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I created the following redirects to Artpop:
I have already checked for proper disambiguation, so please expand these redirects as article development begins. Thanks! -- Another Believer ( Talk) 00:55, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
Vincexgaga ( talk) 09:31, 22 September 2013 (UTC) The only songs from there that are confirmed is Aura, I Wanna Be With You, Manicure, Sex Dreams and Swine. I have no idea where you got those from and those have not been mentioned by her at all. She is releasing the tracklist on the 29th of September so wait till then.
Update: I created redirects for the confirmed tracks, including some of the above plus:
Apologies for creating incorrect redirects before--I did not realize I was viewing an unreliable source. Please feel free to delete the unnecessary redirects, which I have striked out above. I believe all of the redirects that have been created for the album adhere to Wikipedia's manual of style. -- Another Believer ( Talk) 17:17, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
-- Another Believer ( Talk) 04:14, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
I have requested that some of the links above be deleted. Others have been redirected to the appropriate existing disambiguation page (there are other songs by these titles). Question regarding naming conventions for two of the confirmed tracks: is "Sex Dreams" or "Sexxx Dreams" more in accordance with MoS? Ditto for "Jewels and Drugs" vs. "Jewels n' Drugs"? -- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:56, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
Please, for the love of god, can someone edit this? It looks like it was edited by Lady Gaga forum goers who watch every Lady Gaga tweet. Now, don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with that, but PLEASE stop it with the Twitter sources and editing the wiki page with EVERY thing she tweets about. It's kinda unnecessary! ~Sorry If I came on too harsh. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.200.28.218 ( talk) 06:47, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
Normally for american artists, the american release date is what is listed.
I know it's released in Germany first, but it seems odd. The media and the artist herself lists the date as November 11, so that should be under the release date. The overseas dates are secondary.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Born2booze ( talk • contribs)
Currently, the German release date (November 8, 2013) is missing in the introduction and the section "Release history". Your best bet would be to name it alongside with german-speaking country Austria, wich is considered in the article. -- 79.240.169.154 ( talk) 13:28, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
Do we know if "Fashion!" is this previously released song? -- Another Believer ( Talk) 17:54, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
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source In the singles section, can someone add that on October 7, 2013 her official Facebook cover photo was updated showing the album's official cover art with text next to it that read: The new album featuring ‘Applause’ and ‘Gypsy' availalbe November 11". The cover was later updated and Gypsy was removed. but i still think its notable to be mentioned because it is a hint that Gypsy was supposed to be the second single before Gaga decided to go with Venus instead.
It is not necessary to. This page does not need to contain every little thing that happens leading up to the release. Vincexgaga ( talk) 05:24, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
Why is MANiCURE written as Manicure? It has a double meaning, the nail treatment and being cured by men, so it should be MANiCURE and not Manicure. Dope on the other hand should be written in lower case. 82.181.198.121 ( talk) 13:47, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
The link above can be expanded as soon as enough information exists for the album's second single. -- Another Believer ( Talk) 16:40, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
GYPSY Gaga Said it was produced by Madeon AND Redone.
VENUS PRODUCER There is no confirmed producer for this. Why on earth would you list the rumoured female producer — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.251.247.211 ( talk) 20:10, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
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Please change the phrase: "On October 4, a trailer for the movie Machete Kills, which marks Gaga's actorial debut," to "On October 4, a trailer for the movie Machete Kills, which marks Gaga's acting debut,"
I m requesting this change because actorial is not a word, and acting is a suitable replacement.
78.86.59.218 ( talk) 09:12, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
"G.U.Y" is actually called "G.U.Y (Girl Under You)". "Do What U Want" is "Do What U Want (With My Body)". "Manicure" is "MANiCURE". "Artpop" is "ARTPOP". And "Dope" is "DOPE". Please change :):):) xxx — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.104.227.116 ( talk) 15:38, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
a revelation that instead was announced one month in advanced should read as a revelation that instead was announced one month in advance
(Forgive me if I'm submitting this wrong; I just made an account to point that out, since I can't edit the article myself.)
KeiBlossom ( talk) 09:08, 16 October 2013 (UTC)KeiBlossom
So, although I'm not actually sure whether it's been officially confirmed or not, one of the songs that Gaga performed at the iTunes Festival "I Wanna Be With You" has been reworked into a new song on ARTPOP called "Dope". Fair enough. However, I noticed in the summary of the iTunes Festival (in 'Promotion'), it doesn't reference "I Wanna Be With You", but rather "Dope".
Should it not say that the song performed was "I Wanna Be With You", since it undeniably was called that at the time (complete with accompanying hashtag '#GagaIWannaBeWithYou') and was reported in sources as that? The rumours are only that "I Wanna Be With You" was REWORKED into "Dope", not that it's the same song just renamed. I don't know exactly how Wikipedia deals with things like this in regards to retrospect, but it's blatantly false to say that one of the songs that she performed at the iTunes festival was called "Dope", since there is simply no evidence that that is the case.
Of course, if "Dope" does turn out to be a reworked "I Wanna Be With You", which to be honest is looking much like the case, then a note should be made when mentioning "I Wanna Be With You" that it was reworked into "Dope". And if the section is changed back to read "I Wanna Be With You", the redirect I Wanna Be With You (Lady Gaga song) should link here again. FeFiFo ( talk) 17:59, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
To avoid an edit war, I just want to clarify on here what I'm trying to say. We don't know how much of "I Wanna Be With You", if any, has been used in "Dope", and so we can't say with any certainty that they are the same song, just with different titles. No source lists the song as "Dope", while countless list it as "I Wanna Be With You", some of which have already been listed in previous discussions.
