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Hm. I just noticed that the article ends by saying "His latest editorial with Clare Lockhart, with whom he is co-writing a book on state-building, appeared on January 1, 2006 in the Washington Post."(bold mine). The username of the editor who uploaded this large amount of unwikified text (making me wonder about copyvio issues), is named "Clarelockhart". I wonder if it's the same person, or just someone pretending to be them... JesseW, the juggling janitor 00:12, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
So he wont succeed Koffi, can someone update the page. Kendirangu 12:59, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
He is not third as he is just behind the third person who is Dr. Ramazan Bashardost. so far he has less than 3% of the votes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.204.245.19 ( talk) 02:37, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
The language, as it stands, makes it sound like he merely applied to teach at Johns Hopkins Unniversity, which is trivial. If he actually was a professor at Johns Hopkins (which, as an alumni, is what I had heard), then the language should be changed to reflect that. MovingTree ( talk) 01:55, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
Why is this in the page title? It is not referenced as his birth name or in the header. Is it a title? Nevermore27 ( talk) 04:40, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Almost literally every news source, let alone English source, calls him "Ashraf Ghani". Why is this his title? Therequiembellishere ( talk) 07:07, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
A substantial amount of text was added in 2006
[1]. Parts of it were recently deleted as unsourced. This seems to have been done abruptly, without previously tagging the material as needing references, even though the material did not look - at first glance - dubious or promotional. After it was reinstated, I deleted parts as
copyright violations because identical or extremely closely matching text was to be found in various places including the subjects own official biography as president of Afghanistan
[2]. I hadn't yet noticed the text was added to Wikipedia in 2006, eight years before Ashraf Ghani became president.
In 2006,
JesseW raised concerns about that text here
[3] and on the contributing editor's talk page
[4]. The editor,
Clarelockhart, didn't reply or edit again so the questions of copyright and
conflict of interest remain outstanding.
When I realised that the 2006 text couldn't have been copied from the presidential biography, I considered self-reverting. But while it's possible the presidential biog was copied from Wikipedia, I think it's more likely that both spring from some other text that predates both, might have been written by Lockhart and might even have been partly written by Ashraf Ghani himself. This might have been in a book, in a list of conference speakers - there are many possibilities and also a cloud of mirrors of Wikipedia.
An editor with access to a good library, JSTOR etc might be able to find a common source. For now, I suggest the material should not be added back without being freshly sourced and rewritten from scratch without even the close paraphrasing that remains.
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To properly paraphrase content, you review information from reliable sources, extract the salient points, and use your own words, style and sentence structure to draft text for an article.Of course, you should also take care to cite reliable sources that directly support your text. NebY ( talk) 13:44, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
There's been some argument in article edits and edit summaries over whether it's appropriate to include the category "Afghan expatriates in Pakistan". At present, nothing in the article says that he's been resident in Pakistan. An edit comment asserted that "You cannot obtain a Pakistani identity card without living in Pakistan at the minimum, see the url: http://tribune.com.pk/story/932405/afghan-president-holds-pakistani-identity-card/" but this breaches WP:SYNTH and is founded on a single report in which the record of issuing an identity card was used to demonstrate corruption in Pakistan, implying the card had not been properly issued. We cannot use it as evidence that Ghani lived in Pakistan. Do we have a reliable source stating that he - not his relatives - lived in Pakistan as an expatriate? NebY ( talk) 22:06, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
"Doesn't this make the article qualify for this category?"No, it doesn't. WP:COPDEF (part of Wikipedia:Categorization of people) is clear and there's no need for WP:OR discussions of identity card law, Ann Dunham and who's pushing what POV. I'll remove it. NebY ( talk) 11:45, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
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If I don't work out how, can someone who does know how please lock it.
I just removed a lot of other transliterations that were just insults in Pashto and Dari. (I don't speak either but I read Arabic enough to see it didn't match, and I looked up the meanings.) But I left two.
Ahmadzai is in the intro without transliteration. He's referred to as Ahmadzai in a few sources, I think it might be a tribal affiliation or something? But I don't know how to spell it in Dari or Pashto.
