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Individuals of Jewish decent are known as having Armenoid features. These features involve distinctive characteristics and are associated with a particular region (Syria, Israel, Armenia). Not all people of Jewish decent have these features but a good proportion do, similarly not all individuals who have Armenoid features are Jewish (Allport,1954). [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.109.113.222 ( talk) 09:24, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
Does this term by any chance have any relationship to the Armenians? Gringo300 2 July 2005 03:56 (UTC)
I am thinking the same thing, I bet it does. I am reading a book on Armenian history and in it the Hurrians are described as being an "Armenoid" people. It would make sense too, since part of historical Armenia is in the Caucasus Mountains. The reason this makes sense is cause Armenoid is a sub-group of the white race.-- Moosh88 06:28, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
there are actually quite a few diffrences between Armenoids and Dinarics, it is not a pigmentation diffrence there is also nasal breadth and convenxity and forhead and other factors, i mean phenotypically many Ashkenazi jews are Armenoid in features (showing their near eastern hebraic ancestry) but lighter in features than even dinarics.Armenoids can even be quite light even within neareast, to see a classic armenoid aproaching coons plates one has to look at nazi stereotypes of jews in der stummer, they are in fact extreme exagerated charicatures of armenoids in general,however a Armenoid that extreme is usually more at home in the Caucasus and the levant than among ashkenazi jews who are usually very reduced in armenid phenotypes, the Ancient hebrews where probably Assyrid-Armenid. it is a common type among lebanese christians and druze, Walid Jumblatt is a good example of a Light armenoid with no european ancestry, he could pass for an ashkenazi jew, no trouble at all.-- GorenSleiczik 03:26, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
The line "Armenoids were considered Indo-European and not related to Semitic" is not supported by the source it cites. The source is a book review, and at one point paraphrases the author as saying, "Armenoid...is not necessarily the same thing as Semitic." It also later paraphrases the author as saying "the entry of 'alien' Armenoid type into Egypt is to be connected with the first coming of 'Semitic' folk into Sumerian Babylonia," and thus, if anything, contradicting the line. Wikinamenottaken ( talk) 23:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
References
Shouldn't this article be renamed? Shouldn't it be called "Armenoid race" for the sake of consistency? 217.236.197.21 ( talk) 08:51, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
Armenians are one of the 5 Aaren races there are! That means pure blooded, The other four are German, Italian, Iranian, and the North American Native Indians. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.189.175.208 ( talk) 20:56, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Jews are Mediterranean. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.3.247.39 ( talk) 12:05, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
Just what I like to read, an entire page going deep into how white a race is, comparing them to "darker" races, and how much blonde hair and blue eyes they have, and of course we need pictures! Oh the whitey goodness! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.42.190.39 ( talk) 19:36, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
[ https://laulima.hawaii.edu/access/content/user/millerg/anth_150/IMAGES/Banner_Unit1.jpg Folk taxonomy: Leeward Community College, Hawaii RPSM ( talk) 10:36, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, I can't delete dead link above. RPSM ( talk) 14:00, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
Another link: https://www.livinganthropologically.com/race-without-color/ RPSM ( talk) 14:01, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
Review of Angela Saini's book:Superior: the return of race science RPSM ( talk) 10:56, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/may/27/superior-the-return-of-race-science-by-angela-saini-book-review RPSM ( talk) 10:57, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
An IP and a Iraqi Christian user obsessively adding some absurd personal opinions to the article despite there are cite errors and other problems with the sources. Someone must control the page. Lamedumal ( talk) 13:35, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
At least, Armenoid race is brachycephalic whereas the Iraqis, Mesopotamians and other Semitics are dolichocephalic. Armenoid race is associated with Pamirid race(another brachycephalic Indo-European speaking subtype) and/or Alphines, Dinaric races. Associated with Semites is not depending on any reliable sources and just an absurd pov. Lamedumal ( talk) 13:43, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
These IP's are belog to same person. Using multiple account and IP in order not to bann for 3RR. It is clearly a sock attack. Lamedumal ( talk) 14:33, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
The peoples that you have mentioned above belong to Arabid race. Lamedumal ( talk) 18:14, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
