Oddly, notability is not a
GA criterion.
WP:OR, however, is an issue that must be dealt with. Of course, if the article is merged before this GAR is completed, the GAR ends immediately since the article no longer exists...
BlueMoonset (
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03:06, 9 January 2017 (UTC)reply
I see your point but we only have two small paragraphs of critical reception about the character. The rest are parodies about her. There is a user in the Wikiproject for manga and anime who always collects reviews and brings them to the talk page so I think we could ask for help before the article is merged.
Tintor2 (
talk)
22:17, 9 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Question - Have Japanese sources been sought for? Given the popularity of Kanon (particularly the original VN) there could be coverage about Tsukimiya out there in Japanese.
Narutolovehinata5tccsdnew15:06, 10 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Thank you. Whatever happens, this section will certainly survive, even if merged. I'll however point out that we still haven't found a single source about the character, only mentions of her in reviews of the anime. As the anime is relatively popular, it is of course given she will be mentioned in passing in a number of sources. But passing mentions, and those seem to be all we have so far, are problematic when it comes to proving she deserves a stand-alone article. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here15:31, 12 January 2017 (UTC)reply
If you need a reference, try
Ellie (The Last of Us). While some of the references are just taken from interviews and game reviews, a lot of the references talk directly about the character, such as
this,
this,
this,
this, and
this. I'm not sure if you'll find have any luck finding individual articles about Ayu, but at least you know what to aim for.
Famous Hobo (
talk)
02:41, 14 January 2017 (UTC)reply
You're right, those articles have nothing to do with Ayu. But, what I'm trying to show is that for finding references for character articles on wikipedia, try and find references that primarily focus on the character in question. For example,
Ellie (The Last of Us) is a very notable character, to the point where gaming websites have written multipage analysis articles on her. The current Wikipedia article for Ellie does a great job of finding articles specifically about Ellie. What I'm trying to suggest is for Ayu, try to find articles that soley talk about her, whether that be from a development or reception standpoint. Don't just use small portions of articles or interviews that don't focus on her to comprise the references. Hopefully that made sense.
Famous Hobo (
talk)
19:29, 27 January 2017 (UTC)reply
I agree that the sourcing doesn't establish the character as independently notable from the series and that its contents should be merged into the parent series article. Previously discussed on article talk page and in other merge/deletion discussions related to Key's visual novels (all of which once had excessive, separate character articles). czar21:05, 18 February 2017 (UTC)reply
@
Piotrus: It's been over 3 months since this reassessment was opened and it's probably due some closure. Are you aware that this is an individual reassessment? The closing decision should be left to the editor initiating this reassessment, which is you. This discussion reads more like a merge proposal so GAR probably isn't the right avenue. --
The1337gamer (
talk)
19:52, 11 April 2017 (UTC)reply
Oddly, notability is not a
GA criterion.
WP:OR, however, is an issue that must be dealt with. Of course, if the article is merged before this GAR is completed, the GAR ends immediately since the article no longer exists...
BlueMoonset (
talk)
03:06, 9 January 2017 (UTC)reply
I see your point but we only have two small paragraphs of critical reception about the character. The rest are parodies about her. There is a user in the Wikiproject for manga and anime who always collects reviews and brings them to the talk page so I think we could ask for help before the article is merged.
Tintor2 (
talk)
22:17, 9 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Question - Have Japanese sources been sought for? Given the popularity of Kanon (particularly the original VN) there could be coverage about Tsukimiya out there in Japanese.
Narutolovehinata5tccsdnew15:06, 10 January 2017 (UTC)reply
Thank you. Whatever happens, this section will certainly survive, even if merged. I'll however point out that we still haven't found a single source about the character, only mentions of her in reviews of the anime. As the anime is relatively popular, it is of course given she will be mentioned in passing in a number of sources. But passing mentions, and those seem to be all we have so far, are problematic when it comes to proving she deserves a stand-alone article. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here15:31, 12 January 2017 (UTC)reply
If you need a reference, try
Ellie (The Last of Us). While some of the references are just taken from interviews and game reviews, a lot of the references talk directly about the character, such as
this,
this,
this,
this, and
this. I'm not sure if you'll find have any luck finding individual articles about Ayu, but at least you know what to aim for.
Famous Hobo (
talk)
02:41, 14 January 2017 (UTC)reply
You're right, those articles have nothing to do with Ayu. But, what I'm trying to show is that for finding references for character articles on wikipedia, try and find references that primarily focus on the character in question. For example,
Ellie (The Last of Us) is a very notable character, to the point where gaming websites have written multipage analysis articles on her. The current Wikipedia article for Ellie does a great job of finding articles specifically about Ellie. What I'm trying to suggest is for Ayu, try to find articles that soley talk about her, whether that be from a development or reception standpoint. Don't just use small portions of articles or interviews that don't focus on her to comprise the references. Hopefully that made sense.
Famous Hobo (
talk)
19:29, 27 January 2017 (UTC)reply
I agree that the sourcing doesn't establish the character as independently notable from the series and that its contents should be merged into the parent series article. Previously discussed on article talk page and in other merge/deletion discussions related to Key's visual novels (all of which once had excessive, separate character articles). czar21:05, 18 February 2017 (UTC)reply
@
Piotrus: It's been over 3 months since this reassessment was opened and it's probably due some closure. Are you aware that this is an individual reassessment? The closing decision should be left to the editor initiating this reassessment, which is you. This discussion reads more like a merge proposal so GAR probably isn't the right avenue. --
The1337gamer (
talk)
19:52, 11 April 2017 (UTC)reply