I left in Mohammed محمد because it is a name. And I think it's common for Mohammed to be an official first name for man known by his middle name. Since it's an extremely common first name to the point of not being useful to identify someone. I've not seen him called that anywhere though. So I'm not sure if it's correct?
Irtapil ( talk) 09:07, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
Abandonment does not necessarily constitute resignation. This article needs to be locked if and until he formally resigns. All edits should revert. ClaudeDavid ( talk) 14:34, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
reuters on twitter. According to the interior minister he left the country RVK23 ( talk) 14:16, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
Abandonment does not necessarily constitute resignation. This article needs to be locked if and until he formally resigns. All edits should revert. ClaudeDavid ( talk) 14:34, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
But de facto he is now president of his own chair and nothing more, so while resignation maybe is not given yet in same time he no longer is in power over a country he is a president. Article should note that. Loesorion ( talk) 14:57, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
He had fled the country not left in some usual way presidents leave country for diplomatic visit, business abroad or vacation or similar normal ways - fled or flee or fleeing is supported by numerous sources [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10].
I keep seeing an old German flag at this page and I can't undo it anywhere in the history, if I am in "Mobile view" this flag still appears and I can't see "History" or "Discussion" anywhere, how can we undo this vandalism? -- Donald Trung ( talk) 13:57, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
I've traced the appearance of the flag to this edit:
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In the first sentence, please change "when he fled country." to "when he fled the country." 64.203.186.84 ( talk) 14:17, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
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At the end of the short description, that is after "On 15 August 2021, Afghan officials stated that Ghani had left the presidential palace Sunday morning to the US embassy[17] and from there he fled Afghanistan as the Taliban entered Kabul." add the follow sentence: Ghani had fled the country with four cars and a helicopter full of cash and had to leave some money behind as it would not all fit in. [1] Yoloyolo92131 ( talk) 14:42, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
Until Ashraf Ghani officially resigns he remains the democratically elected president of Afghanistan, despite being forced to flee the country. The Taliban's de facto control of the country does not alter the legitimacy of Ghani's leadership as the legal authority, nor does Russia's willingness to cooperate with a hypothetical transitional government negate the wider international recognition for Ghani's administration. 2607:FEA8:459F:B6A2:1E4:2F66:5780:B2F4 ( talk) 15:56, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
He is not president not even de jure because he is absent and under Afghan constitution it is a reason he is not eligible to be current president. And legitimacy is usually in all countries lost whenever some high administrative public figure that is in power flee country and here it is for certain that for president to flee country he has lost a right to be president. By fleeing he has negated oath he took while swearing to be president. And there is a act of treason or similar laws that in this common situation - leader escapes - describes treason and fleeing the enemies certainly is treason because he is aiding and abating enemies by doing so.
And while talking about so called democratic Afghanistan we should not forget their constitution that writes "No law shall contravene the tenets and provisions of the holy religion of Islam in Afghanistan." It is Islamic religious state not some democracy in common sense so they - Taliban - will be within constitution to put Ghani on trial even under Sharia laws.
And Russia stance is that Afghanistan exists as a country regardless of leadership so I don't see why are you implicating Russia with facts if Ghani is still president. And of course there is possibilities to have multiple governments in one country - for example see current situation in Libya but situation here under Afghan constitution is clear. Let me cite Afghan constitution:" In case of absence, resignation or death of the President, the first Vice-President shall act in accordance with the provisions of this Constitution. In the absence of the first Vice-President, the second Vice-President shall act in accordance with the provisions of this Constitution."
If vice president has not resigned, fled or died he - vice president - is current president by Afghan constitution. If he - first vice president - fled also then second vice president is in power and so on... Loesorion ( talk) 18:46, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation.
