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I know it is pc to say sportsperson, but in this case i fell it may be a severe disservice to wikipedia uses. Most people never hear the term, it is just sportsman. We should use sportsman because it is more commonly known and used. Political correctness in this case just causes confusion and a misunderstanding. We do not call it sportspersonship do we? no... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.106.22.210 ( talk) 18:35, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps some information on the ACTN3 Genotype and the idea of the "athletic gene"
It would be wise to keep to exceptional examples of such athletes. In particular, there is no point in naming athletes who don't even have a wikipedia entry, unless this is to become a list of all-around athletes. Because of that I have (more than once) removed alleged all-around athletes that did not fulfil these requirements. -- rimshots talk 09:10, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Here, in the UK, the word athlete means 'a person who competes in athletics and other sports' (though the definition 'a person who is good at sports' is also noted). I think it would be a good idea to make the athlete page into a disambiguation page that links both to here, and the page on athletics (track and field).-- Jcvamp 03:21, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Not according to Talk:List of words having different meanings in British and American English#Athlete. Do you have another source? I'm changing it back. Ewlyahoocom 05:57, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
When I think of a sportsperson, i think not only of the participants but those that are "sports figures." A sports figure would be a coach, or owner, or perhaps even a mascot (like the San Diego Chicken) although that one i'm VERY IFFY about. Would that be acceptable to add? Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat 05:31, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
isn t the UK equivalent of the American 'athlete' in fact 'sports player' and not sportsperson? don t sportspeople include coaches, officials, etc.?
Earthlyreason's Collins Dictionary citation and comments provide clarity as to the British usage of the word "Athlete" to generally mean a sports competitor. SillyFolkBoy said he would support changing this page's name to "Athlete" on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation. I believe changing this page to "Athlete" will clear up ambiguity like the comments here about sportsperson(s) being coaches, owners, officials, mascots, etc. TommyKirchhoff ( talk) 14:32, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: pages moved -- JHunterJ ( talk) 11:16, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Sportsperson → Athlete – The content of sportsperson → athlete; the content at athlete → athlete (disambiguation).
Soooooo many reasons: 1) More common: "Athlete" is the WP:COMMON (and gender-inclusive) WP:ENGLISH term for these people in modern American and British use and has been since the 50s. Since WP:PRECISE keeps us from using "sportsman", there's no contest at all: "sportsperson" is over 50× less common in British English and over 500× in America. (How much more common? After spending the entire lead section of the article trying to explain the British usage to American readers, the entire rest of the article uses "athlete" 8 times, "sportman" once, and "sportsperson" 0 times. Literally the only edit needed for the page is to reverse the order of the terms in the first sentence.)
2) Procedure: The page was begun at athlete in 2003 using American English. It's fine to explain nuances of British usage (we should!) but it is not at all acceptable to violate WP:ENGVAR by creating a WP:POVFORK and turning the WP:PRIMARY namespace into an unhelpful dab.
3) Primary: The content here is the only WP:PRIMARY sense of "athlete", which is currently occupied by a misleading melangerie which should be at athlete (disambiguation).
4) Precise: "Athlete" in any form of English easily refers to men or women involved in competitive athletics. "Sportsperson" in any form of English is a much rarer PC WP:NEOLOGISM attempting to include sportswomen with the more commonly used "sportsman"... but (as noted by separate editors above) it also includes other people involved with sport(s) outside of the competition itself: managers and coaches certainly, as well as managers, trainers, mascots, &c. The OED notes that British usage of "athlete" is somewhat more restrictive, but it is not completely exclusive; the EB9 (" athletæ") and 1911EB (" athlete") have articles on "athlete", albeit mostly on its classical history. Similarly American usage is not so lax that NASCAR drivers and golfers can call themselves "athletes" and have an unbiased audience keep a straight face.
Moreover, wherever the page is, we have to discuss that variant usage. Better to just have the article placed at "athlete", making discussion of its classical, British, and American senses much more natural.
