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I think that the gap between the Ottoman Empire section and the "21st century section" is too great. In addition to that, the first time Baalbek has been heard of in modern times is because of Israeli agression against that town. I find it funny that foxnews puts a story up involving baalbek and not 2 hours later there is a section on this page involving "UH-60 blackhawk helicopters seen dropping israeli special forces into the city." We jumped from the ottoman empire section to a 21st century section which contained a single sentence. Piss on whoever posted that - al Azif
The following info (reversing chronological by the timeline of reports) needs summarising and adding to the article:
source: http://lebanonupdates.blogspot.com/ accessdate=2006-08-03
BEGIN QUOTE
Minute by Minute:: August 2
Source: Tayyar, New TV and other news sources
END QUOTE
Boud 00:56, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
changed part of the text in the 2006 section to read less like it was written by haaretz. Also changed the word terrorist to insurgent because technically and for all intensive purposes, they are in their own country defending their own ground. (Unsigned post by Anonymity:146.235.66.52: Hezbollah "insurgents"! Cheeky!)
In the article it is noted that "Baalbek" means "Lord of the Beqaa valley", however " Beqaa" itself literally means "valley", so shouldn't "Lord of the Valley" be the more correct literal translation of "Baalbek" instead of the current phrasing which seems a bit redundant to me? 72.27.85.54 02:40, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
I deleted the following:
On July 30, 2006, the New York Times reported slight damage to the ruins from vibrations caused by Israeli aerial bombing[1]"
The NY-Times-article does NOT mention any damage of the ruins. (Better you copy & paste the address in your browser to open the NY-Times-article). E. B., 21:27, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
note from NYT article:
Those comments are from the mayor of Baalbek, he seems to be remarking that the Israeli bombs widened existing cracks in the ruins.
I would like to show 'the' stone. Its a puzzle how it was worked and moved. The picture depicted on wikipedia.de givse an idea of its size. Would be wonderfull to have the picture here and on commons. Pitohui ( talk) 10:21, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
The largest trilithon stone is aproximately 3.4 meters by 4.5 meters by 19 meters. (source: http://www.sacredsites.com/middle_east/lebanon/baalbek.htm ) That comes to 290 cubic meters. If the measurements from sacred sites are right and it is limestone (average density 2.4 tons) then the stones should be about 696 tons. If it is high density limestone (density 2.9 tons) then the stones should be about 841 tons. If the stones are granite and the measurements from sacred sites are right then they should weigh about 870 tons.
Another source shows slightly higher dimensions and claims it is limestone perhaps high density limestone. but it still wouldn't be over 900 tons.
This is not what I have seen posted on this site or heard from other sources. If any one can confirm the measurements of the Trilithon stones please do so. If any one knows what type of stone they are please post that. thanks. Zacherystaylor ( talk) 07:51, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that the distance from the quarry was changed to a 5 minute walk from 3 miles. I have seen several sources that claimed it was either several miles away or in one case it said specifically 3 miles. This source is History Channel "Mega Movers: Ancient Mystery Moves". I don't remember the other sources off the top of my head but since I'm sure it came from several sources I suspect the 3 mile estimate is more reliable. It sounds like they may have confused a 5 minute drive with a 5 minute walk. If there is no objection I'll change it back with this source. good day Zacherystaylor ( talk) 16:25, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
my english is not very good but did I understood this point in the article right, that Roger Hopkins try to prove the possibility of transport with wooden rollers by using steel rollers? If yes: LOL -- Hartmann Schedel ( talk) 12:12, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- .
Source of Information: https://journals.openedition.org/syria/5002
Indian Elephant Fossils were found in BaalBEK. [1]Only Indian Elephants can be tamed & made to work. Indian Elephants are largest land animals and could be used to work/carry heavy load. Also Indians are known to have made Angkor Wat temple complex in Cambodia. There are many ancient stone carved buildings made by Indian Sculptures still found. eg: Buddhas of Bamyan, Kailasa Temple (The Massive Temple Was Chiseled By Hand For More Than 20 Year) etc. There are more than 50 examples which i can write. Also notable is the fact that no such monuments are found in Africa which rules out the possibility of African elephants.