I am talking about "races" not linguistics. Armenoid, Pamirid, Arabid(Syrid)... are all races!-Arabid(Syrid) race is sometimes known as "Semitid". That is the reason why I use it- Anthropology is clear. The problem is that, there are some Iraqi Christians(Chaldean vica versa) who want to be Armenoid despite they belong to Arabid(Syrid) race. It is simply an inferior complex and harassing povs, not more. I have invite some Armenian users to the talk page. I am not going to arguing with these kinds of subjective edit-warriors. Yours faithfully... Lamedumal ( talk) 21:36, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
I MEAN, people know it as Semitid but its "scholarly" name is ARABID RACE. Ok? And there are many Armenians in Lebanon. As I said before, there are exceptions because of "mixing with Armenians" but just for this we CANNOT say that "Arap people are Armenoid". On the other hand, Sicilians and Iraqi Turkoman people seems like Arabid just like Iraqis, Jordanians, Syrians and so on. Why? Because they mixed with the Arabs, Chaldeans, vica versa. Just depending on that, we cannot add Italians and Turks to the Arabid(Syrid) race. I wish you can understand this time. Because I have no time to explain it over and over again. Lamedumal ( talk) 08:22, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
OMG! No, I am not going to explain it again! My words are clear to understand. I have invited some Armenian users to talk page. It is my last message. Kind regards... Lamedumal ( talk) 13:50, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
This article is based on racialist pseudoscience from before WW2. It is representing the statements of pseudoscientists with no expertise in the study of humans such as Ripley as fact, without noting that no respectable scientists today would consider this kind of racial typology to have any validity whatsoever. The article probably will need to be stubbed, since it will be very difficult to write a reasonable article about this topic, which onlu existed briefly in the minds of some pseudoscientists and today flourishes in neo-racist circles, at Stormfront.org and metapedia. User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 02:42, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
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This article is a joke. According to this article, almost all of the Middle East is Armenoid and "large minority" of them, i.e.most of the Middle Easterners, are blond-blue eyed. Furthermore, this article suggests that all these people mentioned in the article seem alike [5]. There are also verification problems and reliability of the sources are questionable. Therefore, I have re-added the tags which were removed by an user claiming the article is "well-sourced" [6]-- 52.185.152.203 ( talk) 15:42, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
I will also add that, as Maunus explained above, all the racial classifications from the scientific racism era, including "Armenoid", are now obsolete and considered as pseudoscience. I notice the article has not really mentioned any of this. I'm afraid, if the content is this bad, the article needs tags. 52.185.152.203 ( talk) 19:08, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
Wow you certainly seem to be a fan of Marks. I'm reading a paper by Ann Morning here and it contains a very disturbing fabrication. Apparently Blumenbach and the like were "called in" by racists to make a biological classification in order to justify political policies. This is baloney. In addition Blumenbach noted that races blend into each other and were not "discrete types" with "hard boundaries" or "homogeneous within". It doesn't really matter how many sources parrot the same strawman if one can simply look at the original and see that it's a fabricated representation of what "racist" scientists thought. Notably absent in these American Anthropology works are any quotes demonstrating that anyone held their strawman view. John Burgundy ( talk) 12:29, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2018/04/race-genetics-science-africa/ RPSM ( talk) 05:40, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
It's been used to define and separate people for millennia. But the concept of race is not grounded in genetics. RPSM ( talk) 05:54, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
Added content RPSM ( talk) 05:54, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
"There's no scientific basis for race..." is the heading of Elizabeth Kolbert's National Geographicarticle. RPSM ( talk) 07:28, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thesundayedition/the-sunday-edition-september-17-2017-1.4291332/there-is-no-such-thing-as-the-white-race-or-any-other-race-says-historian-1.4291372 RPSM ( talk) 12:57, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2017/science-genetics-reshaping-race-debate-21st-century/ RPSM ( talk) 13:19, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/opinion/sunday/genetics-race.html RPSM ( talk) 23:18, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
http://www.dismantlingracism.org/racism-defined.html RPSM ( talk) 01:04, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
[8] RPSM ( talk) 01:31, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
The very large amount of variation within groups dwarfs the small differences between groups, therefore race in humans does not have a biological meaning.