5) Consensus: Well, I suppose y'all will share your voices and thoughts too. But the page was originally at athlete and moved without discussion. Since then, the British User:Earthlyreason, User:TommyKirchhoff, User:98.155.130.227, and myself have noted our opposition to this name with no one speaking to defend it. There is some discussion at Talk:athlete about keeping the dab in place rather than redirect to sportsperson directly, but that has to do with the British-English WP:POVFORK currently in place. — LlywelynII 09:10, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
I would say that Bob (athlete) is adequate if Bob is known as a guy who does a lot of sports and there are no other Bobs who could reasonably be listed at Bob (disambiguation). But in general, if all Bob does is the javelin, he should be at Bob (javelinist) or something iff there is another Bob (who plays, say, basketball) with an article. In other words, (athlete) is no different than any other tag; it is occasionally adequate but should be avoided when it fails to clearly disambiguate the title. Red Slash 02:37, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
-- 65.94.169.222 ( talk) 09:10, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
-- 65.94.169.222 ( talk) 03:37, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
Removed the reference to Jim Thorpe playing association football, professional or otherwise, as there is no mention of him playing it either on his wikipedia page or in his biography on the official Jim Thorpe website https://www.cmgww.com/sports/thorpe/ 82.27.104.216 ( talk) 06:27, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
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Per Wikipedia’s image selection guidelines at MOS:IMAGERELEVANCE, MOS:LEADIMAGE, and MOS:DECORATION, which of the following two images is better suited as a lead image that offers the best overall encyclopedic benefit to readers of this Athlete article? Image A? Or Image B?
Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 07:47, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 07:48, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
Now where’s your Wikipedia policy-backed vote????? @ Meters: Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 10:41, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
And what Wikipedia policy aligns with your claim??? @ Meters: Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 19:57, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
Ok. But policy is more important than preferences. Do you have any policies to support this “too long”? Still have yet to hear any Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 20:21, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
Got three total people already who are reverting or against, with ZERO policy or guideline! Please show me what I’m not understanding from the encyclopedic perspective Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 20:22, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
Why is it that I asked for a connection to WP policy or guideline, it gets silent all of a sudden or the topic gets changed??? Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 20:23, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
Ok I’ll move to a different angle, what specific phrases or words make the hockey caption too long? What should it have or not have? If that was the only image you could have in this article, how would you caption it yourself?
Or alternatively, if you want to keep the Thorpe image, how can you improve its caption so it’s at least as encyclopedic as my hockey caption, if not more so?
Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 20:27, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
And please be specific about the hockey caption, specific words or phrases you like or dislike, and why, preferably backed with WP guidelines and policy. Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 20:28, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
If the hockey caption is too long as lead image, what if the image goes into one of the lower sections instead of the lead? I’m trying to offer options here Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 20:29, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
@ 204.237.49.127: Thank you, that really helps. So based on that standard, which specific words or phrases do you think are excessive? Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 20:52, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
Perhaps offer “your version” of captioning that photo Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 20:53, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
Captions should be succinct; more information can be included on its description page, or in the main text.End of story. It's not succinct. You can cite any other policy, but as 204.237.49.127 mentioned MOS:CAPSUCCINCT applies too. It's not succinct. It includes superfluous details like about someone falling down, which is irrelevant to athletes. This can be suitable for alt-text, not a caption. X-750 Rust In Peace... Polaris 21:39, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
Well which specific parts of the caption do you think are least good and most good? I’m willing to trim it down, but if all I hear is “no no no” then that’s not helpful because WP is ultimately about moving things forward, not stopping things others do.
I’d like to at least discuss an amicable reasonable middle ground regarding specific words or phrases in the caption, or image placement, etc. Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 21:50, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
@ X-750: I am asking your perspective because to me, all the pieces are very relevant and helpful. So I’d like to know what your priorities are regarding the different phrases, and perhaps we can work out something based on that. Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 21:52, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
Because I’m not down for this “no no no” game, I don’t play that. I’m actually trying to work with you to build something we can both agree on, since you’re opposed to the initial idea I put forth. Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 21:53, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
@ X750: Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 21:53, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
The “no no no” shit with vague, incomplete, or imprecise reasoning doesn’t fly with me, and that ultimately just becomes edit-warring. But I’m willing to work with you if you’ll work with me, and that’s how it should be. Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 21:55, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
I’m the type of person who does better with “if you change xyz, that will improve the image and make it suitable for the article” instead of just “no, you’re wrong, keep it out, it doesn’t belong” Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 21:58, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
I didn’t say team. I’m just saying we should be trying to resolve our differences and find some common ground we can agree on. Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 22:08, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
Let me start with this, what aspects of that image/caption combination do you generally approve or think are worthy of being included? Specific words or phrases, etc Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 22:09, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
team sportphoto on a page about the individual
athleteis simply not relevant! To put it this way: it's like including a photo of Great White Shark in the article Herd. Same district, wrong avenue. X-750 Rust In Peace... Polaris 22:13, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
I can work based on that if I know what the good and bad are Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 22:10, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
@ X750: Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 22:10, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
That’s definitely not true, but whatever, I’m not even gonna try on that because it’s just so far out there I literally have nothing to say.
