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Is "Peziza" a former name for this? Badagnani 11:11, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
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as it can be cooked to jelly like -- 124.78.208.251 ( talk) 10:39, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Could someone who knows what they're doing straighten out the Bibliography section? There's an unrelated fragment about some sort of medical tests in there. It is totally out of context, and is obviously not the entire statement anyway.
Thanks
Carolina de Witte —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.0.180.248 ( talk) 21:46, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
I'll jot notes and other random stuff about the article as we prep for FAC: Sasata ( talk) 08:16, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
Some sources- J Milburn ( talk) 11:40, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
@J Milburn: Perhaps you have as much right to remove the link as I do to add it. I suppose my thought that the link to the pharmacological section in the lead might be useful was that it would have been helpful to myself when I came across this article and first read it. The arrow link is discreet and links to a section of useful references from an intro that might feel to the reader to be a bold set of claims on first reading. The whole point of wiki pages is that useful links can be embedded in appropriate places. Just because there is no precedence doesn't mean it's not a good idea... 88.111.18.177 ( talk) 16:56, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
It just seemed particularly pertinent in that case, but yes, I suppose that kind of linking in the intro might well be relevant in other articles too. The manuaL of style doesn't mention anything specific as far as I'm aware. It's not a massive problem, I just thought it might be useful. Regarding precedence, there's always got to be a first time! 88.111.18.177 ( talk) 01:01, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
I assume that at least the value for iron (185mg/100g) is much to high. Other dried mushrooms have much less (0.3-10mg), also the value for the similar species 'Auricularia polytricha', 'Jew's ear, (pepeao), raw' NDB No: 11228 in the usda database
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/
for the fresh one is much less. It has 0.56mg iron/100g. A factor of 20 for water loss (look at protein values) gives 11mg/100g for a dried variant.
Since i have no access to the source book i can't check that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter Büttner ( talk • contribs) 13:29, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
There's a lot of folklore being cited in this article with little qualification. Until I read this article, I'd thought Cercis siliquastrum was the tree that Judas was supposed to have hung himself on. Apparently elder is also a candidate, but no tree is actually specified in the Bible. I've never seen an elder large/stout enough to permit a hanging, but if folklore says that where Judas hung himself, that's what folklore says. Harding's Mushroom Miscellany appears to be the source for most of this, but I'd like to see that reference treated a little more skeptically. Harding is also the source for most of the claims that A. auricula-judae prefers on elder, especially the statement "In up to 90% of cases, the mushroom is found on elder". I'm disputing this. If you expect to find the fungus on a particular species of plant, you probably will find it mostly growing there. Has the preference of the fungus really been demonstrated scientifically? I have a guide to Midwestern US mushrooms that suggests A. auricula-judae prefers shagbark hickory and elms. Elders may also be a favored substrate, but a specific preference for elders exclusively appears to be folklore as well. This article also mentions the prevalence of A. auricula-judae in Eucalyptus forests in Australia. Plantdrew ( talk) 06:39, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
... see doi: 10.1007/s11557-015-1113-4. Sasata ( talk) 17:39, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
not edible when raw
I eat it raw (wet state) all the time, e.g., with ketchup. Jidanni ( talk) 00:09, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
Hello, i didnt really find the artists impression, of the Escariot corpse, to be particularly informative about the mushroom. In fact, if i wanted any details about Escariot, at all which did not somehow, relate to the mushroom, especially a daydream of how someones eyeballs look when they attract crows, i'd have went to Judas Escariot. 213.233.132.130 ( talk) 13:37, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
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The name "jew's ear" is offensive and should be flagged as such. The only reference to this contained in the article is buried deep in the naming section, the early 1900s quote that the name is " is a slander on the Jews". Zekelayla ( talk) 23:18, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
