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What a disgustingly biased page. This talks about the Itamar killers as being "suspected" of being from Awarta, while making no mention of the fact that they confessed and were in fact from Awarta. Instead, it shamelessly uses this brutal murder as a way to slander Israel. When is Wikipedia going to do something about this?
The article now has: "Awarta has been inhabited since Biblical times.." sourced to "Biblical Holy Places: An Illustrated Guide" by Rivka Gonen. She gives no sources (except the Bible....)
However, Finkelstein et. al, 1997, p. 706, writes:
The village was not surveyed by our team. It was visited by Kallai (1972:29), but no pottery was collected. For two Samaritan inscriptions which possibly originated from 'Awarta - one apparently dating to the 14th century and the other from recent centuries- see Baillet 1964. The village appears in the Talmud (Jer. Bikurim I 63d; B. Berakhoth 39a) and in the Samaritan sources (Conder 1876:196; Ben-Zvi 1970:59-62; Hüttenmeister and Reeg 1977:554-556). It was almost certainly inhabited in the Byzantine period. The ancient name was probably Gibea, or Gabaas (see Onomasticon 70:23; Wilkinson 1977:51).
It is mentioned by travellers of the Crusader period (Beyer 1940: 190). The village and its holy tombs are mentioned by 'Ali of Herat (12th century), Yaqut (III:745) and Mujir ed-Din (15th century). For some of these references see Le Strange 1890:404; Marmardji 1951:151. 'Awarta appears in the Early Ottoman deftar (Hütteroth and Abdulfattah 1977). The size of the site was determined according to this source (Cohen Finkelstein 1991).
So Finkelstein does not have any info pre-Byzantine period about Awarta. I suggest we remove the Rivka Gonen-reference, and stick to the Finkelstein-info. Comments? Huldra ( talk) 20:39, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
@ Davidbena: From the Preface of the SWP name list volume: "The letters p.n. (proper name) after a name, mean either that it is a common Arabic personal appellation, or that it is a word to which no meaning can be assigned ; the former will be at once recognized by the Arabic scholar, the latter will form interesting problems for future investigation." It is a pity that the same designation is used for both cases, but in any case "proper noun which designates a place" isn't useful since all place names are proper nouns. I'll try to find some words that match the source better. Zero talk 02:25, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
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Does everything pertaining to the Itamar attack also belong in this article? I think no.
Should I add to Duma, Nablus that Israeli settlers taunted the Palestinian relatives of the burned toddler: "“Where is Ali? Ali’s dead,” “Ali’s on the grill” link link?
I would say no, that belongs to the Duma arson attack.
Likewise here; Huldra ( talk) 21:40, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
In the same vein as the above discussion (can't have just the voices of those condemning the event, need to balance with those supporting it - either both are in or both are out) - we can't have just the reactions of suspected settlers who threw stones in the village, without mentioning the spray-painting of pro-murderers slogans on the nearby tombstones. Either both in, or both out. Here come the Suns ( talk) 23:06, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
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What a disgustingly biased page. This talks about the Itamar killers as being "suspected" of being from Awarta, while making no mention of the fact that they confessed and were in fact from Awarta. Instead, it shamelessly uses this brutal murder as a way to slander Israel. When is Wikipedia going to do something about this?
The article now has: "Awarta has been inhabited since Biblical times.." sourced to "Biblical Holy Places: An Illustrated Guide" by Rivka Gonen. She gives no sources (except the Bible....)
However, Finkelstein et. al, 1997, p. 706, writes:
The village was not surveyed by our team. It was visited by Kallai (1972:29), but no pottery was collected. For two Samaritan inscriptions which possibly originated from 'Awarta - one apparently dating to the 14th century and the other from recent centuries- see Baillet 1964. The village appears in the Talmud (Jer. Bikurim I 63d; B. Berakhoth 39a) and in the Samaritan sources (Conder 1876:196; Ben-Zvi 1970:59-62; Hüttenmeister and Reeg 1977:554-556). It was almost certainly inhabited in the Byzantine period. The ancient name was probably Gibea, or Gabaas (see Onomasticon 70:23; Wilkinson 1977:51).
It is mentioned by travellers of the Crusader period (Beyer 1940: 190). The village and its holy tombs are mentioned by 'Ali of Herat (12th century), Yaqut (III:745) and Mujir ed-Din (15th century). For some of these references see Le Strange 1890:404; Marmardji 1951:151. 'Awarta appears in the Early Ottoman deftar (Hütteroth and Abdulfattah 1977). The size of the site was determined according to this source (Cohen Finkelstein 1991).
So Finkelstein does not have any info pre-Byzantine period about Awarta. I suggest we remove the Rivka Gonen-reference, and stick to the Finkelstein-info. Comments? Huldra ( talk) 20:39, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
@ Davidbena: From the Preface of the SWP name list volume: "The letters p.n. (proper name) after a name, mean either that it is a common Arabic personal appellation, or that it is a word to which no meaning can be assigned ; the former will be at once recognized by the Arabic scholar, the latter will form interesting problems for future investigation." It is a pity that the same designation is used for both cases, but in any case "proper noun which designates a place" isn't useful since all place names are proper nouns. I'll try to find some words that match the source better. Zero talk 02:25, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
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Does everything pertaining to the Itamar attack also belong in this article? I think no.
Should I add to Duma, Nablus that Israeli settlers taunted the Palestinian relatives of the burned toddler: "“Where is Ali? Ali’s dead,” “Ali’s on the grill” link link?
I would say no, that belongs to the Duma arson attack.
Likewise here; Huldra ( talk) 21:40, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
In the same vein as the above discussion (can't have just the voices of those condemning the event, need to balance with those supporting it - either both are in or both are out) - we can't have just the reactions of suspected settlers who threw stones in the village, without mentioning the spray-painting of pro-murderers slogans on the nearby tombstones. Either both in, or both out. Here come the Suns ( talk) 23:06, 28 December 2019 (UTC)