It is original research at the moment to say that "I Wanna Be With You" is an "old name". One of Gaga's previously unreleased songs "Earthquake" later had its chorus reworked into "Fashion of His Love" on Born This Way, but you wouldn't then say that "Earthquake" IS "Fashion of His Love". Until the official version of "Dope" is released, it's more reliable to treat "I Wanna Be With You" and "Dope" as separate songs, and to refer to the song performed at the iTunes Festival as "I Wanna Be With You", with a note saying that "I Wanna Be With You" does not appear on the ARTPOP tracklisting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FeFiFo ( talk • contribs) 21:34, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
The track listing section has a few errors in it -
Please can you change as this article is incorrect!!!:( — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.104.230.131 ( talk) 17:12, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
It's spelled:
Jewels N' Drugs MANiCURE (with the 'i' being the only lower cased letter)
As confirmed on iTunes and Gaga on Twitter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.200.28.218 ( talk) 08:15, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
I noticed that on the ARTPOP page, on the upper-right side of the page, under the album artwork, there are the singles listed with their release dates. Shouldn't the dates be changed for both to the official radio release dates? So Applause should be listed as August 19, 2013 and Do What U Want as November 5, 2013.
— Preceding
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67.164.82.196 (
talk) 03:19, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
Well, today (October 28, 2013) "
Venus" was released for retail purchase on
Amazon.com as a
single. See
this source. We should not be referring to this song as a
promotional single, since if you read that article it says, "A promotional recording, or promo, is an audio or video recording distributed for free, usually in order to promote a recording that is or soon will be commercially available." So in turn because it was released to Amazon as a single, that makes "Venus" the album's third single. I would like to hear any logical objections that it is not a single, even though it received a retail release as a single. Keep in mind this is not a pre-order or countdown, it is an entire page dedicated to a retail release as single for the song.
STATic
message me! 06:22, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
I started to expand the "Dope" article, now that is has been confirmed to be the next promo single, but it has since been nominated for deletion. Feel free to chime in on the discussion. Or, please feel free to assist with the article's expansion. Are there more article detailing the name change following her live performance of the song in the UK? -- Another Believer ( Talk) 22:04, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
I am wondering about the best way to disambiguate Gaga's 2009 song "Fashion" with her 2013 song "Fashion!" Currently, Fashion (Lady Gaga song) redirects readers to the compilation album on which the song appears. Because I was not sure if the "Fashion!" that appears on Artpop was the same song or not, I did not create a separate redirect until more details were provided. I think we can assume now that, based on the writing credits, the songs are different. My understanding of disambiguation pages is that punctuation alone cannot differentiate articles, so creating Fashion! (Lady Gaga song) would not suffice. Should the previously-created redirect be moved to Fashion (2009 Lady Gaga song)? And the Artpop track Fashion! (2013 Lady Gaga song)? -- Another Believer ( Talk) 20:13, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps a section for the album app, including confirmed songs, the controversy re: album vs. app sales, etc.? -- Another Believer ( Talk) 21:32, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
There was no widespread controversy about the ARTPOP app. The issue was brought up by a notorious Lady Gaga hate site that claimed individual song purchases via the app would count as an entire app download, so downloading Applause alone would equate to one ARTPOP album sales. Bill Werde from Billboard quickly shot down this incredibly ridiculous accusation, noting on his Twitter page that of course single sales do not count for album sales, only album sales count for album sales.
Here are links to Bill Werde's tweets clearing up this so-called "controversy".
https://twitter.com/bwerde/status/362722995518709760 - Stating that if you BUY the album from within the app then of course it will count since the album is being bought.
https://twitter.com/bwerde/status/362723505986469888 - The Lady Gaga hate site claimed Gaga's team would "lie about album sales through the app to boost sales", Bill said not true.
https://twitter.com/bwerde/status/362726550745001985 - Confirming that one song purchase WILL NOT COUNT as an entire album purchase.
So far the album itself has been controversy-free. That might change in the future considering it's Lady Gaga. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthagio ( talk • contribs) 08:43, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
It might make sense to add information about pre-release to Release history. It was pre-released in UK to O2 Tracks customers on October 26. See Lady Gaga's ARTPOP available exclusively on O2 Tracks pre-release. Xdmytro ( talk) 15:29, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
The album has been leaked in full. Please check with the news agencies and update. -- 117.213.220.20 ( talk) 07:12, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
... almost enough info for its own article... -- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:54, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
Why is Anton Zavlaski listed as Zedd in the producer section and Leclerq not listed as Madeon? DJUnBalanced ( talk) 17:50, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
The gold certification is a FRAUDE. It hasn't been sold 20.000 copies but less than 8.000. It's been filtered the real Spain sales http://www.abc.es/cultura/musica/20131228/abci-fraude-industria-discografica-espaola-201312272217.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.17.178.240 ( talk) 18:18, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
http://gaonchart.co.kr/digital_chart/album.php This can be added! Please! JLeemans1 ( talk) 10:04, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
No.1 in Japan, selling over 58.000 copies in its first week.