Read more: RPSM ( talk) 18:07, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
https://www.wired.com/2010/03/genome-at-10/ [ https://www.wired.com/2010/03/genome-at-10/10 Years on, The Genome Revolution Is Only Just Beginning RPSM ( talk) 02:37, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
[9] RPSM ( talk) 13:27, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
AAA Statement on Race RPSM ( talk) 01:47, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
[10] RPSM ( talk) 03:49, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
This page is a mess, filled with completely unrelated things, it needs to be taken care of by someone who is actually interested in Anthropology, there's already a page for "Scientific racism", there's no need to pollute the whole page by POV pushing, see: [ point of view]
I created 'Criticism' for users to discuss about "Scientific racism", this way it's way more readable. Խալդի ( talk) 21:25, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
See: /info/en/?search=Category:Historical_definitions_of_race
See the pages in this category, no other page is polluted with "Scientific racism", what makes this page different than those?
If you really want to mention "Scientific racism", you can do it under 'Criticism' section. Խալդի ( talk) 21:38, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
Polluted with "Scientific racism"? I half-wonder what you mean by that. We do not validate WP:FRINGE theories, and misrepresenting this as having modern acceptance would make this a fringe theory.
The term "Armenoid" was originally described by an Austrian anthropologist, Felix von Luschan during his travellings in Lycia. [1]
"Nazi and racial theorists" didn't invent the term "Armenoid", in fact they used "Near Eastern" to describe the Armenoid type, why the 'Origin' and section 'Nazi racial theories' sections are combined into one part?
References
It's not an original research Խալդի ( talk) 10:29, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
@
Grayfell:
Diff:
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Armenoid_race&diff=959939643&oldid=959938248
Luschan literally mentions in his book that he introduced the term, in his paper.
Luschan, Felix Von (1911).
The Early Inhabitants of Western Asia. Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland. p. 242. When I first upheld in 1892, in my paper on the anthropological position of the Jews, the homogeneous character of these groups, I called them "Armenoids." But there can be no doubt that they are all descended from tribes belonging to the great Hittite Empire
Here, I provided reliable source, by Carleton Stevens Coon, about Physiognomy of Armenoid race, based on observation of Armenian examples.
Coon, Carleton Stevens (1939).
The Races of Europe. The Macmillan Company. pp. 627–628.
ISBN
978-0837163284. [...]Dark brown eyes are most numerous in the west, where they form 36 per cent of the whole, and rare in the Lake Van region, where they form 1 3 per cent. Mixed and light eyes, mostly green-brown, but including 2 per cent of pure blue, total 34 per cent in Van, and but 11 per cent in Kaisarie. [...]The Armenians are as a rule thin-lipped, with medium to great chin prominence, a palpable bilateral cleft in the chin, and flaring gonial angles.
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Խալդի (
talk)
09:59, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
It is about Armenians, not Armenoid. These two terms are not interchangeable, nor synonymous. Your other additions are totally falsified and for some reason, you try to make seem "Armenoid" as blond-blue eyed and fringe racial theories as valid scientific researches. And what is the worse, you do it through source falsifications and edit-warring. 176.41.91.255 ( talk) 22:29, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
Does the passage pertaining to nazi racial theories even belong here? What Nazi racialists were describing was not the Armenoid race (as per Coon, Luschan, etc.) but a variety of features that were common to Armenoids, Arabids, etc. and which were most prevalent in the Middle East.
The content of th4e Gunther reference points to scientific racism rather than physical anthropology (which is heavily dependent on metrics and origins).