Other important points for discussion could be : The stone lotuses carved on the ceilings of Baalbek. That is intriguing, because there were no lotus Plants in Lebanon those days. Lotus plants grow in places with lots of water. But in India lotus is the most common symbolism of spirituality. You will rarely find a temple without Lotus. Also 16-cornered stone is found in baalbek seems to have some connection with India because such geometry has a purpose & meaning in Indian culture. Indian civilization is very old enough to be co-related & with similar large monuments made of stone carvings.
[6]
In my opinion possibility of Indian culture & Influence shouldn't be ruled out till it is confirmed that it was built by "XYZ" using "ABC" technique for moving stones.
139.5.240.92 (
talk) 22:13, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
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References
There is no mention on this site of of the Temple of Jupiter being turned into a fortress. This is evident from the columns being felled and stacked into walls to act as protection. This is the same as at the Roman temple and city complex at Sbeitla http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sbeitla where the whole temple complex was surrounded by a hastily built wall formed from every stone imaginable.
At Sbeitla this late fortification just before the fall of the city is acknowledged in the site literature, but not at Baalbek. I would estimate the same cause for the fortiication, being the Arab invasions in the 8th or 9th centuries. Same era as the demise of the Dead Cities of Aleppo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Cities. Narwhal2 ( talk) 08:49, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
The German Archaeological Institute web site [7] says "The third temple, the so-called temple of Venus, was - just as the temples of Jupiter and Bacchus - always visible and in use for the last 1800 years. It is a small round temple with "baroque", concave outer walls constructed in the 3rd century AD. Although its attribution to the goddess Venus is certainly wrong, this traditional name will be used until a more secure identification is possible." and "The temple is preserved up to the level of the roof support and conveys a good impression of the rich architectural decorations of the temples of Baalbek. Its supposed dedication to Bacchus was based on two reliefs flanking the stairway leading up to the cella, but this attribution remains open to discussion." Dougweller ( talk) 15:55, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
Found these excerpts from archaeological reports on a forum:
(Bulletin d'Archologie et d'Architecture Libanaise)
Again some later excavations and research on the site during the 1960's - 70's included in a report published 2002-03.
("Archaeological Research in Baalbek. A preliminary report on the 2001-2003 seasons")
Some mentions on some of the actual finds of the Complex.
(Archaeological Research in Baalbek) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dougweller ( talk • contribs) 16:19, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
Also see [8] - not, I emphasise, a source that can be used, but perhaps a lead to useful sources. Note the suggestion about winches. Dougweller ( talk) 16:26, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
I have found several sites referring to Vince Lee including one from PBS and National Geographic that cite him and his work or theories about megaliths. They are here: one, two and three. They don't specifically refer to Baalbek but they do indicate that he has been recognized in this field by several notable institutions. Also since his work is presented as theory not conclusive fact the standards don’t need to be quite as rigorous. Zacherystaylor ( talk) 18:38, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
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The editor who made the changes from Baalbek to Baalbeck has pointed me to [9] and (with no url), Lebanon's Ministry of Tourism, but there I find [10] (Baalbeck in the url) but that uses Baalbek, although [11] uses Baalbeck. Dougweller ( talk) 06:57, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
The first couple of paragraphs are quite well written, but not exactly neutral POV, however impressive the ruins may be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.156.188.28 ( talk) 21:32, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
Professor Stefan Winter states in his book The Shiite Emirates of Ottoman Syria (MID 17th –MID 18th Century),page 236:
I kindly advice you to read the above mentioned book, where I’m sure that this book will change all the miss concept of the history of the Ottoman in Baalback and Bekaa Families, bearing in mind that Harfush’s family ruled Baalback and Bekaa for 350 years.-- Mharfouche ( talk) 12:02, 12 December 2014 (UTC) Mharfouche
Dear Sirs
This is the link of the book " The Shiite Emirates Of The Ottoman Of Syria" By Professor Stefan Winter , must be read when we tolk about Baalbek during the Ottoman period because we are talking about documented facts not a point of views.