http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20131111-00000326-oric-musi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.184.90 ( talk) 02:14, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
...Phew. — Indian:BIO · [ ChitChat ] 09:08, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
Lady Gaga is heading for her third UK No 1 album source — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patry B. ( talk • contribs) 07:09, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/news/a531426/lady-gagas-artpop-predicted-to-sell-75-percent-less-than-born-this-way.html and http://www.lacapital.com.ar/escenario/Artpop-el-album-de-Lady-Gaga-que-llego-rodeado-de-obstaculos--20131114-0024.html from La Capital. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.6.165.231 ( talk) 14:00, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The source that has been cited for this section is Metacritic, which states that the album has received "generally favorable reviews". The argument has been made that there are more mixed than positive reviews listed on the site, but from what I can see from other album pages ( Prism (Katy Perry album), etc.) who have received more mixed reviews than positive on Metacritic actually go by the overall weighted average in their listed critical consensus. "Generally positive reviews" is listed on the Katy Perry page and this standard should be reflected here as they are both listed as receiving "generally favorable reviews" on Metacritic. The standard is the weighted score, not the sheer number of articles. Reece Leonard 10:42 19 November 2013 (UTC)
"Generally positive" LOL. If we're using Metacritic as the key source, it should state it received "mostly mixed reviews", as on Metacritic it has 20 mixed and only 9 positive.
Also "Generalisation" is correct with a S OR a Z. Z is more commonly used in the US, but both are in the dictionary.... Perhaps when you crack open the dictionary, you also look up "consensus" ;-)
"I've stated, multiple times now, that a focus on the number of categorical reviews is an overly simplistic approach that Metacritic itself does not adhere to. The source that you claim to be citing undermines your argument; Metacritic presents a mathematically calculated weighted score based on the philosophy that large journals such as Entertainment Weekly, Billboard, etc. have accrued more integrity over their run and, in turn, have more bearing on the ultimate consensus, which is why the consensus reads "generally favorable reviews". According to your logic (again, that Metacritic does not adhere to), small blog-based start-up sites that have a history of false reporting (the Examiner, to give an example) would be given equal weight in deciding the consensus as an established and respected journal like Entertainment Weekly. I've spelled this issue out multiple times, but instead of responding to it with sources or even measured argument, you've resorted to repeating your original argument of "Numbers!!!!! More mixed reviews!!! That's all that matters!!!" and threatening to block me from editing for questioning your own viewpoint of the critical consensus that blatantly ignores the consensus listed on the only source you have. In regards to the other wikipedia users who have agreed with you; you have to admit that their arguments are rarely coherent and ultimately repeat the same talking-point of "there are more mixed reviews listed and that's all that matters" that I've already raised issue with. Rushton2010 spouted off his own personal narrative based on his research in reading the reviews (a practice you've accused me of in the past and pointed out was against the guidelines of wikipedia); the others acted on similar lines (Sven Manguard gave his own personal interpretation of a 60% Metacritic score, again, against the policies of wikipedia in your own words, as did Smarty9108). You keep redirecting me to various guideline pages in the hopes that that will make you out to seem like the educated veteran dealing with a persistent and ignorant nuisance, but the fact is the page on consensus states, and I quote: "The quality of an argument is more important than whether it represents a minority or a majority view." - You've discussed your own personal interpretation of one source (that the source doesn't concur with) and I've given you another valid one from a respectable journal that lists multiple different reviews and draws the conclusion that the consensus was positive and instead of responding to that in any way (other than calling it an "early" list of reviews when you've previously attempted to use smaller, lesser sources that not only didn't refer to other reviews, but that were published on dates on or very close to the date that my new source was published to support your factually inaccurate opinion of the consensus), you just repeated your original argument of "Numbers!!! More mixed reviews!! That's all that matters!!" again. I came back four months later (after being ignored in the talk page for that duration of time; how do you expect me to react if I can't engage in debate to make the truth available for your consumption?) and attempted to assert my factually sourced consensus with a new source and you responded with a threat. I've laid out the facts. The consensus is generally positive. Not unanimously positive, not simply "positive", but generally positive. That's not me saying that, it's the source you claim to be citing and The Huffington Post. End of story. (Sidenote: most of the "mixed" reviews on Metacritic are 60, AKA one point below positive, and have obvious positive leanings, but that's too obvious and lengthy to go into detail about. I won't go into detail on the numerous critics who have taken issue with the biased and unintelligible reviews that critics gave the album as that's not the issue here, but that is also something to take into account.)"