Typo56 ( talk) 09:58, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
I have fixed some clear source falsifications by user Խալդի. Editors watching this page should double check the references and the contents added by this user. 176.41.91.255 ( talk) 20:08, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
Fyi Doug Weller, Austronesier, Grayfell . 176.41.91.255 ( talk) 20:19, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
Especially in terms of references to ethnicities, countries, and regions in the cited literature. If a statement in the article cannot be easily deduced by simply reading the cited literature than it does not belong here. Typo56 ( talk) 09:47, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
Do we really need mugshot illustrations here when then the entire concept that lies behind the topic is pseudoscientific? Including these pictures here comes close to giving the concept some sort of credibility. Austronesier ( talk) 16:23, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
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Individuals of Jewish decent are known as having Armenoid features. These features involve distinctive characteristics and are associated with a particular region (Syria, Israel, Armenia). Not all people of Jewish decent have these features but a good proportion do, similarly not all individuals who have Armenoid features are Jewish (Allport,1954). [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.109.113.222 ( talk) 09:24, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
Does this term by any chance have any relationship to the Armenians? Gringo300 2 July 2005 03:56 (UTC)
I am thinking the same thing, I bet it does. I am reading a book on Armenian history and in it the Hurrians are described as being an "Armenoid" people. It would make sense too, since part of historical Armenia is in the Caucasus Mountains. The reason this makes sense is cause Armenoid is a sub-group of the white race.-- Moosh88 06:28, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
there are actually quite a few diffrences between Armenoids and Dinarics, it is not a pigmentation diffrence there is also nasal breadth and convenxity and forhead and other factors, i mean phenotypically many Ashkenazi jews are Armenoid in features (showing their near eastern hebraic ancestry) but lighter in features than even dinarics.Armenoids can even be quite light even within neareast, to see a classic armenoid aproaching coons plates one has to look at nazi stereotypes of jews in der stummer, they are in fact extreme exagerated charicatures of armenoids in general,however a Armenoid that extreme is usually more at home in the Caucasus and the levant than among ashkenazi jews who are usually very reduced in armenid phenotypes, the Ancient hebrews where probably Assyrid-Armenid. it is a common type among lebanese christians and druze, Walid Jumblatt is a good example of a Light armenoid with no european ancestry, he could pass for an ashkenazi jew, no trouble at all.-- GorenSleiczik 03:26, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
The line "Armenoids were considered Indo-European and not related to Semitic" is not supported by the source it cites. The source is a book review, and at one point paraphrases the author as saying, "Armenoid...is not necessarily the same thing as Semitic." It also later paraphrases the author as saying "the entry of 'alien' Armenoid type into Egypt is to be connected with the first coming of 'Semitic' folk into Sumerian Babylonia," and thus, if anything, contradicting the line. Wikinamenottaken ( talk) 23:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
References
Shouldn't this article be renamed? Shouldn't it be called "Armenoid race" for the sake of consistency? 217.236.197.21 ( talk) 08:51, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
Armenians are one of the 5 Aaren races there are! That means pure blooded, The other four are German, Italian, Iranian, and the North American Native Indians. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.189.175.208 ( talk) 20:56, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Jews are Mediterranean. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.3.247.39 ( talk) 12:05, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
Just what I like to read, an entire page going deep into how white a race is, comparing them to "darker" races, and how much blonde hair and blue eyes they have, and of course we need pictures! Oh the whitey goodness! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.42.190.39 ( talk) 19:36, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
[ https://laulima.hawaii.edu/access/content/user/millerg/anth_150/IMAGES/Banner_Unit1.jpg Folk taxonomy: Leeward Community College, Hawaii RPSM ( talk) 10:36, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, I can't delete dead link above. RPSM ( talk) 14:00, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
Another link: https://www.livinganthropologically.com/race-without-color/ RPSM ( talk) 14:01, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
Review of Angela Saini's book:Superior: the return of race science RPSM ( talk) 10:56, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/may/27/superior-the-return-of-race-science-by-angela-saini-book-review RPSM ( talk) 10:57, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
An IP and a Iraqi Christian user obsessively adding some absurd personal opinions to the article despite there are cite errors and other problems with the sources. Someone must control the page. Lamedumal ( talk) 13:35, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
At least, Armenoid race is brachycephalic whereas the Iraqis, Mesopotamians and other Semitics are dolichocephalic. Armenoid race is associated with Pamirid race(another brachycephalic Indo-European speaking subtype) and/or Alphines, Dinaric races. Associated with Semites is not depending on any reliable sources and just an absurd pov. Lamedumal ( talk) 13:43, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
