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Come on, this is another bullsh1t page about Chinese torture. As it is stupid, ill-logical, childish, a-historical and not worth the bandwidth it is written on I suggest a speedy deletion. Anyone have any problems with that? And by the way has the genius that wrote this seen a bamboo shoot? It is soft and bendy. It is no more likely to pierce skin than a soggy noodle. How fast do you think bamboo grows anyway? Lao Wai 15:23, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Well personally, I've heard about this many times, and I don't think it's bullshit at all. First of all, concerning the growth rate of bamboo, encyclopedia britannica states that some bamboo grows as fast as 0.3 meters per day. This is enough to kill a person in just one day, and since the death is supposed to be slow, I would not be surprised if they came up with methods that took much longer than that. So in my opinion the rate of bamboo growth is not a problem here, and you should actually learn a bit more about how fast it grows. Of course, there are some strands of bamboo that need 120 years to grow, but no one said that those strands were used in the torture, since the torturers are (unfortunately) free to choose what they want to use. I have seen many bamboo shoots, and the ones I have seen were very hard, and not soft and bendy at all. Have you actually seen a bamboo shoot, because it's certainly starting to look like you haven't. If it's so soft and bendy, how did they manage to force under people's fingernails? Last of all, some people have tried placing vinyl carpets over growing bamboos, and they say that they go through them like a hot knife through butter. Since I have not witnessed this form of torture myself, I cannot claim that it did happen, but it doesn't seem impossible, and it's definitely not "stupid, ill-logical, childish".
++"It is much like a telescope in its growth habit as it emerges. Its' [sic] growth has been measured at almost four feet in a twenty four hour period during the Spring shooting period.."
+Also, on the American Bamboo Society (amazing what kinds of clubs are out there...) FAQ, the following information on the growth rate of bamboo can be found:
++"Q. I've heard that bamboo is the fastest-growing plant. Just how fast does it grow?
++David Farrelly, in his The Book of Bamboo, says that bamboo has been measured to grow 47.6 inches in a 24-hour period. Other sources specify it was a Japanese scientist who measured the growth of a Phyllostachys bambusoides. That must have been under ideal conditions of heat, humidity and very fertile soil. But, in the less than perfect conditions in my garden, I've seen new shoots of Phyllostachys nigra 'Henon' grow about a foot a day. What's most remarkable is that eight-inch diameter, 60 to 80 foot tall bamboos have reached that height in one growing season, which might have been as short as two months."
+I don't think the speedy growth rate can be disputed at all. As for the hardness and sharpness of bamboo, someone will have to continue looking into it.
+With regards to the sticking of bamboo shoots under people's fingernails, the Falun Gong regularly claims that its adherents are subjected to this kind of torture by the Chinese government, and they stage regular dramatizations of the torture at their protests.
+ An eyewitness account of this sort of torture is described as being used by the Japanese during World War 2 in Singapore in the book "You'll Die In Singapore" by Charles McCormac.
I've heard of this torture before, but it was described to me as Japanese Bamboo Torture. Which does sort of suggest that it's a gross exaggeration (or a flat-out lie) about the dangers presented by Them Foreigners With Their Cunning Foreign Ways, as trotted out by generations of over-excitable ignorant people of every colour... a web search also brings up Nepalese Bamboo Torture, same thing again!
Of course, torture is a field that encourages all sorts of inventive unpleasantness. So I'm not saying it never happened. But there doesn't seem to be any actual *proof* out there that this torture was used, certainly nothing worth citing, so I vote for deletion. Dantheman123 14:48, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps, instead of deletion we can mark the article as "unconfirmed" or "urban legend." At the very least, present the opinian that it may or may not be true. That way, people seeking information on it won't come up empty. 75.132.188.108
The result was: rejected by
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19:35, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
Created by Abdullah raji ( talk). Self-nominated at 10:54, 7 October 2022 (UTC).