Obviously I took issue with every point he raised and disproved them as conjecture and he ultimately just refused to discuss the issue anymore because he knew he had no case. Again: The consensus has not been agreed upon. It has been proven to be generally positive a million different ways (here is the Entertainment Weekly source I listed early that further proves my claims: x. This page is flawed and needs correcting. Reece Leonard ( talk) 06:09, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
About your Third Opinion request: Your request has been removed because Third Opinions are only for disputes involving exactly two editors. If you still need dispute resolution, consider DRN, MEDCOM, or a RFC. Regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 16:31, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Not to be a bitch doctor, but really, I think the entire Critical reception field is entirely too positive as it is. We're all here debating about the Metacritic line, when really the entire section should be up for consideration. For an album with the sort of critical reception ARTPOP has received, the Critical reception field should at least have 1 positive paragraph, 1 neutral/mixed paragraph, and one negative paragraph. But, as it is right now: it has 1 very positive paragraph, 1 neutral paragraph with many positive inclinations, and one more neutral/slightly-negative paragraph with some more positive one-liners thrown in at the end. Only 1 negative review is currently included. But then we have that whole fourth Forbes-paragraph at the end, claiming that all the negative reviews were just BS. It's all VERY one-sided, and needs to be re-written. Homeostasis07 ( talk) 01:45, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
Metacritic, the source you claim to be citing, doesn't base its consensus off of the number of reviews in each category but off of the weighted average of the reviews listed and has come up with a consensus of "generally favorable". Metacritic forms a conglomerate of reviews for the sole purpose of using them to form a weighted, calculated score and consensus based on the idea that certain publications are more recognized and authoritative and get more of a voice in the consensus. In the matter of this album, the consensus is "generally favorable". There are more mixed reviews listed on the cite, but focusing on the number of categorical reviews is overly simplistic; It doesn't tell the whole story. It's also not the approach that Metacritic, the source where this information is coming from, adheres to. Picking and choosing information from a source and ignoring others doesn't make any sense. Even if you were to go by the standard of focusing on the number of reviews in each category (again, an act that Metacritic, the source being cited, does not practice), twelve of the reviews that are listed as "mixed" are literally one percentage point below being listed as entirely positive and cannot simply be passed off as mixed. They consist mostly of 3/5 star or 3 and a half/5 star reviews, otherwise known as positive reviews with reservations. If those reviews are discounted, the vast majority that STATic has been claiming to exist in the mixed section evaporates. In response to this rebuttal, you keep repeating the same thing over and over again about how many reviews are in the mixed category, as if that changes the fact that you're picking and choosing information from one source that ultimately states, point blank, the opposite of the consensus you're for arguing here. The Huffington Post also gave a round-up, sourcing multiple reviews, and stated that the consensus was positive. DigitalSpy also stated, point blank, that the album received a generally positive critical response while sourcing multiple reviews that allowed them to come to that factual conclusion. That would mean that three separate sources concur with my viewpoint, including the one you're attempting to cite, while you have one article by The Guardian that concurs with your viewpoint, a gossip blog, and a local newspaper that hardly constitutes as a reliable source. When it comes to the sourced fact, your argument falls apart. When it comes to bias, you have admitted to disliking this artist and her fanbase and suggested that you feel rap is superior to her type of music in general, which means that you not only have a biased viewpoint of this artist but a biased argument against pop music in general. Homeostasis, you admitted that you have been accused multiple times in the past of bias against this artist. You both have a responsibility to recuse yourself as your biased viewpoints require your abstention from this page. It is not just me saying this, as IndianBio has stated that I've made numerous factual arguments that you repeatedly ignore in lieu of your own personal view of the consensus. Adhere to sourced fact, stop insulting users who question your vandalistic actions, and move on. Reece Leonard ( talk) 22:59, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
I will say again: When it comes to the sourced fact, your argument falls apart. When it comes to bias, you have admitted to disliking this artist and her fanbase and suggested that you feel rap is superior to her type of music in general (Quote: "What should I expect from Lady Gaga fans though lol, back to some Ghostface Killah."), which means that you not only have a biased viewpoint of this artist but a biased argument against pop music in general. Homeostasis, you admitted that you have been accused multiple times in the past of bias against this artist (Quote: "I'm getting pretty sick of being called a "hater" by Lady Gaga fans, TBH.") You both have a responsibility to recuse yourself as your biased viewpoints require your abstention from this page. It is not just me saying this, as IndianBio has stated that I've made numerous factual arguments that you repeatedly ignore in lieu of your own personal view of the consensus. Pointing out your bias is not a personal attack. You don't get to table a disagreement just because you don't want the page to change, especially when you're refusing to adhere to sourced fact. IndianBio does not agree with you two and has stated that you need to attempt to refute my arguments instead of ignoring it. The other three stated their opinions four months ago and have not participated in this recent disagreement. Citing them as consenters is ridiculous. Reece Leonard ( talk) 01:00, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
No discussion here, there has been enough of that, so just sign you name on what you think should be listed based on the sources provided.
No, you don't get to just instigate a poll to avoid my numerous sources. According to WP:CONSENSUS, Consensus on Wikipedia does not mean unanimity (which, although an ideal result, is not always achievable); nor is it the result of a vote. Reece Leonard ( talk) 00:00, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
The arguments here seem to be quite cyclical, despite a fairly strong
consensus having emerged among other users. At what point does it become time to put this to bed?
Consensus is not unanimity, but what seems to have emerged is very strong broad agreement, and far more unanimous than many others seen across Wikipedia.
Maybe its time for everyone to move on and get on with their lives? --
Rushton2010 (
talk) 03:57, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
"This discussion is over" -Thank goodness for that. Everyone please move on with your lives and return to enjoying contributing to Wikipedia.