Source is telling you who is president and how someone is becoming a president, no other source can tell you that but constitution, presidents do not become just like that out of thin air, but always have some legal written document that mention president - not a name of president but president as function and deputies if they exists - As I said, have some time to carefully read source I hope I have explained enough to understand what is primary source for obtaining any high state level public function in any state in world that has legal documents that constitute constitutions. Succession of president is explained in source and it can not legally be done otherwise. Is former president Ashraf Ghani absent? He is and sources provide us with that information, he fled, if you expect that any other legal ways could be for successor please provide source for legal successor within Afghan constitution and tell me who will change president who fled and be within legal Afghan framework. Maybe tomorrow there will be new constitution in Afghanistan so there even will be no more presidents but kings or emirs - who knows - but according to constitution 14 president was elected and that is still in use for his presidency that legaly ended it is as I described and edited accordingly. Loesorion ( talk) 00:36, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
I don't know if Ashraf is still the president of Afghanistan or not. Wheter he's still in office or not. Just wish his infobox & the infoboxes of his two vice presidents, were consistent. GoodDay ( talk) 01:49, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
President of any country does not constitutes whole government. Loesorion ( talk) 23:26, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
You added in article that one man a former president is "government in exile" with what you support such claim? Where are a sources for that? Loesorion ( talk) 23:35, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
So you do not mind if I remove again Government in exile - nothing to do with pipe link and btw you added that saying "Better way of presenting the infobox; we're still treating him as the incumbent in exile". People who understands laws and constitution will not treat him as incumbent in exile or ever give him status of government in exile because first and most this is internal dispute in Afghanistan and meddling in such a way by giving anyone government in exile status would create international chaos. Crazy as it maybe seems to be but better legal chance had Taliban after 2001 to have recognized government in exile because of USA military intervention was external meddling in independent state with later military invasion involved. Loesorion ( talk) 00:22, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Governments in exile are bad news, they usually destroy more than they build up - as quick research shows. Nobody should listen to them. Over time, the Exile paragraph should confirm or deny that Ghani had to resign because the Taliban promised a peaceful entry into Kabul for his resignation which largely happened. There are rumors he left with huge amounts of cash, and that also needs to be confirmed or discounted. 2001:8003:A070:7F00:58B3:8F78:F0EB:F4FB ( talk) 01:27, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Whatever yas decide on the intro & infobox of this article? can you do the same for the two veep articles? GoodDay ( talk) 01:50, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Amrullah Saleh is now confirmed as new 15th President per Afghanistan constitution - [2] Loesorion ( talk) 14:50, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Amrullah Saleh has just given audio broadcast to BBC News where he confirms that former president fled country and he is now acting as president as per Afghan Constitution. We do not need article that says who is next president or had he - former president - resigned or not as in this case he fled country - he could be on long vacation and that would not change that he is not in country doing his duty - and we have constitution that describes who and when and in what circumstances is then president and could act as one. Constitution precedes any other written article about that matter and other articles could only confirm what is written in Constitution as that is publicly available legal binding document. There is no more reliable source then constitution of any country regarding legal matter of who and how is in the office and when or how his duty's start or stop. If this constitution had lacking in that area about who and when is next in line to be in charge and in what circumstances I would agree that we need more but here that is not a case as they predicted this situation in constitution. We should not forget that in parts Afghan constitution was modeled on Constitution of the United States and that constitution also have role for Vice president and when he is in charge or replaces president. US constitution regarding VP in Article II, Section 1, Clause 6 stipulates that the vice president takes over the "powers and duties" of the presidency in the event of a president's removal, death, resignation, or inability. In Afghan constitution inability is absence.