Anyways, ok but what about an athlete being an athlete doing athlete things?
Because that’s what’s best for the article’s lead image any way you slice it. The current photo is an athlete in “non-athlete” mode. Yes even if he’s wearing a uniform and standing on a sports field, that’s only a decorative effect, and not illustrative.
What do you recommend as a good type of image for that context? It could be a different photo of Jim Thorpe. We should show an example of him “actively” being an athlete.
Ultimately, the photo should illustrate what being an athlete is, as much as possible. Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 22:19, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
Standing with hands on hips isn’t an athlete, lots of people do that lots of times. What’s something you’d only see an athlete do? Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 22:20, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
Are there specific sports, skills, or movements that you think are better suited for illustrating “athlete” than others? Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 22:37, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
Do you think it’s better to show a more “raw” athletic skill like lifting or running or jumping, as opposed to something more nuanced with multiple facets like shooting a puck? Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 22:38, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
A lot of countries mostly use the term athlete to refer to someone who participates in the sport of athletics. It would do us no harm to narrow our choice of pic to this area too. I could be happy with the Jim Thorpe pic (he is a great example of an athlete), but an action pic would be better. The ceramic pic under the Thorpe pic in the article is good. No bias to a modern country. But I have no idea what the caption means. The ice hockey suggestion is terrible. It's simply not a global sport. HiLo48 ( talk) 03:46, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
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I know it is pc to say sportsperson, but in this case i fell it may be a severe disservice to wikipedia uses. Most people never hear the term, it is just sportsman. We should use sportsman because it is more commonly known and used. Political correctness in this case just causes confusion and a misunderstanding. We do not call it sportspersonship do we? no... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.106.22.210 ( talk) 18:35, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps some information on the ACTN3 Genotype and the idea of the "athletic gene"
It would be wise to keep to exceptional examples of such athletes. In particular, there is no point in naming athletes who don't even have a wikipedia entry, unless this is to become a list of all-around athletes. Because of that I have (more than once) removed alleged all-around athletes that did not fulfil these requirements. -- rimshots talk 09:10, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Here, in the UK, the word athlete means 'a person who competes in athletics and other sports' (though the definition 'a person who is good at sports' is also noted). I think it would be a good idea to make the athlete page into a disambiguation page that links both to here, and the page on athletics (track and field).-- Jcvamp 03:21, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Not according to Talk:List of words having different meanings in British and American English#Athlete. Do you have another source? I'm changing it back. Ewlyahoocom 05:57, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
When I think of a sportsperson, i think not only of the participants but those that are "sports figures." A sports figure would be a coach, or owner, or perhaps even a mascot (like the San Diego Chicken) although that one i'm VERY IFFY about. Would that be acceptable to add? Juan Miguel Fangio| ►Chat 05:31, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
isn t the UK equivalent of the American 'athlete' in fact 'sports player' and not sportsperson? don t sportspeople include coaches, officials, etc.?
Earthlyreason's Collins Dictionary citation and comments provide clarity as to the British usage of the word "Athlete" to generally mean a sports competitor. SillyFolkBoy said he would support changing this page's name to "Athlete" on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation. I believe changing this page to "Athlete" will clear up ambiguity like the comments here about sportsperson(s) being coaches, owners, officials, mascots, etc. TommyKirchhoff ( talk) 14:32, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: pages moved -- JHunterJ ( talk) 11:16, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Sportsperson → Athlete – The content of sportsperson → athlete; the content at athlete → athlete (disambiguation).
