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Suggesting a move to Bakhchysaray, which is closer to the Ukrainian spelling and pronounciation. Cossack 19:34, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
I randomly noticed that the 1981 edition of National Geographic's World Atlas also uses "Bakhchisaray". That makes slightly more than 30 years worth of international precident for that transliteration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brian1121 ( talk • contribs) 08:03, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
The current statement "Crimea, a territory recognized by a majority of countries as part of Ukraine and incorporated by Russia as the Republic of Crimea" is clumsy and inaccurate. No doubt written to avoid the editor being blacklisted by pro-Putin elements working in Wikipedia, it is inaccurate and essentially appeasement of Russia. Crimea is an Autonomous Republic of Crimea, occupied by Russia, which has purported to annex it, contrary to Ukrainian and international law. Royalcourtier ( talk) 20:38, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
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It seems a bit ridiculous that over half of this article's opening sentence is dedicated to a (clumsy and uninformative) discussion of Crimea's political status:
a town in Crimea, a territory recognized by a majority of countries as part of Ukraine and annexed by Russia as the Republic of Crimea
I understand that we are here to write an encyclopedia, but these kinds of games do not conform to WP:NPOV. Legally and politically speaking, there is no difference between the territory of Crimea and other areas of Russian-occupied Ukraine, such as Zaporozhye Oblast. We can't spend our lives frantically editing the Wikipedia pages of every small village as the Russian army moves around, so I don't think it's reasonable to include the de facto constitutional status of occupied Ukrainian territory in every single article. I suggested a change to "a town in Crimea, Ukraine", but it was reverted for being "too simplified". Therefore, as per WP:BRD, I am opening a discussion and proposing the following variants:
a town in Crimea
a town in Crimea, Ukraine, currently under Russian occupation
Does anyone else have other suggestions or comments? Many thanks in advance.
All the best, Akakievich ( talk) 17:32, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
Since several have mentioned a significant consensus, can someone link to it? Thanks. — Michael Z. 16:37, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
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Suggesting a move to Bakhchysaray, which is closer to the Ukrainian spelling and pronounciation. Cossack 19:34, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
I randomly noticed that the 1981 edition of National Geographic's World Atlas also uses "Bakhchisaray". That makes slightly more than 30 years worth of international precident for that transliteration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brian1121 ( talk • contribs) 08:03, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
The current statement "Crimea, a territory recognized by a majority of countries as part of Ukraine and incorporated by Russia as the Republic of Crimea" is clumsy and inaccurate. No doubt written to avoid the editor being blacklisted by pro-Putin elements working in Wikipedia, it is inaccurate and essentially appeasement of Russia. Crimea is an Autonomous Republic of Crimea, occupied by Russia, which has purported to annex it, contrary to Ukrainian and international law. Royalcourtier ( talk) 20:38, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
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It seems a bit ridiculous that over half of this article's opening sentence is dedicated to a (clumsy and uninformative) discussion of Crimea's political status:
a town in Crimea, a territory recognized by a majority of countries as part of Ukraine and annexed by Russia as the Republic of Crimea
I understand that we are here to write an encyclopedia, but these kinds of games do not conform to WP:NPOV. Legally and politically speaking, there is no difference between the territory of Crimea and other areas of Russian-occupied Ukraine, such as Zaporozhye Oblast. We can't spend our lives frantically editing the Wikipedia pages of every small village as the Russian army moves around, so I don't think it's reasonable to include the de facto constitutional status of occupied Ukrainian territory in every single article. I suggested a change to "a town in Crimea, Ukraine", but it was reverted for being "too simplified". Therefore, as per WP:BRD, I am opening a discussion and proposing the following variants:
a town in Crimea
a town in Crimea, Ukraine, currently under Russian occupation
Does anyone else have other suggestions or comments? Many thanks in advance.
All the best, Akakievich ( talk) 17:32, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
Since several have mentioned a significant consensus, can someone link to it? Thanks. — Michael Z. 16:37, 1 April 2023 (UTC)