Best regards
Mharfouche
--
Mharfouche (
talk) 20:04, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Please see this link: http://www.insightturkey.com/the-shiites-of-lebanon-under-ottoman-rule-1516-1788/book-reviews/21 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mharfouche ( talk • contribs) 06:53, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
This edit (a paste of the EB11 article) established the usage of this page as British English and BC/AD. Kindly maintain them consistently pending a new consensus to the contrary. — LlywelynII 00:02, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
This pronunciation at Forvo certainly sounds closer to /'bʕælbɛk/ than what we have now. Granted, it's by an Arabic-speaking American, but locals must speak (or have spoken) something closer to that than BAHL-beek (/ˈbʕalbik/), which is what we have now. The "Lebanese pronunciation" especially needs double-checking and sourcing because it's certainly WP:OR: the page used to list the pronunciation as /ˈbʕalbak/ and an editor changed it with no explanation/sourcing whatever. (Normally, I'd be fine with leaving all of the IPA goop for the Wiktionary entry, but we should explain the glottal stop [done] and the proper local pronunciation, I think, since Lebanese Arabic can turn MSA /a/ into several distinct sounds... albeit none of them /i/.) — LlywelynII 10:27, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
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But don't return that to the top of the page: it needs to be noted that the Arabic page is almost entirely unsourced and can only be used as a guide for topics to look at for further expansion. — LlywelynII 07:38, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
The EI has it falling after a 4 mo siege in 1174; Lock says
That doesn't say who took it but a later entry mentions Saladin offering to "hand back" Baalbek.
So, same deal with the initial conquest by Abu Ubaidah: did it fall in one year with a siege or a different year bloodlessly? and why are the sources so confused on the point? — LlywelynII 23:06, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
Probably not focused enough on Heliopolis, but interesting enough to link to here anyway. Could possibly be included if article expands some or if Heliopolis gets split off. — LlywelynII 14:01, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
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Under the Name section we have "A few miles from the from which the Litani . . ."
from the from? I think we're missing a name here. 50.43.39.82 ( talk) 20:17, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
I have removed the background to these events [13], which did not represent a balanced summary of 2006 Lebanon War. I am not convinced that it's appropriate for us to get into that on this article. Onceinawhile ( talk) 16:43, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
"Baalbek's citadel served as a jail for Crusaders taken by the Zengids as prisoners of war. [1] In 1171, these captives successfully overpowered their guards and took possession of the castle from its garrison. Muslims from the surrounding area gathered, however, and entered the castle through a secret passageway shown to them by a local. The Crusaders were then massacred. [1]"
Is there a source for this that isn't Alouf's book? There do not appear to be any further citations in there, and I can't find this story in any of the usual crusader or Muslim sources for the period. The only similar event I can find is a crusader raid against Muslim territory in 1170, which is in the chronicle of Ibn al-Athir, but he only mentions the raid taking place near Baalbek (pg 185 in part 2 of the Richards translation), not that prisoners were massacred there. Maybe Alouf misinterpreted something...but maybe I haven't exhausted all the possible sources. So where could this be? Adam Bishop ( talk) 02:00, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
Does anyone know the current religious demographics of Baalbek? The statistics from 1998 are probably too outdated for this article in my opinion.