Reece, It's sad that they have felt the need to take that route, but continuing a discussion when all the others so obviously disagree just becomes disruptive and is a waste of time for all involved. Perhaps if you volunteered a topic ban you might avoid a formal site wide ban? --
Rushton2010 (
talk) 21:27, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
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I created the following redirects to Artpop:
I have already checked for proper disambiguation, so please expand these redirects as article development begins. Thanks! -- Another Believer ( Talk) 00:55, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
Vincexgaga ( talk) 09:31, 22 September 2013 (UTC) The only songs from there that are confirmed is Aura, I Wanna Be With You, Manicure, Sex Dreams and Swine. I have no idea where you got those from and those have not been mentioned by her at all. She is releasing the tracklist on the 29th of September so wait till then.
Update: I created redirects for the confirmed tracks, including some of the above plus:
Apologies for creating incorrect redirects before--I did not realize I was viewing an unreliable source. Please feel free to delete the unnecessary redirects, which I have striked out above. I believe all of the redirects that have been created for the album adhere to Wikipedia's manual of style. -- Another Believer ( Talk) 17:17, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
-- Another Believer ( Talk) 04:14, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
I have requested that some of the links above be deleted. Others have been redirected to the appropriate existing disambiguation page (there are other songs by these titles). Question regarding naming conventions for two of the confirmed tracks: is "Sex Dreams" or "Sexxx Dreams" more in accordance with MoS? Ditto for "Jewels and Drugs" vs. "Jewels n' Drugs"? -- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:56, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
Please, for the love of god, can someone edit this? It looks like it was edited by Lady Gaga forum goers who watch every Lady Gaga tweet. Now, don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with that, but PLEASE stop it with the Twitter sources and editing the wiki page with EVERY thing she tweets about. It's kinda unnecessary! ~Sorry If I came on too harsh. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.200.28.218 ( talk) 06:47, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
Normally for american artists, the american release date is what is listed.
I know it's released in Germany first, but it seems odd. The media and the artist herself lists the date as November 11, so that should be under the release date. The overseas dates are secondary.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Born2booze ( talk • contribs)
Currently, the German release date (November 8, 2013) is missing in the introduction and the section "Release history". Your best bet would be to name it alongside with german-speaking country Austria, wich is considered in the article. -- 79.240.169.154 ( talk) 13:28, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
Do we know if "Fashion!" is this previously released song? -- Another Believer ( Talk) 17:54, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
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source In the singles section, can someone add that on October 7, 2013 her official Facebook cover photo was updated showing the album's official cover art with text next to it that read: The new album featuring ‘Applause’ and ‘Gypsy' availalbe November 11". The cover was later updated and Gypsy was removed. but i still think its notable to be mentioned because it is a hint that Gypsy was supposed to be the second single before Gaga decided to go with Venus instead.
It is not necessary to. This page does not need to contain every little thing that happens leading up to the release. Vincexgaga ( talk) 05:24, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
Why is MANiCURE written as Manicure? It has a double meaning, the nail treatment and being cured by men, so it should be MANiCURE and not Manicure. Dope on the other hand should be written in lower case. 82.181.198.121 ( talk) 13:47, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
The link above can be expanded as soon as enough information exists for the album's second single. -- Another Believer ( Talk) 16:40, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
GYPSY Gaga Said it was produced by Madeon AND Redone.
VENUS PRODUCER There is no confirmed producer for this. Why on earth would you list the rumoured female producer — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.251.247.211 ( talk) 20:10, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
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Please change the phrase: "On October 4, a trailer for the movie Machete Kills, which marks Gaga's actorial debut," to "On October 4, a trailer for the movie Machete Kills, which marks Gaga's acting debut,"
I m requesting this change because actorial is not a word, and acting is a suitable replacement.
78.86.59.218 ( talk) 09:12, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
"G.U.Y" is actually called "G.U.Y (Girl Under You)". "Do What U Want" is "Do What U Want (With My Body)". "Manicure" is "MANiCURE". "Artpop" is "ARTPOP". And "Dope" is "DOPE". Please change :):):) xxx — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.104.227.116 ( talk) 15:38, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
a revelation that instead was announced one month in advanced should read as a revelation that instead was announced one month in advance
(Forgive me if I'm submitting this wrong; I just made an account to point that out, since I can't edit the article myself.)
KeiBlossom ( talk) 09:08, 16 October 2013 (UTC)KeiBlossom
So, although I'm not actually sure whether it's been officially confirmed or not, one of the songs that Gaga performed at the iTunes Festival "I Wanna Be With You" has been reworked into a new song on ARTPOP called "Dope". Fair enough. However, I noticed in the summary of the iTunes Festival (in 'Promotion'), it doesn't reference "I Wanna Be With You", but rather "Dope".
Should it not say that the song performed was "I Wanna Be With You", since it undeniably was called that at the time (complete with accompanying hashtag '#GagaIWannaBeWithYou') and was reported in sources as that? The rumours are only that "I Wanna Be With You" was REWORKED into "Dope", not that it's the same song just renamed. I don't know exactly how Wikipedia deals with things like this in regards to retrospect, but it's blatantly false to say that one of the songs that she performed at the iTunes festival was called "Dope", since there is simply no evidence that that is the case.
Of course, if "Dope" does turn out to be a reworked "I Wanna Be With You", which to be honest is looking much like the case, then a note should be made when mentioning "I Wanna Be With You" that it was reworked into "Dope". And if the section is changed back to read "I Wanna Be With You", the redirect I Wanna Be With You (Lady Gaga song) should link here again. FeFiFo ( talk) 17:59, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
To avoid an edit war, I just want to clarify on here what I'm trying to say. We don't know how much of "I Wanna Be With You", if any, has been used in "Dope", and so we can't say with any certainty that they are the same song, just with different titles. No source lists the song as "Dope", while countless list it as "I Wanna Be With You", some of which have already been listed in previous discussions.