"it is also important to recognize that the common names "Judas's Ear" and "Jew's Ear" have slowly fallen into disfavor, due especially to the anti-Semitic connotation of the latter. (* Editor’s note: Apparently the pejorative, “Jew’s Ear”, remains in use, at least among mushroomers in Great Britain and on the continent, judging from its continued use in mushroom guides published there as late as 1999 ((e.g., The Pocket Guide to Mushrooms, Jean-Marie Polese, 1999, original edition in French; Mushrooms and Toadstools of Great Britain, etc., Marcel Bon, 1987;Mushrooms & Other Fungi of Great Britain, Roger Phillips, 1981.)) It is telling that Phillips’ North American mushroom guide, 1991, avoids this odious epithet. In contrast to the old world, no North American field guide, since the early years of the 20th century, has found it necessary to revive this prejudicial usage, and all use the revised Latin name, Auricularia auricula.)" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zekelayla ( talk • contribs) 19:03, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
In addition to the name discussion, regardless of whether it is found offensive, we shouldn't take the current revision of the article as gospel, and be open to the idea that some terminologies in the article could be obscure or a neologism not worthy of inclusion. The article suggests word bastardizations as follows: Judas's Ear --> Jew Ear --> Jelly Ear. However this is at odds with Japanese etymological dictionaries which suggest it is named kikurage (wood jellyfish) because it tastes like dried Jellyfish. My second point being that the stated etymology of so-called "jelly ear" term coming from "jew ear" is somewhat suspect. I also find the Judas's ear etymology to be suspect. It seems odd to me that a story about a tree is the basis for the naming of a fungus. -- Kaledomo ( talk) 20:14, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
"Jew ear" could be a corruption of "Jelly ear" instead. Elder tree mentioned in the article is not even the same tree as the Judas tree. The only term used frequently enough to register on Google Books Ngram Viewer ( https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph) was "wood ear". -- Kaledomo ( talk) 20:30, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
This article claims the mushroom is called wood ear, but the wood ear article claims that the terminology refers to more mushrooms than just this one. -- Kaledomo ( talk) 14:56, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
The article states
> the common name "Judas's ear" was largely eclipsed by the corruption "Jew's ear"
I have seen no source evidence that the English name "Judas's Ear" predated "Jew's Ear" or was ever widely used. The OED states that "Jew's Ear" was a mistranslation of Latin "auricula-judae", not that the term "Judas's Ear" was ever used in English. If no source indicating this is forthcoming, this section should be changed. Zekelayla ( talk) 22:47, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
The article states not edible when raw, citing a book I do not own as source. However, most books on the subject list it as being either edible raw, or do not comment on its raw edibility at all.
I suggest the source listing it as inedible when raw is an error. 2A02:C7F:68F1:1A00:6D0C:2E66:3D9E:4938 ( talk) 21:30, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Shouldn't the Chinese language variant be moved to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auricularia_heimuer since it describes 黑木耳? Mykohsu ( talk) 21:42, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
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Is "Peziza" a former name for this? Badagnani 11:11, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
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as it can be cooked to jelly like -- 124.78.208.251 ( talk) 10:39, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Could someone who knows what they're doing straighten out the Bibliography section? There's an unrelated fragment about some sort of medical tests in there. It is totally out of context, and is obviously not the entire statement anyway.
Thanks
Carolina de Witte —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.0.180.248 ( talk) 21:46, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
I'll jot notes and other random stuff about the article as we prep for FAC: Sasata ( talk) 08:16, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
Some sources- J Milburn ( talk) 11:40, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
@J Milburn: Perhaps you have as much right to remove the link as I do to add it. I suppose my thought that the link to the pharmacological section in the lead might be useful was that it would have been helpful to myself when I came across this article and first read it. The arrow link is discreet and links to a section of useful references from an intro that might feel to the reader to be a bold set of claims on first reading. The whole point of wiki pages is that useful links can be embedded in appropriate places. Just because there is no precedence doesn't mean it's not a good idea... 88.111.18.177 ( talk) 16:56, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
It just seemed particularly pertinent in that case, but yes, I suppose that kind of linking in the intro might well be relevant in other articles too. The manuaL of style doesn't mention anything specific as far as I'm aware. It's not a massive problem, I just thought it might be useful. Regarding precedence, there's always got to be a first time! 88.111.18.177 ( talk) 01:01, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
I assume that at least the value for iron (185mg/100g) is much to high. Other dried mushrooms have much less (0.3-10mg), also the value for the similar species 'Auricularia polytricha', 'Jew's ear, (pepeao), raw' NDB No: 11228 in the usda database
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/
for the fresh one is much less. It has 0.56mg iron/100g. A factor of 20 for water loss (look at protein values) gives 11mg/100g for a dried variant.
