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Cúchullaint/
c 19:22, 1 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Asako Toki → Toki Asako – Most common Latin-script name is "Toki Asako", printed on all of her albums and singles and on official website.
Closeapple (
talk) 20:25, 3 May 2015 (UTC)reply
Support. I note that the closer of the Otomo RM found that, "a style guide does not trump WP:COMMONNAME, nor does it override our obligations to avoid inaccuracies which may cause harm to living people."
Fernando Danger (
talk) 05:42, 5 May 2015 (UTC)reply
Support –
MOS:JP makes exceptions for the spelling of real names, and exceptions for spelling and name order of the pseudonyms of athletes, artists and other famous persons. It should also make exceptions for the order of the real names of athletes, artists and other famous persons. And whichever order the article uses, it should have a redirect for the other one. There is never going to be a single rule, without exceptions, that covers all of the various ways that Japanese people want to spell their names. –
Margin1522 (
talk) 06:36, 5 May 2015 (UTC)reply
In other words, instead of "always" family name last, the MOS should be "normally" family name last. –
Margin1522 (
talk) 06:52, 5 May 2015 (UTC)reply
Weak oppose. That's what
WP:COMMONNAME is all about. We follow the MoS (in this case GIVEN–FAMILY) unless sources overwhelmingly use a different form. A search for
"asako toki" -"toki asako" gives 44,500 hits, versus
"toki asako" -"asako toki" which gives 101,000 hits—but when
restircted to English the hits drop to 37,900—many of which are still Japanese (the English hits are the only ones that count for en.wp). The reason I'm weak opposing is that I'm not a strong proponent of this aspect of the MoS—but as long as it is in the MoS, this move would be a violation.
Curly Turkey¡gobble! 11:43, 11 May 2015 (UTC)reply
Support because all albums and official site use "Toki Asako". Google searches are not always effective, especially when trying to establish naming order. ···
日本穣? ·
投稿 ·
Talk to Nihonjoe ·
Join WP Japan! 19:05, 16 May 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose - A close examination reveals, so far, no actual English-language usage of Toki Asako from Wikipedia-defined reliable sources
The case of
Otomo Yoshihide is different because he says clearly on his personal website in English that he doesn't want to be called in the western order
Oppose per
WP:UE/
MOS:JP. Of course a Japanese singer uses Japanese order. But we're not a Japanese encyclopedia. --
BDD (
talk) 15:49, 1 June 2015 (UTC)reply
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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move.
Cúchullaint/
c 19:22, 1 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Asako Toki → Toki Asako – Most common Latin-script name is "Toki Asako", printed on all of her albums and singles and on official website.
Closeapple (
talk) 20:25, 3 May 2015 (UTC)reply
Support. I note that the closer of the Otomo RM found that, "a style guide does not trump WP:COMMONNAME, nor does it override our obligations to avoid inaccuracies which may cause harm to living people."
Fernando Danger (
talk) 05:42, 5 May 2015 (UTC)reply
Support –
MOS:JP makes exceptions for the spelling of real names, and exceptions for spelling and name order of the pseudonyms of athletes, artists and other famous persons. It should also make exceptions for the order of the real names of athletes, artists and other famous persons. And whichever order the article uses, it should have a redirect for the other one. There is never going to be a single rule, without exceptions, that covers all of the various ways that Japanese people want to spell their names. –
Margin1522 (
talk) 06:36, 5 May 2015 (UTC)reply
In other words, instead of "always" family name last, the MOS should be "normally" family name last. –
Margin1522 (
talk) 06:52, 5 May 2015 (UTC)reply
Weak oppose. That's what
WP:COMMONNAME is all about. We follow the MoS (in this case GIVEN–FAMILY) unless sources overwhelmingly use a different form. A search for
"asako toki" -"toki asako" gives 44,500 hits, versus
"toki asako" -"asako toki" which gives 101,000 hits—but when
restircted to English the hits drop to 37,900—many of which are still Japanese (the English hits are the only ones that count for en.wp). The reason I'm weak opposing is that I'm not a strong proponent of this aspect of the MoS—but as long as it is in the MoS, this move would be a violation.
Curly Turkey¡gobble! 11:43, 11 May 2015 (UTC)reply
Support because all albums and official site use "Toki Asako". Google searches are not always effective, especially when trying to establish naming order. ···
日本穣? ·
投稿 ·
Talk to Nihonjoe ·
Join WP Japan! 19:05, 16 May 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose - A close examination reveals, so far, no actual English-language usage of Toki Asako from Wikipedia-defined reliable sources
The case of
Otomo Yoshihide is different because he says clearly on his personal website in English that he doesn't want to be called in the western order
Oppose per
WP:UE/
MOS:JP. Of course a Japanese singer uses Japanese order. But we're not a Japanese encyclopedia. --
BDD (
talk) 15:49, 1 June 2015 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a
move review. No further edits should be made to this section.