It is original research at the moment to say that "I Wanna Be With You" is an "old name". One of Gaga's previously unreleased songs "Earthquake" later had its chorus reworked into "Fashion of His Love" on Born This Way, but you wouldn't then say that "Earthquake" IS "Fashion of His Love". Until the official version of "Dope" is released, it's more reliable to treat "I Wanna Be With You" and "Dope" as separate songs, and to refer to the song performed at the iTunes Festival as "I Wanna Be With You", with a note saying that "I Wanna Be With You" does not appear on the ARTPOP tracklisting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FeFiFo ( talk • contribs) 21:34, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
The track listing section has a few errors in it -
Please can you change as this article is incorrect!!!:( — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.104.230.131 ( talk) 17:12, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
It's spelled:
Jewels N' Drugs MANiCURE (with the 'i' being the only lower cased letter)
As confirmed on iTunes and Gaga on Twitter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.200.28.218 ( talk) 08:15, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
I noticed that on the ARTPOP page, on the upper-right side of the page, under the album artwork, there are the singles listed with their release dates. Shouldn't the dates be changed for both to the official radio release dates? So Applause should be listed as August 19, 2013 and Do What U Want as November 5, 2013.
— Preceding
unsigned comment added by
67.164.82.196 (
talk) 03:19, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
Well, today (October 28, 2013) "
Venus" was released for retail purchase on
Amazon.com as a
single. See
this source. We should not be referring to this song as a
promotional single, since if you read that article it says, "A promotional recording, or promo, is an audio or video recording distributed for free, usually in order to promote a recording that is or soon will be commercially available." So in turn because it was released to Amazon as a single, that makes "Venus" the album's third single. I would like to hear any logical objections that it is not a single, even though it received a retail release as a single. Keep in mind this is not a pre-order or countdown, it is an entire page dedicated to a retail release as single for the song.
STATic
message me! 06:22, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
I started to expand the "Dope" article, now that is has been confirmed to be the next promo single, but it has since been nominated for deletion. Feel free to chime in on the discussion. Or, please feel free to assist with the article's expansion. Are there more article detailing the name change following her live performance of the song in the UK? -- Another Believer ( Talk) 22:04, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
I am wondering about the best way to disambiguate Gaga's 2009 song "Fashion" with her 2013 song "Fashion!" Currently, Fashion (Lady Gaga song) redirects readers to the compilation album on which the song appears. Because I was not sure if the "Fashion!" that appears on Artpop was the same song or not, I did not create a separate redirect until more details were provided. I think we can assume now that, based on the writing credits, the songs are different. My understanding of disambiguation pages is that punctuation alone cannot differentiate articles, so creating Fashion! (Lady Gaga song) would not suffice. Should the previously-created redirect be moved to Fashion (2009 Lady Gaga song)? And the Artpop track Fashion! (2013 Lady Gaga song)? -- Another Believer ( Talk) 20:13, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps a section for the album app, including confirmed songs, the controversy re: album vs. app sales, etc.? -- Another Believer ( Talk) 21:32, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
There was no widespread controversy about the ARTPOP app. The issue was brought up by a notorious Lady Gaga hate site that claimed individual song purchases via the app would count as an entire app download, so downloading Applause alone would equate to one ARTPOP album sales. Bill Werde from Billboard quickly shot down this incredibly ridiculous accusation, noting on his Twitter page that of course single sales do not count for album sales, only album sales count for album sales.
Here are links to Bill Werde's tweets clearing up this so-called "controversy".
https://twitter.com/bwerde/status/362722995518709760 - Stating that if you BUY the album from within the app then of course it will count since the album is being bought.
https://twitter.com/bwerde/status/362723505986469888 - The Lady Gaga hate site claimed Gaga's team would "lie about album sales through the app to boost sales", Bill said not true.
https://twitter.com/bwerde/status/362726550745001985 - Confirming that one song purchase WILL NOT COUNT as an entire album purchase.
So far the album itself has been controversy-free. That might change in the future considering it's Lady Gaga. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthagio ( talk • contribs) 08:43, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
It might make sense to add information about pre-release to Release history. It was pre-released in UK to O2 Tracks customers on October 26. See Lady Gaga's ARTPOP available exclusively on O2 Tracks pre-release. Xdmytro ( talk) 15:29, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
The album has been leaked in full. Please check with the news agencies and update. -- 117.213.220.20 ( talk) 07:12, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
... almost enough info for its own article... -- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:54, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
Why is Anton Zavlaski listed as Zedd in the producer section and Leclerq not listed as Madeon? DJUnBalanced ( talk) 17:50, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
The gold certification is a FRAUDE. It hasn't been sold 20.000 copies but less than 8.000. It's been filtered the real Spain sales http://www.abc.es/cultura/musica/20131228/abci-fraude-industria-discografica-espaola-201312272217.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.17.178.240 ( talk) 18:18, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
http://gaonchart.co.kr/digital_chart/album.php This can be added! Please! JLeemans1 ( talk) 10:04, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
No.1 in Japan, selling over 58.000 copies in its first week.
