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"The explosion of the volcano was not the main cause of the disappearance of Armero. The Lagunilla river had been blocked for more than 2 months, when considerably smaller eruptions of the Arenas volcano had melted part of the Ruiz mountain. As a result, the Lagunilla ended up looking more like a lake than a river.
The Nevado del Ruiz Volcano eruption swept away Armero.The night when the volcano exploded, a gigantic ice rock from the top of the mountain fell into the Lagunilla river, creating a megatsunami of mud, ash and water..."
I can't find any confirmation of this sequence of events anywhere on the web or in textbooks. Would greatly appreciate if someone could direct me to the source of this information. Lack of citation casts doubt on the validity of the passage. Paablo 06:15, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
This speed is unusually high for this type of event. rylincoln ( talk) 14:58, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Agreed, Rylincoln. Still waiting on a citation. The USGS Nevado del Ruiz article, referencing Ewert et al. (1993) suggests that the lahar was indeed a direct effect of the November eruption, with no mention of the megatsunami. I admit that I am not familiar with the Ewert paper. -- Paablo ( talk) 20:37, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
In the third paragraph, second sentence, is that supposed to be there were several evacuation attempts? In the relief efforts section, first paragraph, in the list of items sent, it says 500 tents. Not sure what that is supposed to be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.230.167.170 ( talk) 18:56, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
I hadn't forgotten about this, things just kept appearing on my watchlist. I'll list issues here if I don't think I should change something myself.
Somebody is questioning whether people died from hypothermia because the water was warm. At the time of year this happened and at night the area would have been cool/cold. Anyone saturated with water and without shelter would have been at grave risk of hypothermia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.182.23.152 ( talk) 03:09, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
Was reading this, and I hope a couple of comments are OK at this late stage:
Overall, nice article! As I said to Ceranthor on my talk page months ago, Yungay, Peru and the 1970 Ancash earthquake is another massive natural disaster that it would be nice to see featured at some point (maybe for 31 May next year?). Carcharoth ( talk) 00:44, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
Regarding Stanley Williams I and a lot of other scientist treat everything that he says or is supposed to have said with a very large pinch of salt. He was at Galeras in 1993 and according to him he was the only survivor - he now denies saying that but he is on record on videotape actually saying "I was the only survivor!" He claims to have correlated gas emissions with long period seismic activity - he refused in the days before and after Galeras to accept that long period seismic signals indicated an increasing possibility of an eruption. He shouts down those who oppose his views and will attempt to intimidate those who disagree with him - he has an attitude of "If I haven't invented it or discovered it is useless," but then when he is proved to be wrong his attitude and presentation changes - "I was thinking along those lines myself," or "That is a line of research I am following." I could go on about how he is "Mr Marvellous," but suffice it to say he still is as irksome today as he was in 1985 when he turned up un-invited to the post Ruiz investigations. Before anyone tells me I am wrong I actually do know him!
On re-reading this again, I noticed the memorial section is a little bit sparse. There is also no mention of graves or cemeteries. There is also some information in the Amero article that should probably be in this disaster article as well. Mostly the last three paragraphs and the picture File:Vallaspedagogicas.JPG.
I also found this website, but my Spanish isn't great. There is also this account which is a personal account, so not great as a source, but a moving read.
As for memorials, it seems there is a big white cross with an inscription. The cross can be seen (just) here, and this photo is presumably part of the inscription or information attached to the memorial (I've been unable to find out exactly what the inscription is that was added). Even better (but not free) is this Getty image of a young Pope John Paul II kneeling at the base of the cross. That might be worth linking to in the external links.
I also found this TIME article from 2005. Again, might be worth adding to the external links.
Also, Commons has a category. Carcharoth ( talk) 23:30, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
Is 'Amero tragedy' an appropriate name for the page. As an encyclopaedia it is not really for us to label something as a 'tragedy' as this is subjective by any measure. Mtaylor848 ( talk) 23:36, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
{{geodata-check}}
The following coordinate fixes are needed for
armero tradgedy
map sites --at least wikimapia-- currently go to the new town a couple miles to the north. the actual disaster site which is in a ruined state is near the river to the south.
the wikimapia SHOULD point here:
http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=4.9616672&lon=-74.9061584&z=12&l=0&m=b
or closer in:
http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=4.9636126&lon=-74.9049139&z=16&l=0&m=b
one can see the outlines of 'ghost' roads still.
please adjust other map site links as needed.
— Cramyourspam ( talk) 03:36, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
The authorities and media knew, so who was unaware? The people who lived there, who became its victims. I'm changing it to "the populace's unawareness". -- Thnidu ( talk) 23:48, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
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The second para states " ... sending four enormous lahars ... down its slopes at 50 kilometers per hour ... " — but the third para under the sub-heading Eruption and lahars (under heading Eruption (1985)) in the article on Nevado del Ruiz has this: "The lahars ... ran down the volcano's sides at an average speed of 60 km per hour ... ". 'Average speed' clearly implies that some were even faster than 60 km/h. Can these two articles be made consistent? [And can "km/h" be used rather than "kilometers per hour" and "km per hour"?]