Since i have no access to the source book i can't check that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter Büttner ( talk • contribs) 13:29, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
There's a lot of folklore being cited in this article with little qualification. Until I read this article, I'd thought Cercis siliquastrum was the tree that Judas was supposed to have hung himself on. Apparently elder is also a candidate, but no tree is actually specified in the Bible. I've never seen an elder large/stout enough to permit a hanging, but if folklore says that where Judas hung himself, that's what folklore says. Harding's Mushroom Miscellany appears to be the source for most of this, but I'd like to see that reference treated a little more skeptically. Harding is also the source for most of the claims that A. auricula-judae prefers on elder, especially the statement "In up to 90% of cases, the mushroom is found on elder". I'm disputing this. If you expect to find the fungus on a particular species of plant, you probably will find it mostly growing there. Has the preference of the fungus really been demonstrated scientifically? I have a guide to Midwestern US mushrooms that suggests A. auricula-judae prefers shagbark hickory and elms. Elders may also be a favored substrate, but a specific preference for elders exclusively appears to be folklore as well. This article also mentions the prevalence of A. auricula-judae in Eucalyptus forests in Australia. Plantdrew ( talk) 06:39, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
... see doi: 10.1007/s11557-015-1113-4. Sasata ( talk) 17:39, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
not edible when raw
I eat it raw (wet state) all the time, e.g., with ketchup. Jidanni ( talk) 00:09, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
Hello, i didnt really find the artists impression, of the Escariot corpse, to be particularly informative about the mushroom. In fact, if i wanted any details about Escariot, at all which did not somehow, relate to the mushroom, especially a daydream of how someones eyeballs look when they attract crows, i'd have went to Judas Escariot. 213.233.132.130 ( talk) 13:37, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
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The name "jew's ear" is offensive and should be flagged as such. The only reference to this contained in the article is buried deep in the naming section, the early 1900s quote that the name is " is a slander on the Jews". Zekelayla ( talk) 23:18, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
"it is also important to recognize that the common names "Judas's Ear" and "Jew's Ear" have slowly fallen into disfavor, due especially to the anti-Semitic connotation of the latter. (* Editor’s note: Apparently the pejorative, “Jew’s Ear”, remains in use, at least among mushroomers in Great Britain and on the continent, judging from its continued use in mushroom guides published there as late as 1999 ((e.g., The Pocket Guide to Mushrooms, Jean-Marie Polese, 1999, original edition in French; Mushrooms and Toadstools of Great Britain, etc., Marcel Bon, 1987;Mushrooms & Other Fungi of Great Britain, Roger Phillips, 1981.)) It is telling that Phillips’ North American mushroom guide, 1991, avoids this odious epithet. In contrast to the old world, no North American field guide, since the early years of the 20th century, has found it necessary to revive this prejudicial usage, and all use the revised Latin name, Auricularia auricula.)" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zekelayla ( talk • contribs) 19:03, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
In addition to the name discussion, regardless of whether it is found offensive, we shouldn't take the current revision of the article as gospel, and be open to the idea that some terminologies in the article could be obscure or a neologism not worthy of inclusion. The article suggests word bastardizations as follows: Judas's Ear --> Jew Ear --> Jelly Ear. However this is at odds with Japanese etymological dictionaries which suggest it is named kikurage (wood jellyfish) because it tastes like dried Jellyfish. My second point being that the stated etymology of so-called "jelly ear" term coming from "jew ear" is somewhat suspect. I also find the Judas's ear etymology to be suspect. It seems odd to me that a story about a tree is the basis for the naming of a fungus. -- Kaledomo ( talk) 20:14, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
"Jew ear" could be a corruption of "Jelly ear" instead. Elder tree mentioned in the article is not even the same tree as the Judas tree. The only term used frequently enough to register on Google Books Ngram Viewer ( https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph) was "wood ear". -- Kaledomo ( talk) 20:30, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
This article claims the mushroom is called wood ear, but the wood ear article claims that the terminology refers to more mushrooms than just this one. -- Kaledomo ( talk) 14:56, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
The article states
> the common name "Judas's ear" was largely eclipsed by the corruption "Jew's ear"
I have seen no source evidence that the English name "Judas's Ear" predated "Jew's Ear" or was ever widely used. The OED states that "Jew's Ear" was a mistranslation of Latin "auricula-judae", not that the term "Judas's Ear" was ever used in English. If no source indicating this is forthcoming, this section should be changed. Zekelayla ( talk) 22:47, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
The article states not edible when raw, citing a book I do not own as source. However, most books on the subject list it as being either edible raw, or do not comment on its raw edibility at all.
I suggest the source listing it as inedible when raw is an error. 2A02:C7F:68F1:1A00:6D0C:2E66:3D9E:4938 ( talk) 21:30, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Shouldn't the Chinese language variant be moved to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auricularia_heimuer since it describes 黑木耳? Mykohsu ( talk) 21:42, 4 September 2022 (UTC)