http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20131111-00000326-oric-musi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.184.90 ( talk) 02:14, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
...Phew. — Indian:BIO · [ ChitChat ] 09:08, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
Lady Gaga is heading for her third UK No 1 album source — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patry B. ( talk • contribs) 07:09, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/news/a531426/lady-gagas-artpop-predicted-to-sell-75-percent-less-than-born-this-way.html and http://www.lacapital.com.ar/escenario/Artpop-el-album-de-Lady-Gaga-que-llego-rodeado-de-obstaculos--20131114-0024.html from La Capital. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.6.165.231 ( talk) 14:00, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The source that has been cited for this section is Metacritic, which states that the album has received "generally favorable reviews". The argument has been made that there are more mixed than positive reviews listed on the site, but from what I can see from other album pages ( Prism (Katy Perry album), etc.) who have received more mixed reviews than positive on Metacritic actually go by the overall weighted average in their listed critical consensus. "Generally positive reviews" is listed on the Katy Perry page and this standard should be reflected here as they are both listed as receiving "generally favorable reviews" on Metacritic. The standard is the weighted score, not the sheer number of articles. Reece Leonard 10:42 19 November 2013 (UTC)
"Generally positive" LOL. If we're using Metacritic as the key source, it should state it received "mostly mixed reviews", as on Metacritic it has 20 mixed and only 9 positive.
Also "Generalisation" is correct with a S OR a Z. Z is more commonly used in the US, but both are in the dictionary.... Perhaps when you crack open the dictionary, you also look up "consensus" ;-)
"I've stated, multiple times now, that a focus on the number of categorical reviews is an overly simplistic approach that Metacritic itself does not adhere to. The source that you claim to be citing undermines your argument; Metacritic presents a mathematically calculated weighted score based on the philosophy that large journals such as Entertainment Weekly, Billboard, etc. have accrued more integrity over their run and, in turn, have more bearing on the ultimate consensus, which is why the consensus reads "generally favorable reviews". According to your logic (again, that Metacritic does not adhere to), small blog-based start-up sites that have a history of false reporting (the Examiner, to give an example) would be given equal weight in deciding the consensus as an established and respected journal like Entertainment Weekly. I've spelled this issue out multiple times, but instead of responding to it with sources or even measured argument, you've resorted to repeating your original argument of "Numbers!!!!! More mixed reviews!!! That's all that matters!!!" and threatening to block me from editing for questioning your own viewpoint of the critical consensus that blatantly ignores the consensus listed on the only source you have. In regards to the other wikipedia users who have agreed with you; you have to admit that their arguments are rarely coherent and ultimately repeat the same talking-point of "there are more mixed reviews listed and that's all that matters" that I've already raised issue with. Rushton2010 spouted off his own personal narrative based on his research in reading the reviews (a practice you've accused me of in the past and pointed out was against the guidelines of wikipedia); the others acted on similar lines (Sven Manguard gave his own personal interpretation of a 60% Metacritic score, again, against the policies of wikipedia in your own words, as did Smarty9108). You keep redirecting me to various guideline pages in the hopes that that will make you out to seem like the educated veteran dealing with a persistent and ignorant nuisance, but the fact is the page on consensus states, and I quote: "The quality of an argument is more important than whether it represents a minority or a majority view." - You've discussed your own personal interpretation of one source (that the source doesn't concur with) and I've given you another valid one from a respectable journal that lists multiple different reviews and draws the conclusion that the consensus was positive and instead of responding to that in any way (other than calling it an "early" list of reviews when you've previously attempted to use smaller, lesser sources that not only didn't refer to other reviews, but that were published on dates on or very close to the date that my new source was published to support your factually inaccurate opinion of the consensus), you just repeated your original argument of "Numbers!!! More mixed reviews!! That's all that matters!!" again. I came back four months later (after being ignored in the talk page for that duration of time; how do you expect me to react if I can't engage in debate to make the truth available for your consumption?) and attempted to assert my factually sourced consensus with a new source and you responded with a threat. I've laid out the facts. The consensus is generally positive. Not unanimously positive, not simply "positive", but generally positive. That's not me saying that, it's the source you claim to be citing and The Huffington Post. End of story. (Sidenote: most of the "mixed" reviews on Metacritic are 60, AKA one point below positive, and have obvious positive leanings, but that's too obvious and lengthy to go into detail about. I won't go into detail on the numerous critics who have taken issue with the biased and unintelligible reviews that critics gave the album as that's not the issue here, but that is also something to take into account.)"