Soooooo many reasons: 1) More common: "Athlete" is the WP:COMMON (and gender-inclusive) WP:ENGLISH term for these people in modern American and British use and has been since the 50s. Since WP:PRECISE keeps us from using "sportsman", there's no contest at all: "sportsperson" is over 50× less common in British English and over 500× in America. (How much more common? After spending the entire lead section of the article trying to explain the British usage to American readers, the entire rest of the article uses "athlete" 8 times, "sportman" once, and "sportsperson" 0 times. Literally the only edit needed for the page is to reverse the order of the terms in the first sentence.)
2) Procedure: The page was begun at athlete in 2003 using American English. It's fine to explain nuances of British usage (we should!) but it is not at all acceptable to violate WP:ENGVAR by creating a WP:POVFORK and turning the WP:PRIMARY namespace into an unhelpful dab.
3) Primary: The content here is the only WP:PRIMARY sense of "athlete", which is currently occupied by a misleading melangerie which should be at athlete (disambiguation).
4) Precise: "Athlete" in any form of English easily refers to men or women involved in competitive athletics. "Sportsperson" in any form of English is a much rarer PC WP:NEOLOGISM attempting to include sportswomen with the more commonly used "sportsman"... but (as noted by separate editors above) it also includes other people involved with sport(s) outside of the competition itself: managers and coaches certainly, as well as managers, trainers, mascots, &c. The OED notes that British usage of "athlete" is somewhat more restrictive, but it is not completely exclusive; the EB9 (" athletæ") and 1911EB (" athlete") have articles on "athlete", albeit mostly on its classical history. Similarly American usage is not so lax that NASCAR drivers and golfers can call themselves "athletes" and have an unbiased audience keep a straight face.
Moreover, wherever the page is, we have to discuss that variant usage. Better to just have the article placed at "athlete", making discussion of its classical, British, and American senses much more natural.
5) Consensus: Well, I suppose y'all will share your voices and thoughts too. But the page was originally at athlete and moved without discussion. Since then, the British User:Earthlyreason, User:TommyKirchhoff, User:98.155.130.227, and myself have noted our opposition to this name with no one speaking to defend it. There is some discussion at Talk:athlete about keeping the dab in place rather than redirect to sportsperson directly, but that has to do with the British-English WP:POVFORK currently in place. — LlywelynII 09:10, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
I would say that Bob (athlete) is adequate if Bob is known as a guy who does a lot of sports and there are no other Bobs who could reasonably be listed at Bob (disambiguation). But in general, if all Bob does is the javelin, he should be at Bob (javelinist) or something iff there is another Bob (who plays, say, basketball) with an article. In other words, (athlete) is no different than any other tag; it is occasionally adequate but should be avoided when it fails to clearly disambiguate the title. Red Slash 02:37, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
-- 65.94.169.222 ( talk) 09:10, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
-- 65.94.169.222 ( talk) 03:37, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
Removed the reference to Jim Thorpe playing association football, professional or otherwise, as there is no mention of him playing it either on his wikipedia page or in his biography on the official Jim Thorpe website https://www.cmgww.com/sports/thorpe/ 82.27.104.216 ( talk) 06:27, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
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Per Wikipedia’s image selection guidelines at MOS:IMAGERELEVANCE, MOS:LEADIMAGE, and MOS:DECORATION, which of the following two images is better suited as a lead image that offers the best overall encyclopedic benefit to readers of this Athlete article? Image A? Or Image B?
Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 07:47, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 07:48, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
Now where’s your Wikipedia policy-backed vote????? @ Meters: Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 10:41, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
And what Wikipedia policy aligns with your claim??? @ Meters: Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 19:57, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
Ok. But policy is more important than preferences. Do you have any policies to support this “too long”? Still have yet to hear any Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 20:21, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
Got three total people already who are reverting or against, with ZERO policy or guideline! Please show me what I’m not understanding from the encyclopedic perspective Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 20:22, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
Why is it that I asked for a connection to WP policy or guideline, it gets silent all of a sudden or the topic gets changed??? Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 20:23, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
Ok I’ll move to a different angle, what specific phrases or words make the hockey caption too long? What should it have or not have? If that was the only image you could have in this article, how would you caption it yourself?