These IP's are belog to same person. Using multiple account and IP in order not to bann for 3RR. It is clearly a sock attack. Lamedumal ( talk) 14:33, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
The peoples that you have mentioned above belong to Arabid race. Lamedumal ( talk) 18:14, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
I am talking about "races" not linguistics. Armenoid, Pamirid, Arabid(Syrid)... are all races!-Arabid(Syrid) race is sometimes known as "Semitid". That is the reason why I use it- Anthropology is clear. The problem is that, there are some Iraqi Christians(Chaldean vica versa) who want to be Armenoid despite they belong to Arabid(Syrid) race. It is simply an inferior complex and harassing povs, not more. I have invite some Armenian users to the talk page. I am not going to arguing with these kinds of subjective edit-warriors. Yours faithfully... Lamedumal ( talk) 21:36, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
I MEAN, people know it as Semitid but its "scholarly" name is ARABID RACE. Ok? And there are many Armenians in Lebanon. As I said before, there are exceptions because of "mixing with Armenians" but just for this we CANNOT say that "Arap people are Armenoid". On the other hand, Sicilians and Iraqi Turkoman people seems like Arabid just like Iraqis, Jordanians, Syrians and so on. Why? Because they mixed with the Arabs, Chaldeans, vica versa. Just depending on that, we cannot add Italians and Turks to the Arabid(Syrid) race. I wish you can understand this time. Because I have no time to explain it over and over again. Lamedumal ( talk) 08:22, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
OMG! No, I am not going to explain it again! My words are clear to understand. I have invited some Armenian users to talk page. It is my last message. Kind regards... Lamedumal ( talk) 13:50, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
This article is based on racialist pseudoscience from before WW2. It is representing the statements of pseudoscientists with no expertise in the study of humans such as Ripley as fact, without noting that no respectable scientists today would consider this kind of racial typology to have any validity whatsoever. The article probably will need to be stubbed, since it will be very difficult to write a reasonable article about this topic, which onlu existed briefly in the minds of some pseudoscientists and today flourishes in neo-racist circles, at Stormfront.org and metapedia. User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 02:42, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
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This article is a joke. According to this article, almost all of the Middle East is Armenoid and "large minority" of them, i.e.most of the Middle Easterners, are blond-blue eyed. Furthermore, this article suggests that all these people mentioned in the article seem alike [5]. There are also verification problems and reliability of the sources are questionable. Therefore, I have re-added the tags which were removed by an user claiming the article is "well-sourced" [6]-- 52.185.152.203 ( talk) 15:42, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
I will also add that, as Maunus explained above, all the racial classifications from the scientific racism era, including "Armenoid", are now obsolete and considered as pseudoscience. I notice the article has not really mentioned any of this. I'm afraid, if the content is this bad, the article needs tags. 52.185.152.203 ( talk) 19:08, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
Wow you certainly seem to be a fan of Marks. I'm reading a paper by Ann Morning here and it contains a very disturbing fabrication. Apparently Blumenbach and the like were "called in" by racists to make a biological classification in order to justify political policies. This is baloney. In addition Blumenbach noted that races blend into each other and were not "discrete types" with "hard boundaries" or "homogeneous within". It doesn't really matter how many sources parrot the same strawman if one can simply look at the original and see that it's a fabricated representation of what "racist" scientists thought. Notably absent in these American Anthropology works are any quotes demonstrating that anyone held their strawman view. John Burgundy ( talk) 12:29, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2018/04/race-genetics-science-africa/ RPSM ( talk) 05:40, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
It's been used to define and separate people for millennia. But the concept of race is not grounded in genetics. RPSM ( talk) 05:54, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
Added content RPSM ( talk) 05:54, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
"There's no scientific basis for race..." is the heading of Elizabeth Kolbert's National Geographicarticle. RPSM ( talk) 07:28, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thesundayedition/the-sunday-edition-september-17-2017-1.4291332/there-is-no-such-thing-as-the-white-race-or-any-other-race-says-historian-1.4291372 RPSM ( talk) 12:57, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2017/science-genetics-reshaping-race-debate-21st-century/ RPSM ( talk) 13:19, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/opinion/sunday/genetics-race.html RPSM ( talk) 23:18, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
http://www.dismantlingracism.org/racism-defined.html RPSM ( talk) 01:04, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
[8] RPSM ( talk) 01:31, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
The very large amount of variation within groups dwarfs the small differences between groups, therefore race in humans does not have a biological meaning.