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The 6 billion in the info box is unsouced and disages with this W.E.F artical wich sites the ecomic damage at 1 billion.the info box should be ammended to reflect this Roma enjoyer ( talk) 12:54, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
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A source citation is needed for the following segment:
"The explosion of the volcano was not the main cause of the disappearance of Armero. The Lagunilla river had been blocked for more than 2 months, when considerably smaller eruptions of the Arenas volcano had melted part of the Ruiz mountain. As a result, the Lagunilla ended up looking more like a lake than a river.
The Nevado del Ruiz Volcano eruption swept away Armero.The night when the volcano exploded, a gigantic ice rock from the top of the mountain fell into the Lagunilla river, creating a megatsunami of mud, ash and water..."
I can't find any confirmation of this sequence of events anywhere on the web or in textbooks. Would greatly appreciate if someone could direct me to the source of this information. Lack of citation casts doubt on the validity of the passage. Paablo 06:15, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
This speed is unusually high for this type of event. rylincoln ( talk) 14:58, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Agreed, Rylincoln. Still waiting on a citation. The USGS Nevado del Ruiz article, referencing Ewert et al. (1993) suggests that the lahar was indeed a direct effect of the November eruption, with no mention of the megatsunami. I admit that I am not familiar with the Ewert paper. -- Paablo ( talk) 20:37, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
In the third paragraph, second sentence, is that supposed to be there were several evacuation attempts? In the relief efforts section, first paragraph, in the list of items sent, it says 500 tents. Not sure what that is supposed to be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.230.167.170 ( talk) 18:56, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
I hadn't forgotten about this, things just kept appearing on my watchlist. I'll list issues here if I don't think I should change something myself.
Somebody is questioning whether people died from hypothermia because the water was warm. At the time of year this happened and at night the area would have been cool/cold. Anyone saturated with water and without shelter would have been at grave risk of hypothermia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.182.23.152 ( talk) 03:09, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
Was reading this, and I hope a couple of comments are OK at this late stage:
Overall, nice article! As I said to Ceranthor on my talk page months ago, Yungay, Peru and the 1970 Ancash earthquake is another massive natural disaster that it would be nice to see featured at some point (maybe for 31 May next year?). Carcharoth ( talk) 00:44, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
Regarding Stanley Williams I and a lot of other scientist treat everything that he says or is supposed to have said with a very large pinch of salt. He was at Galeras in 1993 and according to him he was the only survivor - he now denies saying that but he is on record on videotape actually saying "I was the only survivor!" He claims to have correlated gas emissions with long period seismic activity - he refused in the days before and after Galeras to accept that long period seismic signals indicated an increasing possibility of an eruption. He shouts down those who oppose his views and will attempt to intimidate those who disagree with him - he has an attitude of "If I haven't invented it or discovered it is useless," but then when he is proved to be wrong his attitude and presentation changes - "I was thinking along those lines myself," or "That is a line of research I am following." I could go on about how he is "Mr Marvellous," but suffice it to say he still is as irksome today as he was in 1985 when he turned up un-invited to the post Ruiz investigations. Before anyone tells me I am wrong I actually do know him!
On re-reading this again, I noticed the memorial section is a little bit sparse. There is also no mention of graves or cemeteries. There is also some information in the Amero article that should probably be in this disaster article as well. Mostly the last three paragraphs and the picture File:Vallaspedagogicas.JPG.
I also found this website, but my Spanish isn't great. There is also this account which is a personal account, so not great as a source, but a moving read.
As for memorials, it seems there is a big white cross with an inscription. The cross can be seen (just) here, and this photo is presumably part of the inscription or information attached to the memorial (I've been unable to find out exactly what the inscription is that was added). Even better (but not free) is this Getty image of a young Pope John Paul II kneeling at the base of the cross. That might be worth linking to in the external links.
I also found this TIME article from 2005. Again, might be worth adding to the external links.
Also, Commons has a category. Carcharoth ( talk) 23:30, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
Is 'Amero tragedy' an appropriate name for the page. As an encyclopaedia it is not really for us to label something as a 'tragedy' as this is subjective by any measure. Mtaylor848 ( talk) 23:36, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
{{geodata-check}}
The following coordinate fixes are needed for
armero tradgedy
map sites --at least wikimapia-- currently go to the new town a couple miles to the north. the actual disaster site which is in a ruined state is near the river to the south.
the wikimapia SHOULD point here:
http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=4.9616672&lon=-74.9061584&z=12&l=0&m=b
or closer in:
http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=4.9636126&lon=-74.9049139&z=16&l=0&m=b
one can see the outlines of 'ghost' roads still.
please adjust other map site links as needed.
— Cramyourspam ( talk) 03:36, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
The authorities and media knew, so who was unaware? The people who lived there, who became its victims. I'm changing it to "the populace's unawareness". -- Thnidu ( talk) 23:48, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
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The second para states " ... sending four enormous lahars ... down its slopes at 50 kilometers per hour ... " — but the third para under the sub-heading Eruption and lahars (under heading Eruption (1985)) in the article on Nevado del Ruiz has this: "The lahars ... ran down the volcano's sides at an average speed of 60 km per hour ... ". 'Average speed' clearly implies that some were even faster than 60 km/h. Can these two articles be made consistent? [And can "km/h" be used rather than "kilometers per hour" and "km per hour"?]
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The 6 billion in the info box is unsouced and disages with this W.E.F artical wich sites the ecomic damage at 1 billion.the info box should be ammended to reflect this Roma enjoyer ( talk) 12:54, 23 February 2024 (UTC)