Or alternatively, if you want to keep the Thorpe image, how can you improve its caption so it’s at least as encyclopedic as my hockey caption, if not more so?
Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 20:27, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
And please be specific about the hockey caption, specific words or phrases you like or dislike, and why, preferably backed with WP guidelines and policy. Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 20:28, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
If the hockey caption is too long as lead image, what if the image goes into one of the lower sections instead of the lead? I’m trying to offer options here Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 20:29, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
@ 204.237.49.127: Thank you, that really helps. So based on that standard, which specific words or phrases do you think are excessive? Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 20:52, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
Perhaps offer “your version” of captioning that photo Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 20:53, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
Captions should be succinct; more information can be included on its description page, or in the main text.End of story. It's not succinct. You can cite any other policy, but as 204.237.49.127 mentioned MOS:CAPSUCCINCT applies too. It's not succinct. It includes superfluous details like about someone falling down, which is irrelevant to athletes. This can be suitable for alt-text, not a caption. X-750 Rust In Peace... Polaris 21:39, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
Well which specific parts of the caption do you think are least good and most good? I’m willing to trim it down, but if all I hear is “no no no” then that’s not helpful because WP is ultimately about moving things forward, not stopping things others do.
I’d like to at least discuss an amicable reasonable middle ground regarding specific words or phrases in the caption, or image placement, etc. Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 21:50, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
@ X-750: I am asking your perspective because to me, all the pieces are very relevant and helpful. So I’d like to know what your priorities are regarding the different phrases, and perhaps we can work out something based on that. Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 21:52, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
Because I’m not down for this “no no no” game, I don’t play that. I’m actually trying to work with you to build something we can both agree on, since you’re opposed to the initial idea I put forth. Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 21:53, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
@ X750: Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 21:53, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
The “no no no” shit with vague, incomplete, or imprecise reasoning doesn’t fly with me, and that ultimately just becomes edit-warring. But I’m willing to work with you if you’ll work with me, and that’s how it should be. Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 21:55, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
I’m the type of person who does better with “if you change xyz, that will improve the image and make it suitable for the article” instead of just “no, you’re wrong, keep it out, it doesn’t belong” Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 21:58, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
I didn’t say team. I’m just saying we should be trying to resolve our differences and find some common ground we can agree on. Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 22:08, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
Let me start with this, what aspects of that image/caption combination do you generally approve or think are worthy of being included? Specific words or phrases, etc Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 22:09, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
team sportphoto on a page about the individual
athleteis simply not relevant! To put it this way: it's like including a photo of Great White Shark in the article Herd. Same district, wrong avenue. X-750 Rust In Peace... Polaris 22:13, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
I can work based on that if I know what the good and bad are Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 22:10, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
@ X750: Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 22:10, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
That’s definitely not true, but whatever, I’m not even gonna try on that because it’s just so far out there I literally have nothing to say.
Anyways, ok but what about an athlete being an athlete doing athlete things?
Because that’s what’s best for the article’s lead image any way you slice it. The current photo is an athlete in “non-athlete” mode. Yes even if he’s wearing a uniform and standing on a sports field, that’s only a decorative effect, and not illustrative.
What do you recommend as a good type of image for that context? It could be a different photo of Jim Thorpe. We should show an example of him “actively” being an athlete.
Ultimately, the photo should illustrate what being an athlete is, as much as possible. Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 22:19, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
Standing with hands on hips isn’t an athlete, lots of people do that lots of times. What’s something you’d only see an athlete do? Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 22:20, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
Are there specific sports, skills, or movements that you think are better suited for illustrating “athlete” than others? Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 22:37, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
Do you think it’s better to show a more “raw” athletic skill like lifting or running or jumping, as opposed to something more nuanced with multiple facets like shooting a puck? Mrbeastmodeallday ( talk) 22:38, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
A lot of countries mostly use the term athlete to refer to someone who participates in the sport of athletics. It would do us no harm to narrow our choice of pic to this area too. I could be happy with the Jim Thorpe pic (he is a great example of an athlete), but an action pic would be better. The ceramic pic under the Thorpe pic in the article is good. No bias to a modern country. But I have no idea what the caption means. The ice hockey suggestion is terrible. It's simply not a global sport. HiLo48 ( talk) 03:46, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
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