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Okay, this is pretty much just like the old character analysis section from before. I'm removing these for the same reason people from before deleted the character analysis section. If you want to find out why, check out Taki's and Kilik's talk pages. If people want a strategy guide, they should go to fansites. Mythmonster2 ( talk) 06:21, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Alright here's the deal. I don't mean to sound like an arrogant asshole or anything, but any player that says Astaroth has "easy to master gameplay" or is "used as a crutch by less skilled players" doesn't know shit about Soul Calibur or fighting games in general and probably hasn't been playing them for very long.
Most characters that are the slow, powerful type like Astaroth are considered low tier by competitive players. Astaroth is a rare exception because he's considered a pretty effective character, but the faster, speedier characters are still thought of as easier to use by most players. So the opposite of what the article says is actually true, Astaroth is thought of as a skill character by most Soul Calibur players.
This source you mentioned is Jive magazine and they are in a very small minority, so small I've never heard of it lol. Anyway that's how they feel so whatever, that's not the issue here. My problem is that the opening section of this article makes it sound like it's a widely agreed fact by players, and it isn't (because it's not true).
If you still disagree with me about this, there's a website filled with competitive Soul Calibur players called 8 Way Run, and another one with competitive fighting game players in general called Shoryuken, and I'm pretty sure they'll back me up on how crazy it is to say that Astaroth is a crutch for less skilled players. And these are players that know their shit and have been playing these games for years, not some guy writing for Jive magazine who has played maybe five matches in his life.
Anyways, write me back and tell me what you think. - Chris 98.82.102.242 ( talk) 04:58, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
- It's reception. It's not our place for us to decide "oh, they're clearly wrong!" based on original research. They're being cited for an opinion, not for stating a fact outright, and 8wayrun and Shoryuken aren't reliable sources for the purposes of this article.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 09:42, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
My problem is not with Reception, my problem is the opening section that I keep editing and you keep reverting :) The opening section doesn't say anything about Jive magazine. All it says is that "Astaroth has been described as having easy-to-master gameplay." By who? That implies that Astaroth is commonly described that way, and he isn't. In fact Astaroth is described in the exact opposite way by most players. See what I'm getting at now?
Likewise it says "However, these aspects have also been a source of criticism towards the character, with complaints that the character serves as a crutch used by less-skilled players of the games." Criticism by who? Again, this implies that it's a common criticism and it's not. It's a criticism by a single magazine, it's untrue, and the overwhelming majority of players would tell them they're full of shit.
I don't know much about Wikipedia's policies but I do know that articles are supposed to represent a worldwide view or a common view of the subject. Right? Well this article represents only Jive magazine's view.
I hope you get where I'm coming from now. The issue I have with the article is that it represents a practically nonexistent view of the character. 98.82.102.242 ( talk) 01:05, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
He was in the category undead but I don't think so. Golems are not zombies or anything. -- Niemti ( talk) 08:13, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
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Okay, this is pretty much just like the old character analysis section from before. I'm removing these for the same reason people from before deleted the character analysis section. If you want to find out why, check out Taki's and Kilik's talk pages. If people want a strategy guide, they should go to fansites. Mythmonster2 ( talk) 06:21, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Alright here's the deal. I don't mean to sound like an arrogant asshole or anything, but any player that says Astaroth has "easy to master gameplay" or is "used as a crutch by less skilled players" doesn't know shit about Soul Calibur or fighting games in general and probably hasn't been playing them for very long.
Most characters that are the slow, powerful type like Astaroth are considered low tier by competitive players. Astaroth is a rare exception because he's considered a pretty effective character, but the faster, speedier characters are still thought of as easier to use by most players. So the opposite of what the article says is actually true, Astaroth is thought of as a skill character by most Soul Calibur players.
This source you mentioned is Jive magazine and they are in a very small minority, so small I've never heard of it lol. Anyway that's how they feel so whatever, that's not the issue here. My problem is that the opening section of this article makes it sound like it's a widely agreed fact by players, and it isn't (because it's not true).
If you still disagree with me about this, there's a website filled with competitive Soul Calibur players called 8 Way Run, and another one with competitive fighting game players in general called Shoryuken, and I'm pretty sure they'll back me up on how crazy it is to say that Astaroth is a crutch for less skilled players. And these are players that know their shit and have been playing these games for years, not some guy writing for Jive magazine who has played maybe five matches in his life.
Anyways, write me back and tell me what you think. - Chris 98.82.102.242 ( talk) 04:58, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
- It's reception. It's not our place for us to decide "oh, they're clearly wrong!" based on original research. They're being cited for an opinion, not for stating a fact outright, and 8wayrun and Shoryuken aren't reliable sources for the purposes of this article.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 09:42, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
My problem is not with Reception, my problem is the opening section that I keep editing and you keep reverting :) The opening section doesn't say anything about Jive magazine. All it says is that "Astaroth has been described as having easy-to-master gameplay." By who? That implies that Astaroth is commonly described that way, and he isn't. In fact Astaroth is described in the exact opposite way by most players. See what I'm getting at now?
Likewise it says "However, these aspects have also been a source of criticism towards the character, with complaints that the character serves as a crutch used by less-skilled players of the games." Criticism by who? Again, this implies that it's a common criticism and it's not. It's a criticism by a single magazine, it's untrue, and the overwhelming majority of players would tell them they're full of shit.
I don't know much about Wikipedia's policies but I do know that articles are supposed to represent a worldwide view or a common view of the subject. Right? Well this article represents only Jive magazine's view.
I hope you get where I'm coming from now. The issue I have with the article is that it represents a practically nonexistent view of the character. 98.82.102.242 ( talk) 01:05, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
He was in the category undead but I don't think so. Golems are not zombies or anything. -- Niemti ( talk) 08:13, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
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