Again, the climatic description writes: “450mm on average” and the chart shows 389mm on average. דולב חולב ( talk) 03:16, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
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I think that the gap between the Ottoman Empire section and the "21st century section" is too great. In addition to that, the first time Baalbek has been heard of in modern times is because of Israeli agression against that town. I find it funny that foxnews puts a story up involving baalbek and not 2 hours later there is a section on this page involving "UH-60 blackhawk helicopters seen dropping israeli special forces into the city." We jumped from the ottoman empire section to a 21st century section which contained a single sentence. Piss on whoever posted that - al Azif
The following info (reversing chronological by the timeline of reports) needs summarising and adding to the article:
source: http://lebanonupdates.blogspot.com/ accessdate=2006-08-03
BEGIN QUOTE
Minute by Minute:: August 2
Source: Tayyar, New TV and other news sources
END QUOTE
Boud 00:56, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
changed part of the text in the 2006 section to read less like it was written by haaretz. Also changed the word terrorist to insurgent because technically and for all intensive purposes, they are in their own country defending their own ground. (Unsigned post by Anonymity:146.235.66.52: Hezbollah "insurgents"! Cheeky!)
In the article it is noted that "Baalbek" means "Lord of the Beqaa valley", however " Beqaa" itself literally means "valley", so shouldn't "Lord of the Valley" be the more correct literal translation of "Baalbek" instead of the current phrasing which seems a bit redundant to me? 72.27.85.54 02:40, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
I deleted the following:
On July 30, 2006, the New York Times reported slight damage to the ruins from vibrations caused by Israeli aerial bombing[1]"
The NY-Times-article does NOT mention any damage of the ruins. (Better you copy & paste the address in your browser to open the NY-Times-article). E. B., 21:27, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
note from NYT article:
Those comments are from the mayor of Baalbek, he seems to be remarking that the Israeli bombs widened existing cracks in the ruins.
I would like to show 'the' stone. Its a puzzle how it was worked and moved. The picture depicted on wikipedia.de givse an idea of its size. Would be wonderfull to have the picture here and on commons. Pitohui ( talk) 10:21, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
The largest trilithon stone is aproximately 3.4 meters by 4.5 meters by 19 meters. (source: http://www.sacredsites.com/middle_east/lebanon/baalbek.htm ) That comes to 290 cubic meters. If the measurements from sacred sites are right and it is limestone (average density 2.4 tons) then the stones should be about 696 tons. If it is high density limestone (density 2.9 tons) then the stones should be about 841 tons. If the stones are granite and the measurements from sacred sites are right then they should weigh about 870 tons.
Another source shows slightly higher dimensions and claims it is limestone perhaps high density limestone. but it still wouldn't be over 900 tons.
This is not what I have seen posted on this site or heard from other sources. If any one can confirm the measurements of the Trilithon stones please do so. If any one knows what type of stone they are please post that. thanks. Zacherystaylor ( talk) 07:51, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that the distance from the quarry was changed to a 5 minute walk from 3 miles. I have seen several sources that claimed it was either several miles away or in one case it said specifically 3 miles. This source is History Channel "Mega Movers: Ancient Mystery Moves". I don't remember the other sources off the top of my head but since I'm sure it came from several sources I suspect the 3 mile estimate is more reliable. It sounds like they may have confused a 5 minute drive with a 5 minute walk. If there is no objection I'll change it back with this source. good day Zacherystaylor ( talk) 16:25, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
my english is not very good but did I understood this point in the article right, that Roger Hopkins try to prove the possibility of transport with wooden rollers by using steel rollers? If yes: LOL -- Hartmann Schedel ( talk) 12:12, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- .
Source of Information: https://journals.openedition.org/syria/5002
Indian Elephant Fossils were found in BaalBEK. [1]Only Indian Elephants can be tamed & made to work. Indian Elephants are largest land animals and could be used to work/carry heavy load. Also Indians are known to have made Angkor Wat temple complex in Cambodia. There are many ancient stone carved buildings made by Indian Sculptures still found. eg: Buddhas of Bamyan, Kailasa Temple (The Massive Temple Was Chiseled By Hand For More Than 20 Year) etc. There are more than 50 examples which i can write. Also notable is the fact that no such monuments are found in Africa which rules out the possibility of African elephants.
