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The following was temporarily removed from the text because it lacks the verifiable support of an in-line citation. Without more, this could be merely spurious:
These bare statements, standing alone, are inadequate without more -- without some sort of better developed context and possible internal links to other articles in Wikipedia ...? -- Tenmei ( talk) 22:38, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I've removed the following statement because I think it is incorrect. The teenage Yoshimasa became Seii Taishogun six years after the death in 1443 of his older brother, the seventh shogun Ashikaga Yoshikatsu. If someone can provide a citation which verifies this as correct, then of course it should be re-integrated into the article text. -- Tenmei ( talk) 15:19, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
It appears that two different dates are given for the beginning of his reign. In the first line: "who reigned from 1449 to 1473", but in the next paragraph: "On the August 16, 1443 (Kakitsu 3, 21st day of the 7th month), 10-year-old shogun Yoshikatsu died of injuries sustained in a fall from a horse. He had been shogun for only three years. Immediately, the bakufu elevated Yoshinari, the young shogun's even younger brother, to be the new shogun.[3] Several years after becoming shogun, Yoshinari changed his name to Yoshimasa, by which name he is better known."
Could it be that the date confusion is due to Yoshinari changing his name to Yoshimasa, and the date 1449 being the date of his name change rather than his shogunate?
Also, the date in the family tree at the bottom of the page also has 1449. However, this would leave a clear 5-6 year gap in the shogunate. The word "immediately" in the second paragraph seems to indicate that there was no such gap.
IMO, the dates should be amended to 1443, but I have no references to back this up, but nor to confirm that it's officially considered to be 1449 instead. -- 24.57.77.150 14 January 2015 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.57.77.150 ( talk) 17:00, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
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The following was temporarily removed from the text because it lacks the verifiable support of an in-line citation. Without more, this could be merely spurious:
These bare statements, standing alone, are inadequate without more -- without some sort of better developed context and possible internal links to other articles in Wikipedia ...? -- Tenmei ( talk) 22:38, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I've removed the following statement because I think it is incorrect. The teenage Yoshimasa became Seii Taishogun six years after the death in 1443 of his older brother, the seventh shogun Ashikaga Yoshikatsu. If someone can provide a citation which verifies this as correct, then of course it should be re-integrated into the article text. -- Tenmei ( talk) 15:19, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
It appears that two different dates are given for the beginning of his reign. In the first line: "who reigned from 1449 to 1473", but in the next paragraph: "On the August 16, 1443 (Kakitsu 3, 21st day of the 7th month), 10-year-old shogun Yoshikatsu died of injuries sustained in a fall from a horse. He had been shogun for only three years. Immediately, the bakufu elevated Yoshinari, the young shogun's even younger brother, to be the new shogun.[3] Several years after becoming shogun, Yoshinari changed his name to Yoshimasa, by which name he is better known."
Could it be that the date confusion is due to Yoshinari changing his name to Yoshimasa, and the date 1449 being the date of his name change rather than his shogunate?
Also, the date in the family tree at the bottom of the page also has 1449. However, this would leave a clear 5-6 year gap in the shogunate. The word "immediately" in the second paragraph seems to indicate that there was no such gap.
IMO, the dates should be amended to 1443, but I have no references to back this up, but nor to confirm that it's officially considered to be 1449 instead. -- 24.57.77.150 14 January 2015 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.57.77.150 ( talk) 17:00, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
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