabw, you've proposed a merge, but haven't given any reasons here. Anyway, I absolutely oppose such a merge – as far as I'm aware, the only thing the two breeds have in common is the word "barb" (we've already got a completely spurious block of stuff about the Abaco Barb here, apparently for the same reason, which I'll deal with in a moment). That's assuming that the Spanish Barb is in fact a breed; if it's just another name for a Spanish Colonial Horse, then wouldn't that be the appropriate merge/redirect target? Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 16:58, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
Article should be updated based on new research adding to the strong evidence that the Akhal/Teke/Turkoman, not the Arabian, is the breed of foundation stallions of the modern Thoroughbred.
“Contrary to popular belief, we could detect no significant genomic contribution of the Arabian breed to the Thoroughbred racehorse, including Y chromosome ancestry.”
“Recently... an analysis of horse Y chromosome haplotypes has indicated that the Y haplotype of the “Darley Arabian” actually originated from the Turkoman[/Akhal-Teke] horse, an ancient breed from the Middle East and Central Asia that is... also an “Oriental” type breed.”
“Five of the race-use [Arabian] horses carried the Tb-oB1* haplogroup attributed to the “Byerley Turk” foundation sire of the Thoroughbred breed. Tb-oB1* is found within a variety of breeds and lineages, including the Turkomen[/Akhal-Teke]. Therefore, these five horses may carry Y chromosomes derived from ancestors common to both racing Arabians and the Thoroughbred breed.”
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-66232-1 Greenineugene ( talk) 16:34, 20 June 2020 (UTC)