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-asia-58219963 Loesorion ( talk) 19:08, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Afghan news reporter in The Pentagon asks Pentagon spokesman John Kirby where is my former president Ashraf Ghani. https://www.newsweek.com/ex-afghan-vp-amrullah-saleh-declares-resistance-taliban-i-am-caretaker-president-1620208 She said while asking we don't have a president. He is former. Loesorion ( talk) 19:17, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Ashraf Ghani is former or ex again in many news https://www.businessinsider.com/afghanistan-ashraf-ghani-confidence-taliban-resistance-us-troop-withdrawal-2021-8 https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2021/08/16/afghanistan-taliban-ashraf-ghani-flees-robertson-pkg-intl-ldn-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/afghanistan-falls-to-the-taliban/ https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/16/world/asia/afghanistan-president-ashraf-ghani.html
So could we please close drama in this Talk about Ashraf Ghani is he former or not. He is former and he removed himself from office by fleeing a country that is under attack and that also amounts to a treason. Expecting a formal resignation or anything else from person who in any normal country would be trialed for Treason is something a bit ridiculous I must note. Loesorion ( talk) 19:33, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
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Add degrees to alma mater section of the infobox: American University of Beirut ( BA)
Columbia University ( MA, PhD)
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CNN has confirmed that he is in the UAE. News article is here- [1] TTTTRZON ( talk) 14:39, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
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Argh! This BBC News article refers to Ashraf Ghani as "Afghanistan's President Ashraf Ghani..." and says "the US has continued to refer to "President Ghani", with the State Department saying that there has not been a formal handover of power." This is almost definately worth adding to the article, though I'll leave someone else to make the edit as I have stepped back from this page. I'll also leave it up to them to decide what to do with the first paragraph of the lede and the infobox. FollowTheTortoise ( talk) 18:48, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
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Is serving as president of Afghanistan. He left the country for security purposes and to avoid bloodshed . In a recent video to the nation , he said he will come back and serve the nation. Ashraf Ghani rejects all other allegations and reports from media since his absence. 50.67.33.75 ( talk) 07:57, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
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07:59, 19 August 2021 (UTC)Legal presidential system in Afghanistan per constitution consists of 1 President and 2 Vice Presidents. All serving officials should be noted in infobox with remarks about date when they served. We can not chose who is more or less important to put in infobox but we must follow legal system in subject country as it is. Loesorion ( talk) 18:57, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
How come the article doesn't mention that he fled the country with millions in cash?...Or at least that he was alleged to do so? This has been widely reported in numerous reputable outlets. While they haven't (yet) been able to confirm it, they have reported the allegation, so I would say that the allegation is notable, in and of itself. - 2003:CA:8739:9FDE:7D61:B91E:B36:F9CB ( talk) 19:02, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
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Ashraf Ghani left the presidential place on 15th August 2021 for security purposes and to avoid bloodshed. After his absence the neighboring states raised different allegations on him which he rejected in a video message after seeking protection in UAE. 50.67.33.75 ( talk) 04:45, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
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Ashraf Ghani 604 .Nobel Prizes.
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Please remove
During his tenure, Ghani has strengthened ties
and add
During his tenure, Ghani strengthened ties
"has strengthened" only makes sense for an incumbent officeholder, not a former officeholder. 64.203.186.84 ( talk) 16:52, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
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At the very end of the "Flight from Afghanistan" section, there's an extra comma. A quotation is given, ending with a period and a quotation mark, and reference #81 appears, but between the quotation mark and #81 is a comma. Please remove it. 64.203.186.84 ( talk) 16:55, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
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His PHD is in Anthropology DanielLouisStevenHoward ( talk) 20:11, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
دوره
اول حکومت اشرف غنی 180.222.141.105 ( talk) 12:01, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
"SIGAR found the theft of millions by Ghani “unlikely” but said the former president did leave with some cash, adding that “evidence indicates that this number did not exceed $1 million and may have been closer in value to $500,000.”"