Obviously I took issue with every point he raised and disproved them as conjecture and he ultimately just refused to discuss the issue anymore because he knew he had no case. Again: The consensus has not been agreed upon. It has been proven to be generally positive a million different ways (here is the Entertainment Weekly source I listed early that further proves my claims: x. This page is flawed and needs correcting. Reece Leonard ( talk) 06:09, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
About your Third Opinion request: Your request has been removed because Third Opinions are only for disputes involving exactly two editors. If you still need dispute resolution, consider DRN, MEDCOM, or a RFC. Regards, TransporterMan ( TALK) 16:31, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Not to be a bitch doctor, but really, I think the entire Critical reception field is entirely too positive as it is. We're all here debating about the Metacritic line, when really the entire section should be up for consideration. For an album with the sort of critical reception ARTPOP has received, the Critical reception field should at least have 1 positive paragraph, 1 neutral/mixed paragraph, and one negative paragraph. But, as it is right now: it has 1 very positive paragraph, 1 neutral paragraph with many positive inclinations, and one more neutral/slightly-negative paragraph with some more positive one-liners thrown in at the end. Only 1 negative review is currently included. But then we have that whole fourth Forbes-paragraph at the end, claiming that all the negative reviews were just BS. It's all VERY one-sided, and needs to be re-written. Homeostasis07 ( talk) 01:45, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
Metacritic, the source you claim to be citing, doesn't base its consensus off of the number of reviews in each category but off of the weighted average of the reviews listed and has come up with a consensus of "generally favorable". Metacritic forms a conglomerate of reviews for the sole purpose of using them to form a weighted, calculated score and consensus based on the idea that certain publications are more recognized and authoritative and get more of a voice in the consensus. In the matter of this album, the consensus is "generally favorable". There are more mixed reviews listed on the cite, but focusing on the number of categorical reviews is overly simplistic; It doesn't tell the whole story. It's also not the approach that Metacritic, the source where this information is coming from, adheres to. Picking and choosing information from a source and ignoring others doesn't make any sense. Even if you were to go by the standard of focusing on the number of reviews in each category (again, an act that Metacritic, the source being cited, does not practice), twelve of the reviews that are listed as "mixed" are literally one percentage point below being listed as entirely positive and cannot simply be passed off as mixed. They consist mostly of 3/5 star or 3 and a half/5 star reviews, otherwise known as positive reviews with reservations. If those reviews are discounted, the vast majority that STATic has been claiming to exist in the mixed section evaporates. In response to this rebuttal, you keep repeating the same thing over and over again about how many reviews are in the mixed category, as if that changes the fact that you're picking and choosing information from one source that ultimately states, point blank, the opposite of the consensus you're for arguing here. The Huffington Post also gave a round-up, sourcing multiple reviews, and stated that the consensus was positive. DigitalSpy also stated, point blank, that the album received a generally positive critical response while sourcing multiple reviews that allowed them to come to that factual conclusion. That would mean that three separate sources concur with my viewpoint, including the one you're attempting to cite, while you have one article by The Guardian that concurs with your viewpoint, a gossip blog, and a local newspaper that hardly constitutes as a reliable source. When it comes to the sourced fact, your argument falls apart. When it comes to bias, you have admitted to disliking this artist and her fanbase and suggested that you feel rap is superior to her type of music in general, which means that you not only have a biased viewpoint of this artist but a biased argument against pop music in general. Homeostasis, you admitted that you have been accused multiple times in the past of bias against this artist. You both have a responsibility to recuse yourself as your biased viewpoints require your abstention from this page. It is not just me saying this, as IndianBio has stated that I've made numerous factual arguments that you repeatedly ignore in lieu of your own personal view of the consensus. Adhere to sourced fact, stop insulting users who question your vandalistic actions, and move on. Reece Leonard ( talk) 22:59, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
I will say again: When it comes to the sourced fact, your argument falls apart. When it comes to bias, you have admitted to disliking this artist and her fanbase and suggested that you feel rap is superior to her type of music in general (Quote: "What should I expect from Lady Gaga fans though lol, back to some Ghostface Killah."), which means that you not only have a biased viewpoint of this artist but a biased argument against pop music in general. Homeostasis, you admitted that you have been accused multiple times in the past of bias against this artist (Quote: "I'm getting pretty sick of being called a "hater" by Lady Gaga fans, TBH.") You both have a responsibility to recuse yourself as your biased viewpoints require your abstention from this page. It is not just me saying this, as IndianBio has stated that I've made numerous factual arguments that you repeatedly ignore in lieu of your own personal view of the consensus. Pointing out your bias is not a personal attack. You don't get to table a disagreement just because you don't want the page to change, especially when you're refusing to adhere to sourced fact. IndianBio does not agree with you two and has stated that you need to attempt to refute my arguments instead of ignoring it. The other three stated their opinions four months ago and have not participated in this recent disagreement. Citing them as consenters is ridiculous. Reece Leonard ( talk) 01:00, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
No discussion here, there has been enough of that, so just sign you name on what you think should be listed based on the sources provided.
No, you don't get to just instigate a poll to avoid my numerous sources. According to WP:CONSENSUS, Consensus on Wikipedia does not mean unanimity (which, although an ideal result, is not always achievable); nor is it the result of a vote. Reece Leonard ( talk) 00:00, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
The arguments here seem to be quite cyclical, despite a fairly strong
consensus having emerged among other users. At what point does it become time to put this to bed?
Consensus is not unanimity, but what seems to have emerged is very strong broad agreement, and far more unanimous than many others seen across Wikipedia.
Maybe its time for everyone to move on and get on with their lives? --
Rushton2010 (
talk) 03:57, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
"This discussion is over" -Thank goodness for that. Everyone please move on with your lives and return to enjoying contributing to Wikipedia.
Reece, It's sad that they have felt the need to take that route, but continuing a discussion when all the others so obviously disagree just becomes disruptive and is a waste of time for all involved. Perhaps if you volunteered a topic ban you might avoid a formal site wide ban? --
Rushton2010 (
talk) 21:27, 28 February 2014 (UTC)