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Come on, this is another bullsh1t page about Chinese torture. As it is stupid, ill-logical, childish, a-historical and not worth the bandwidth it is written on I suggest a speedy deletion. Anyone have any problems with that? And by the way has the genius that wrote this seen a bamboo shoot? It is soft and bendy. It is no more likely to pierce skin than a soggy noodle. How fast do you think bamboo grows anyway? Lao Wai 15:23, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Well personally, I've heard about this many times, and I don't think it's bullshit at all. First of all, concerning the growth rate of bamboo, encyclopedia britannica states that some bamboo grows as fast as 0.3 meters per day. This is enough to kill a person in just one day, and since the death is supposed to be slow, I would not be surprised if they came up with methods that took much longer than that. So in my opinion the rate of bamboo growth is not a problem here, and you should actually learn a bit more about how fast it grows. Of course, there are some strands of bamboo that need 120 years to grow, but no one said that those strands were used in the torture, since the torturers are (unfortunately) free to choose what they want to use. I have seen many bamboo shoots, and the ones I have seen were very hard, and not soft and bendy at all. Have you actually seen a bamboo shoot, because it's certainly starting to look like you haven't. If it's so soft and bendy, how did they manage to force under people's fingernails? Last of all, some people have tried placing vinyl carpets over growing bamboos, and they say that they go through them like a hot knife through butter. Since I have not witnessed this form of torture myself, I cannot claim that it did happen, but it doesn't seem impossible, and it's definitely not "stupid, ill-logical, childish".
++"It is much like a telescope in its growth habit as it emerges. Its' [sic] growth has been measured at almost four feet in a twenty four hour period during the Spring shooting period.."
+Also, on the American Bamboo Society (amazing what kinds of clubs are out there...) FAQ, the following information on the growth rate of bamboo can be found:
++"Q. I've heard that bamboo is the fastest-growing plant. Just how fast does it grow?
++David Farrelly, in his The Book of Bamboo, says that bamboo has been measured to grow 47.6 inches in a 24-hour period. Other sources specify it was a Japanese scientist who measured the growth of a Phyllostachys bambusoides. That must have been under ideal conditions of heat, humidity and very fertile soil. But, in the less than perfect conditions in my garden, I've seen new shoots of Phyllostachys nigra 'Henon' grow about a foot a day. What's most remarkable is that eight-inch diameter, 60 to 80 foot tall bamboos have reached that height in one growing season, which might have been as short as two months."
+I don't think the speedy growth rate can be disputed at all. As for the hardness and sharpness of bamboo, someone will have to continue looking into it.
+With regards to the sticking of bamboo shoots under people's fingernails, the Falun Gong regularly claims that its adherents are subjected to this kind of torture by the Chinese government, and they stage regular dramatizations of the torture at their protests.
+ An eyewitness account of this sort of torture is described as being used by the Japanese during World War 2 in Singapore in the book "You'll Die In Singapore" by Charles McCormac.
I've heard of this torture before, but it was described to me as Japanese Bamboo Torture. Which does sort of suggest that it's a gross exaggeration (or a flat-out lie) about the dangers presented by Them Foreigners With Their Cunning Foreign Ways, as trotted out by generations of over-excitable ignorant people of every colour... a web search also brings up Nepalese Bamboo Torture, same thing again!
Of course, torture is a field that encourages all sorts of inventive unpleasantness. So I'm not saying it never happened. But there doesn't seem to be any actual *proof* out there that this torture was used, certainly nothing worth citing, so I vote for deletion. Dantheman123 14:48, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps, instead of deletion we can mark the article as "unconfirmed" or "urban legend." At the very least, present the opinian that it may or may not be true. That way, people seeking information on it won't come up empty. 75.132.188.108
The result was: rejected by
Cowlibob (
talk)
19:35, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
Created by Abdullah raji ( talk). Self-nominated at 10:54, 7 October 2022 (UTC).