Susannah George: Millions looted from Afghan government during Taliban takeover. In: Washington Post, 7. Juni 2022. KurtR ( talk) 01:55, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
This is so blatantly written by a PR firm. Or at best a US State intern. Come on. All his magnificent achievements. Faux criticism to make it seem balanced. Dustek ( talk) 21:55, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
The first sentence described him as an economist. His masters degree and PhD are both in cultural anthropology, and he was a professor of anthropology at JHU for many years. It should describe him as an anthropologist. 2604:3D08:4680:A500:ACE4:3C54:56E6:D898 ( talk) 23:36, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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Hm. I just noticed that the article ends by saying "His latest editorial with Clare Lockhart, with whom he is co-writing a book on state-building, appeared on January 1, 2006 in the Washington Post."(bold mine). The username of the editor who uploaded this large amount of unwikified text (making me wonder about copyvio issues), is named "Clarelockhart". I wonder if it's the same person, or just someone pretending to be them... JesseW, the juggling janitor 00:12, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
So he wont succeed Koffi, can someone update the page. Kendirangu 12:59, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
He is not third as he is just behind the third person who is Dr. Ramazan Bashardost. so far he has less than 3% of the votes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.204.245.19 ( talk) 02:37, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
The language, as it stands, makes it sound like he merely applied to teach at Johns Hopkins Unniversity, which is trivial. If he actually was a professor at Johns Hopkins (which, as an alumni, is what I had heard), then the language should be changed to reflect that. MovingTree ( talk) 01:55, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
Why is this in the page title? It is not referenced as his birth name or in the header. Is it a title? Nevermore27 ( talk) 04:40, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Almost literally every news source, let alone English source, calls him "Ashraf Ghani". Why is this his title? Therequiembellishere ( talk) 07:07, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
A substantial amount of text was added in 2006
[1]. Parts of it were recently deleted as unsourced. This seems to have been done abruptly, without previously tagging the material as needing references, even though the material did not look - at first glance - dubious or promotional. After it was reinstated, I deleted parts as
copyright violations because identical or extremely closely matching text was to be found in various places including the subjects own official biography as president of Afghanistan
[2]. I hadn't yet noticed the text was added to Wikipedia in 2006, eight years before Ashraf Ghani became president.
In 2006,
JesseW raised concerns about that text here
[3] and on the contributing editor's talk page
[4]. The editor,
Clarelockhart, didn't reply or edit again so the questions of copyright and
conflict of interest remain outstanding.
When I realised that the 2006 text couldn't have been copied from the presidential biography, I considered self-reverting. But while it's possible the presidential biog was copied from Wikipedia, I think it's more likely that both spring from some other text that predates both, might have been written by Lockhart and might even have been partly written by Ashraf Ghani himself. This might have been in a book, in a list of conference speakers - there are many possibilities and also a cloud of mirrors of Wikipedia.
An editor with access to a good library, JSTOR etc might be able to find a common source. For now, I suggest the material should not be added back without being freshly sourced and rewritten from scratch without even the close paraphrasing that remains.
NebY (
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21:39, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
To properly paraphrase content, you review information from reliable sources, extract the salient points, and use your own words, style and sentence structure to draft text for an article.Of course, you should also take care to cite reliable sources that directly support your text. NebY ( talk) 13:44, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
There's been some argument in article edits and edit summaries over whether it's appropriate to include the category "Afghan expatriates in Pakistan". At present, nothing in the article says that he's been resident in Pakistan. An edit comment asserted that "You cannot obtain a Pakistani identity card without living in Pakistan at the minimum, see the url: http://tribune.com.pk/story/932405/afghan-president-holds-pakistani-identity-card/" but this breaches WP:SYNTH and is founded on a single report in which the record of issuing an identity card was used to demonstrate corruption in Pakistan, implying the card had not been properly issued. We cannot use it as evidence that Ghani lived in Pakistan. Do we have a reliable source stating that he - not his relatives - lived in Pakistan as an expatriate? NebY ( talk) 22:06, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
"Doesn't this make the article qualify for this category?"No, it doesn't. WP:COPDEF (part of Wikipedia:Categorization of people) is clear and there's no need for WP:OR discussions of identity card law, Ann Dunham and who's pushing what POV. I'll remove it. NebY ( talk) 11:45, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
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If I don't work out how, can someone who does know how please lock it.
I just removed a lot of other transliterations that were just insults in Pashto and Dari. (I don't speak either but I read Arabic enough to see it didn't match, and I looked up the meanings.) But I left two.
Ahmadzai is in the intro without transliteration. He's referred to as Ahmadzai in a few sources, I think it might be a tribal affiliation or something? But I don't know how to spell it in Dari or Pashto.