Other important points for discussion could be : The stone lotuses carved on the ceilings of Baalbek. That is intriguing, because there were no lotus Plants in Lebanon those days. Lotus plants grow in places with lots of water. But in India lotus is the most common symbolism of spirituality. You will rarely find a temple without Lotus. Also 16-cornered stone is found in baalbek seems to have some connection with India because such geometry has a purpose & meaning in Indian culture. Indian civilization is very old enough to be co-related & with similar large monuments made of stone carvings.
[6]
In my opinion possibility of Indian culture & Influence shouldn't be ruled out till it is confirmed that it was built by "XYZ" using "ABC" technique for moving stones.
139.5.240.92 (
talk) 22:13, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- .
References
There is no mention on this site of of the Temple of Jupiter being turned into a fortress. This is evident from the columns being felled and stacked into walls to act as protection. This is the same as at the Roman temple and city complex at Sbeitla http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sbeitla where the whole temple complex was surrounded by a hastily built wall formed from every stone imaginable.
At Sbeitla this late fortification just before the fall of the city is acknowledged in the site literature, but not at Baalbek. I would estimate the same cause for the fortiication, being the Arab invasions in the 8th or 9th centuries. Same era as the demise of the Dead Cities of Aleppo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Cities. Narwhal2 ( talk) 08:49, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
The German Archaeological Institute web site [7] says "The third temple, the so-called temple of Venus, was - just as the temples of Jupiter and Bacchus - always visible and in use for the last 1800 years. It is a small round temple with "baroque", concave outer walls constructed in the 3rd century AD. Although its attribution to the goddess Venus is certainly wrong, this traditional name will be used until a more secure identification is possible." and "The temple is preserved up to the level of the roof support and conveys a good impression of the rich architectural decorations of the temples of Baalbek. Its supposed dedication to Bacchus was based on two reliefs flanking the stairway leading up to the cella, but this attribution remains open to discussion." Dougweller ( talk) 15:55, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
Found these excerpts from archaeological reports on a forum:
(Bulletin d'Archologie et d'Architecture Libanaise)
Again some later excavations and research on the site during the 1960's - 70's included in a report published 2002-03.
("Archaeological Research in Baalbek. A preliminary report on the 2001-2003 seasons")
Some mentions on some of the actual finds of the Complex.
(Archaeological Research in Baalbek) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dougweller ( talk • contribs) 16:19, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
Also see [8] - not, I emphasise, a source that can be used, but perhaps a lead to useful sources. Note the suggestion about winches. Dougweller ( talk) 16:26, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
I have found several sites referring to Vince Lee including one from PBS and National Geographic that cite him and his work or theories about megaliths. They are here: one, two and three. They don't specifically refer to Baalbek but they do indicate that he has been recognized in this field by several notable institutions. Also since his work is presented as theory not conclusive fact the standards don’t need to be quite as rigorous. Zacherystaylor ( talk) 18:38, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:Pano Baalbek 1.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on January 30, 2012. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2012-01-30. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :) Thanks! — howcheng { chat} 23:42, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
The editor who made the changes from Baalbek to Baalbeck has pointed me to [9] and (with no url), Lebanon's Ministry of Tourism, but there I find [10] (Baalbeck in the url) but that uses Baalbek, although [11] uses Baalbeck. Dougweller ( talk) 06:57, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
The first couple of paragraphs are quite well written, but not exactly neutral POV, however impressive the ruins may be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.156.188.28 ( talk) 21:32, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
Professor Stefan Winter states in his book The Shiite Emirates of Ottoman Syria (MID 17th –MID 18th Century),page 236:
I kindly advice you to read the above mentioned book, where I’m sure that this book will change all the miss concept of the history of the Ottoman in Baalback and Bekaa Families, bearing in mind that Harfush’s family ruled Baalback and Bekaa for 350 years.-- Mharfouche ( talk) 12:02, 12 December 2014 (UTC) Mharfouche
Dear Sirs
This is the link of the book " The Shiite Emirates Of The Ottoman Of Syria" By Professor Stefan Winter , must be read when we tolk about Baalbek during the Ottoman period because we are talking about documented facts not a point of views.