Read more: RPSM ( talk) 18:07, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
https://www.wired.com/2010/03/genome-at-10/ [ https://www.wired.com/2010/03/genome-at-10/10 Years on, The Genome Revolution Is Only Just Beginning RPSM ( talk) 02:37, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
[9] RPSM ( talk) 13:27, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
AAA Statement on Race RPSM ( talk) 01:47, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
[10] RPSM ( talk) 03:49, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
This page is a mess, filled with completely unrelated things, it needs to be taken care of by someone who is actually interested in Anthropology, there's already a page for "Scientific racism", there's no need to pollute the whole page by POV pushing, see: [ point of view]
I created 'Criticism' for users to discuss about "Scientific racism", this way it's way more readable. Խալդի ( talk) 21:25, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
See: /info/en/?search=Category:Historical_definitions_of_race
See the pages in this category, no other page is polluted with "Scientific racism", what makes this page different than those?
If you really want to mention "Scientific racism", you can do it under 'Criticism' section. Խալդի ( talk) 21:38, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
Polluted with "Scientific racism"? I half-wonder what you mean by that. We do not validate WP:FRINGE theories, and misrepresenting this as having modern acceptance would make this a fringe theory.
The term "Armenoid" was originally described by an Austrian anthropologist, Felix von Luschan during his travellings in Lycia. [1]
"Nazi and racial theorists" didn't invent the term "Armenoid", in fact they used "Near Eastern" to describe the Armenoid type, why the 'Origin' and section 'Nazi racial theories' sections are combined into one part?
References
It's not an original research Խալդի ( talk) 10:29, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
@
Grayfell:
Diff:
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Armenoid_race&diff=959939643&oldid=959938248
Luschan literally mentions in his book that he introduced the term, in his paper.
Luschan, Felix Von (1911).
The Early Inhabitants of Western Asia. Royal Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland. p. 242. When I first upheld in 1892, in my paper on the anthropological position of the Jews, the homogeneous character of these groups, I called them "Armenoids." But there can be no doubt that they are all descended from tribes belonging to the great Hittite Empire
Here, I provided reliable source, by Carleton Stevens Coon, about Physiognomy of Armenoid race, based on observation of Armenian examples.
Coon, Carleton Stevens (1939).
The Races of Europe. The Macmillan Company. pp. 627–628.
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978-0837163284. [...]Dark brown eyes are most numerous in the west, where they form 36 per cent of the whole, and rare in the Lake Van region, where they form 1 3 per cent. Mixed and light eyes, mostly green-brown, but including 2 per cent of pure blue, total 34 per cent in Van, and but 11 per cent in Kaisarie. [...]The Armenians are as a rule thin-lipped, with medium to great chin prominence, a palpable bilateral cleft in the chin, and flaring gonial angles.
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Խալդի (
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09:59, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
It is about Armenians, not Armenoid. These two terms are not interchangeable, nor synonymous. Your other additions are totally falsified and for some reason, you try to make seem "Armenoid" as blond-blue eyed and fringe racial theories as valid scientific researches. And what is the worse, you do it through source falsifications and edit-warring. 176.41.91.255 ( talk) 22:29, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
Does the passage pertaining to nazi racial theories even belong here? What Nazi racialists were describing was not the Armenoid race (as per Coon, Luschan, etc.) but a variety of features that were common to Armenoids, Arabids, etc. and which were most prevalent in the Middle East.
The content of th4e Gunther reference points to scientific racism rather than physical anthropology (which is heavily dependent on metrics and origins).
Typo56 ( talk) 09:58, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
I have fixed some clear source falsifications by user Խալդի. Editors watching this page should double check the references and the contents added by this user. 176.41.91.255 ( talk) 20:08, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
Fyi Doug Weller, Austronesier, Grayfell . 176.41.91.255 ( talk) 20:19, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
Especially in terms of references to ethnicities, countries, and regions in the cited literature. If a statement in the article cannot be easily deduced by simply reading the cited literature than it does not belong here. Typo56 ( talk) 09:47, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
Do we really need mugshot illustrations here when then the entire concept that lies behind the topic is pseudoscientific? Including these pictures here comes close to giving the concept some sort of credibility. Austronesier ( talk) 16:23, 7 February 2023 (UTC)