I left in Mohammed محمد because it is a name. And I think it's common for Mohammed to be an official first name for man known by his middle name. Since it's an extremely common first name to the point of not being useful to identify someone. I've not seen him called that anywhere though. So I'm not sure if it's correct?
Irtapil ( talk) 09:07, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
Abandonment does not necessarily constitute resignation. This article needs to be locked if and until he formally resigns. All edits should revert. ClaudeDavid ( talk) 14:34, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
reuters on twitter. According to the interior minister he left the country RVK23 ( talk) 14:16, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
Abandonment does not necessarily constitute resignation. This article needs to be locked if and until he formally resigns. All edits should revert. ClaudeDavid ( talk) 14:34, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
But de facto he is now president of his own chair and nothing more, so while resignation maybe is not given yet in same time he no longer is in power over a country he is a president. Article should note that. Loesorion ( talk) 14:57, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
He had fled the country not left in some usual way presidents leave country for diplomatic visit, business abroad or vacation or similar normal ways - fled or flee or fleeing is supported by numerous sources [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10].
I keep seeing an old German flag at this page and I can't undo it anywhere in the history, if I am in "Mobile view" this flag still appears and I can't see "History" or "Discussion" anywhere, how can we undo this vandalism? -- Donald Trung ( talk) 13:57, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
I've traced the appearance of the flag to this edit:
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In the first sentence, please change "when he fled country." to "when he fled the country." 64.203.186.84 ( talk) 14:17, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
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At the end of the short description, that is after "On 15 August 2021, Afghan officials stated that Ghani had left the presidential palace Sunday morning to the US embassy[17] and from there he fled Afghanistan as the Taliban entered Kabul." add the follow sentence: Ghani had fled the country with four cars and a helicopter full of cash and had to leave some money behind as it would not all fit in. [1] Yoloyolo92131 ( talk) 14:42, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
Until Ashraf Ghani officially resigns he remains the democratically elected president of Afghanistan, despite being forced to flee the country. The Taliban's de facto control of the country does not alter the legitimacy of Ghani's leadership as the legal authority, nor does Russia's willingness to cooperate with a hypothetical transitional government negate the wider international recognition for Ghani's administration. 2607:FEA8:459F:B6A2:1E4:2F66:5780:B2F4 ( talk) 15:56, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
He is not president not even de jure because he is absent and under Afghan constitution it is a reason he is not eligible to be current president. And legitimacy is usually in all countries lost whenever some high administrative public figure that is in power flee country and here it is for certain that for president to flee country he has lost a right to be president. By fleeing he has negated oath he took while swearing to be president. And there is a act of treason or similar laws that in this common situation - leader escapes - describes treason and fleeing the enemies certainly is treason because he is aiding and abating enemies by doing so.
And while talking about so called democratic Afghanistan we should not forget their constitution that writes "No law shall contravene the tenets and provisions of the holy religion of Islam in Afghanistan." It is Islamic religious state not some democracy in common sense so they - Taliban - will be within constitution to put Ghani on trial even under Sharia laws.
And Russia stance is that Afghanistan exists as a country regardless of leadership so I don't see why are you implicating Russia with facts if Ghani is still president. And of course there is possibilities to have multiple governments in one country - for example see current situation in Libya but situation here under Afghan constitution is clear. Let me cite Afghan constitution:" In case of absence, resignation or death of the President, the first Vice-President shall act in accordance with the provisions of this Constitution. In the absence of the first Vice-President, the second Vice-President shall act in accordance with the provisions of this Constitution."
If vice president has not resigned, fled or died he - vice president - is current president by Afghan constitution. If he - first vice president - fled also then second vice president is in power and so on... Loesorion ( talk) 18:46, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation.