Best regards
Mharfouche
--
Mharfouche (
talk) 20:04, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Please see this link: http://www.insightturkey.com/the-shiites-of-lebanon-under-ottoman-rule-1516-1788/book-reviews/21 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mharfouche ( talk • contribs) 06:53, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
This edit (a paste of the EB11 article) established the usage of this page as British English and BC/AD. Kindly maintain them consistently pending a new consensus to the contrary. — LlywelynII 00:02, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
This pronunciation at Forvo certainly sounds closer to /'bʕælbɛk/ than what we have now. Granted, it's by an Arabic-speaking American, but locals must speak (or have spoken) something closer to that than BAHL-beek (/ˈbʕalbik/), which is what we have now. The "Lebanese pronunciation" especially needs double-checking and sourcing because it's certainly WP:OR: the page used to list the pronunciation as /ˈbʕalbak/ and an editor changed it with no explanation/sourcing whatever. (Normally, I'd be fine with leaving all of the IPA goop for the Wiktionary entry, but we should explain the glottal stop [done] and the proper local pronunciation, I think, since Lebanese Arabic can turn MSA /a/ into several distinct sounds... albeit none of them /i/.) — LlywelynII 10:27, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
You can help expand this article with text translated from
the corresponding article in Arabic. (October 2014) Click [show] for important translation instructions.
|
But don't return that to the top of the page: it needs to be noted that the Arabic page is almost entirely unsourced and can only be used as a guide for topics to look at for further expansion. — LlywelynII 07:38, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
The EI has it falling after a 4 mo siege in 1174; Lock says
That doesn't say who took it but a later entry mentions Saladin offering to "hand back" Baalbek.
So, same deal with the initial conquest by Abu Ubaidah: did it fall in one year with a siege or a different year bloodlessly? and why are the sources so confused on the point? — LlywelynII 23:06, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
Probably not focused enough on Heliopolis, but interesting enough to link to here anyway. Could possibly be included if article expands some or if Heliopolis gets split off. — LlywelynII 14:01, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
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Under the Name section we have "A few miles from the from which the Litani . . ."
from the from? I think we're missing a name here. 50.43.39.82 ( talk) 20:17, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
I have removed the background to these events [13], which did not represent a balanced summary of 2006 Lebanon War. I am not convinced that it's appropriate for us to get into that on this article. Onceinawhile ( talk) 16:43, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
"Baalbek's citadel served as a jail for Crusaders taken by the Zengids as prisoners of war. [1] In 1171, these captives successfully overpowered their guards and took possession of the castle from its garrison. Muslims from the surrounding area gathered, however, and entered the castle through a secret passageway shown to them by a local. The Crusaders were then massacred. [1]"
Is there a source for this that isn't Alouf's book? There do not appear to be any further citations in there, and I can't find this story in any of the usual crusader or Muslim sources for the period. The only similar event I can find is a crusader raid against Muslim territory in 1170, which is in the chronicle of Ibn al-Athir, but he only mentions the raid taking place near Baalbek (pg 185 in part 2 of the Richards translation), not that prisoners were massacred there. Maybe Alouf misinterpreted something...but maybe I haven't exhausted all the possible sources. So where could this be? Adam Bishop ( talk) 02:00, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
Does anyone know the current religious demographics of Baalbek? The statistics from 1998 are probably too outdated for this article in my opinion.
Again, the climatic description writes: “450mm on average” and the chart shows 389mm on average. דולב חולב ( talk) 03:16, 2 March 2024 (UTC)