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My edit (
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Ariana&oldid=891695410) was reverted by someone saying "random" websites are unreliable. But those sources I provided were not just random, they are pretty well documented. Also by reverting this, there is the interpretational bias, as there is no longer a mention of 'Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan' in the lead paragraph. By omitting these (which are mentioned in the given source), it creates a clear bias and that is not fair.
In the second revert, this person claims that it's "unnecessary" to mention
Ariana Afghan Airlines and contemporary usage of the term. I can't see how this is unnecessary, as it demonstrates the legacy of this ancient topic in today's world. I'm sure a normal wikipedia article like this would have a dedicated Legacy section showing info similar to this. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Ιανήιανή (
talk •
contribs) 16:01, 9 April 2019 (UTC)reply
The opening is very misleading as it does not describe ariana but a short period of Achaemenid Empire. The civilization like bactrian should be mentioned in the opening. — Preceding
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2001:4643:C8EC:0:A411:175C:6F98:951A (
talk) 21:43, 9 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Please make some changes or discuss it in here.
I think that was intended as a dispute of this article being the
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for
Ariana (disambiguation). I have no opinion, but this seems wiorthy of discussion here.
Wtmitchell(talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 14:10, 10 April 2020 (UTC)reply
I think the best would be no mention of Achaemenid Empire in the opening section, (it is already mentioned in detail among other empires down below.) As it indicates (wrongly) that ariana was "always" an eastern province of persian empire which is technically wrong. Hope the positive changes are made.
Again, I'm just guessing here, but I take the thrust of this to be suggesting that
Ariana (name) might be a better
WP:CRITERIA choice in
WP:DETERMINEPRIMARY than what the initial sentence of this article introduces as: Ariana the
Latinized form of the
Ancient GreekἈρ(ε)ιανήAr(e)ianē (inhabitants: Ariani; Ἀρ(ε)ιανοίAr(e)ianoi),[1] was a general
geographical term used by some
Greek and
Roman authors of the
ancient period for a district of wide extent between
Central Asia[2] and the
Indus River,[3] comprising the eastern provinces of the
Achaemenid Empire[4] that covered the whole of modern-day
Afghanistan, as well as the easternmost part of
Iran and up to the Indus River in
Pakistan (former Northern India).[5][6]But I'm not making an argument either way.
Wtmitchell(talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 16:58, 10 April 2020 (UTC)reply
"Ariana, the Latinized form of the Ancient Greek Ἀρ(ε)ιανή Ar(e)ianē (inhabitants: Ariani; Ἀρ(ε)ιανοί Ar(e)ianoi), was a general geographical term used by some Greek and Roman authors of the ancient period for a district of wide extent between Central Asia and the Indus River, comprising the eastern provinces of the Achaemenid Empire that covered the whole of modern-day Afghanistan, as well as the easternmost part of Iran and up to the Indus River in Pakistan (former Northern India)."
You will need to assess whether those "Greek and Roman authors" used the Achaemenid Empire as a frame of reference when referring to Ariana. --
Kansas Bear (
talk) 01:58, 14 May 2020 (UTC)reply
^Sagar, Krishna Chandra (1 January 1992). Foreign Influence on Ancient India. Northern Book Centre. p. 91.
ISBN9788172110284. According to Strabo (c. 54 B.C., A.D. 24), who refers to the authority of Apollodorus of Artemia, the Greeks of Bactria became masters of Ariana, a vague term roughly indicating the eastern districts of the Persian empire, and of India.
I think these two sources and a famous book will help.
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My edit (
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Ariana&oldid=891695410) was reverted by someone saying "random" websites are unreliable. But those sources I provided were not just random, they are pretty well documented. Also by reverting this, there is the interpretational bias, as there is no longer a mention of 'Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan' in the lead paragraph. By omitting these (which are mentioned in the given source), it creates a clear bias and that is not fair.
In the second revert, this person claims that it's "unnecessary" to mention
Ariana Afghan Airlines and contemporary usage of the term. I can't see how this is unnecessary, as it demonstrates the legacy of this ancient topic in today's world. I'm sure a normal wikipedia article like this would have a dedicated Legacy section showing info similar to this. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Ιανήιανή (
talk •
contribs) 16:01, 9 April 2019 (UTC)reply
The opening is very misleading as it does not describe ariana but a short period of Achaemenid Empire. The civilization like bactrian should be mentioned in the opening. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
2001:4643:C8EC:0:A411:175C:6F98:951A (
talk) 21:43, 9 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Please make some changes or discuss it in here.
I think that was intended as a dispute of this article being the
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for
Ariana (disambiguation). I have no opinion, but this seems wiorthy of discussion here.
Wtmitchell(talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 14:10, 10 April 2020 (UTC)reply
I think the best would be no mention of Achaemenid Empire in the opening section, (it is already mentioned in detail among other empires down below.) As it indicates (wrongly) that ariana was "always" an eastern province of persian empire which is technically wrong. Hope the positive changes are made.
Again, I'm just guessing here, but I take the thrust of this to be suggesting that
Ariana (name) might be a better
WP:CRITERIA choice in
WP:DETERMINEPRIMARY than what the initial sentence of this article introduces as: Ariana the
Latinized form of the
Ancient GreekἈρ(ε)ιανήAr(e)ianē (inhabitants: Ariani; Ἀρ(ε)ιανοίAr(e)ianoi),[1] was a general
geographical term used by some
Greek and
Roman authors of the
ancient period for a district of wide extent between
Central Asia[2] and the
Indus River,[3] comprising the eastern provinces of the
Achaemenid Empire[4] that covered the whole of modern-day
Afghanistan, as well as the easternmost part of
Iran and up to the Indus River in
Pakistan (former Northern India).[5][6]But I'm not making an argument either way.
Wtmitchell(talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 16:58, 10 April 2020 (UTC)reply
"Ariana, the Latinized form of the Ancient Greek Ἀρ(ε)ιανή Ar(e)ianē (inhabitants: Ariani; Ἀρ(ε)ιανοί Ar(e)ianoi), was a general geographical term used by some Greek and Roman authors of the ancient period for a district of wide extent between Central Asia and the Indus River, comprising the eastern provinces of the Achaemenid Empire that covered the whole of modern-day Afghanistan, as well as the easternmost part of Iran and up to the Indus River in Pakistan (former Northern India)."
You will need to assess whether those "Greek and Roman authors" used the Achaemenid Empire as a frame of reference when referring to Ariana. --
Kansas Bear (
talk) 01:58, 14 May 2020 (UTC)reply
^Sagar, Krishna Chandra (1 January 1992). Foreign Influence on Ancient India. Northern Book Centre. p. 91.
ISBN9788172110284. According to Strabo (c. 54 B.C., A.D. 24), who refers to the authority of Apollodorus of Artemia, the Greeks of Bactria became masters of Ariana, a vague term roughly indicating the eastern districts of the Persian empire, and of India.
I think these two sources and a famous book will help.