Source is telling you who is president and how someone is becoming a president, no other source can tell you that but constitution, presidents do not become just like that out of thin air, but always have some legal written document that mention president - not a name of president but president as function and deputies if they exists - As I said, have some time to carefully read source I hope I have explained enough to understand what is primary source for obtaining any high state level public function in any state in world that has legal documents that constitute constitutions. Succession of president is explained in source and it can not legally be done otherwise. Is former president Ashraf Ghani absent? He is and sources provide us with that information, he fled, if you expect that any other legal ways could be for successor please provide source for legal successor within Afghan constitution and tell me who will change president who fled and be within legal Afghan framework. Maybe tomorrow there will be new constitution in Afghanistan so there even will be no more presidents but kings or emirs - who knows - but according to constitution 14 president was elected and that is still in use for his presidency that legaly ended it is as I described and edited accordingly. Loesorion ( talk) 00:36, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
I don't know if Ashraf is still the president of Afghanistan or not. Wheter he's still in office or not. Just wish his infobox & the infoboxes of his two vice presidents, were consistent. GoodDay ( talk) 01:49, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
President of any country does not constitutes whole government. Loesorion ( talk) 23:26, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
You added in article that one man a former president is "government in exile" with what you support such claim? Where are a sources for that? Loesorion ( talk) 23:35, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
So you do not mind if I remove again Government in exile - nothing to do with pipe link and btw you added that saying "Better way of presenting the infobox; we're still treating him as the incumbent in exile". People who understands laws and constitution will not treat him as incumbent in exile or ever give him status of government in exile because first and most this is internal dispute in Afghanistan and meddling in such a way by giving anyone government in exile status would create international chaos. Crazy as it maybe seems to be but better legal chance had Taliban after 2001 to have recognized government in exile because of USA military intervention was external meddling in independent state with later military invasion involved. Loesorion ( talk) 00:22, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Governments in exile are bad news, they usually destroy more than they build up - as quick research shows. Nobody should listen to them. Over time, the Exile paragraph should confirm or deny that Ghani had to resign because the Taliban promised a peaceful entry into Kabul for his resignation which largely happened. There are rumors he left with huge amounts of cash, and that also needs to be confirmed or discounted. 2001:8003:A070:7F00:58B3:8F78:F0EB:F4FB ( talk) 01:27, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Whatever yas decide on the intro & infobox of this article? can you do the same for the two veep articles? GoodDay ( talk) 01:50, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Amrullah Saleh is now confirmed as new 15th President per Afghanistan constitution - [2] Loesorion ( talk) 14:50, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Amrullah Saleh has just given audio broadcast to BBC News where he confirms that former president fled country and he is now acting as president as per Afghan Constitution. We do not need article that says who is next president or had he - former president - resigned or not as in this case he fled country - he could be on long vacation and that would not change that he is not in country doing his duty - and we have constitution that describes who and when and in what circumstances is then president and could act as one. Constitution precedes any other written article about that matter and other articles could only confirm what is written in Constitution as that is publicly available legal binding document. There is no more reliable source then constitution of any country regarding legal matter of who and how is in the office and when or how his duty's start or stop. If this constitution had lacking in that area about who and when is next in line to be in charge and in what circumstances I would agree that we need more but here that is not a case as they predicted this situation in constitution. We should not forget that in parts Afghan constitution was modeled on Constitution of the United States and that constitution also have role for Vice president and when he is in charge or replaces president. US constitution regarding VP in Article II, Section 1, Clause 6 stipulates that the vice president takes over the "powers and duties" of the presidency in the event of a president's removal, death, resignation, or inability. In Afghan constitution inability is absence.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-asia-58219963 Loesorion ( talk) 19:08, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Afghan news reporter in The Pentagon asks Pentagon spokesman John Kirby where is my former president Ashraf Ghani. https://www.newsweek.com/ex-afghan-vp-amrullah-saleh-declares-resistance-taliban-i-am-caretaker-president-1620208 She said while asking we don't have a president. He is former. Loesorion ( talk) 19:17, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
Ashraf Ghani is former or ex again in many news https://www.businessinsider.com/afghanistan-ashraf-ghani-confidence-taliban-resistance-us-troop-withdrawal-2021-8 https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2021/08/16/afghanistan-taliban-ashraf-ghani-flees-robertson-pkg-intl-ldn-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/afghanistan-falls-to-the-taliban/ https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/16/world/asia/afghanistan-president-ashraf-ghani.html
So could we please close drama in this Talk about Ashraf Ghani is he former or not. He is former and he removed himself from office by fleeing a country that is under attack and that also amounts to a treason. Expecting a formal resignation or anything else from person who in any normal country would be trialed for Treason is something a bit ridiculous I must note. Loesorion ( talk) 19:33, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
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Add degrees to alma mater section of the infobox: American University of Beirut ( BA)
Columbia University ( MA, PhD)
Normsupon ( talk) 23:20, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
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CNN has confirmed that he is in the UAE. News article is here- [1] TTTTRZON ( talk) 14:39, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
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Argh! This BBC News article refers to Ashraf Ghani as "Afghanistan's President Ashraf Ghani..." and says "the US has continued to refer to "President Ghani", with the State Department saying that there has not been a formal handover of power." This is almost definately worth adding to the article, though I'll leave someone else to make the edit as I have stepped back from this page. I'll also leave it up to them to decide what to do with the first paragraph of the lede and the infobox. FollowTheTortoise ( talk) 18:48, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
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Is serving as president of Afghanistan. He left the country for security purposes and to avoid bloodshed . In a recent video to the nation , he said he will come back and serve the nation. Ashraf Ghani rejects all other allegations and reports from media since his absence. 50.67.33.75 ( talk) 07:57, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
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07:59, 19 August 2021 (UTC)Legal presidential system in Afghanistan per constitution consists of 1 President and 2 Vice Presidents. All serving officials should be noted in infobox with remarks about date when they served. We can not chose who is more or less important to put in infobox but we must follow legal system in subject country as it is. Loesorion ( talk) 18:57, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
How come the article doesn't mention that he fled the country with millions in cash?...Or at least that he was alleged to do so? This has been widely reported in numerous reputable outlets. While they haven't (yet) been able to confirm it, they have reported the allegation, so I would say that the allegation is notable, in and of itself. - 2003:CA:8739:9FDE:7D61:B91E:B36:F9CB ( talk) 19:02, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
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Ashraf Ghani left the presidential place on 15th August 2021 for security purposes and to avoid bloodshed. After his absence the neighboring states raised different allegations on him which he rejected in a video message after seeking protection in UAE. 50.67.33.75 ( talk) 04:45, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
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109.79.52.149 ( talk) 01:19, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
Ashraf Ghani 604 .Nobel Prizes.
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Please remove
During his tenure, Ghani has strengthened ties
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During his tenure, Ghani strengthened ties
"has strengthened" only makes sense for an incumbent officeholder, not a former officeholder. 64.203.186.84 ( talk) 16:52, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
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At the very end of the "Flight from Afghanistan" section, there's an extra comma. A quotation is given, ending with a period and a quotation mark, and reference #81 appears, but between the quotation mark and #81 is a comma. Please remove it. 64.203.186.84 ( talk) 16:55, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
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His PHD is in Anthropology DanielLouisStevenHoward ( talk) 20:11, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
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اول حکومت اشرف غنی 180.222.141.105 ( talk) 12:01, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
"SIGAR found the theft of millions by Ghani “unlikely” but said the former president did leave with some cash, adding that “evidence indicates that this number did not exceed $1 million and may have been closer in value to $500,000.”"
Susannah George: Millions looted from Afghan government during Taliban takeover. In: Washington Post, 7. Juni 2022. KurtR ( talk) 01:55, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
This is so blatantly written by a PR firm. Or at best a US State intern. Come on. All his magnificent achievements. Faux criticism to make it seem balanced. Dustek ( talk) 21:55, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
The first sentence described him as an economist. His masters degree and PhD are both in cultural anthropology, and he was a professor of anthropology at JHU for many years. It should describe him as an anthropologist. 2604:3D08:4680:A500:ACE4:3C54:56E6:D898 ( talk) 23:36, 30 May 2024 (UTC)