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Heimerdinger should be listed as a main character in the show's cast, rather than a recurring character. I would argue that he is relatively important to the story and makes enough appearances that he should be considered a main character. Does anyone have any objections to this? ―
Tunakanski
VeniVidiVici
15:06, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
The intro describes this as "Adult animation" but it is rated TV-14. It is not for children like Disney content but nonetheless it seems misleading to call it "Adult animation". (This is not Heavy Metal (film) or Fritz the Cat (film).)
This is supposed to be an encyclopedia and is supposed to take a neutral point of view. Have editors done this deliberately or at least based on reliable sources? Or was it done unintentionally due to the cultural bias that animation is for children and that everything else is "adult"? -- 109.79.175.164 ( talk) 12:51, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
JokEobard put it back in after I removed it a while ago, without explanation. Could you chime in and explain your thought process Jok? Simon.marty0 ( talk) 20:12, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
MOS:TVGENRE and Template:Infobox_television say genres must be reliably sourced. Let's look at some sources: RT, adventure [1]; MC, Animation, Drama, Action & Adventure, Fantasy [2]; IMDB Animation, Action, Adventure [3]. There may be some sources that call Arcane adult animation but there does not seem to be any good reason to put undue WP:WEIGHT on those instead of emphasizing genres such as Action Adventure that more sources agree on. -- 109.77.194.130 ( talk) 12:45, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
It is adult animated straight from Netflix: https://www.netflix.com/browse/genre/11881 Taynix ( talk) 04:26, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
While the main story is about the relationship between Vi and Jinx, there are substantial sub-arcs in the story, chief among them (according to many) is the relationship between Vi & Caitlyn (partners-friends- probable girlfriends). This also plays a significant role in the break-down of Jinx's mental health (the "confirmation" that Vi has abandoned her for Caitlyn, episode 6, 7, 9). This is all the more remarkable as one of the talking points according to the writers is exactly this. The relationship is strongly hinted to by the writers of the show, and in game lore. 158.174.226.96 ( talk) 05:28, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
I don't think it is standard practice to list dozens of co-producers and editors in the infobox. Surely it can be trimmed to just the key people. Also, worth noting that none of the listed names are sourced. IrishStephen ( talk) 13:58, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
@ Alex 21:; I changed the episode template colours to something emblematic of the show, what is the rationale for your reversion? ( Hohum @) 02:23, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
[o]nce established, colors that meet that guideline should not be changed arbitrarily without discussion.I am simply following WP:TV and WP:COLOR guidelines. -- Alex_21 TALK 00:41, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Is there any news on whether or not Arcane is going to be eventually released on Blu-Ray/DVD?
( Tyrian Watts ( talk) 00:03, 17 August 2022 (UTC))
There is a laundry list of praise in the lead section and at least some of it seems WP:UNDUE and WP:SYNTH. So I tagged it as citation needed. [7] It is clear that the visuals (animation) of the show were praised and that generalization at least is entirely fair. It is less clear that the other items on the laundry list of praise can generalized and highlighted in the lead section for praise. For example the lead claims that the music was praised but the Critical response section doesn't mention music even once, nevermind mentioning it enough times for it to seem like a fair generalization. The IGN review certainly praised many aspects of the show but one reviewer praising all those different elements does not justify presenting it in the lead section as a generalization of what the reviewers were saying as a whole. I suggest trimming down the list of praise in the lead section or expanding the Critical response section to show more clearly that these generalizations are actually valid. -- 109.76.196.149 ( talk) 15:00, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
The article states that season 2 will release in Q4 2024, the problem is that in Chinese, "winter 2024" more commonly means the beginning of 2024, aka january, february and march.
the source tweet assumed the english meaning of winter 2024 without regard to the chinese meaning. Adiliv3007 ( talk) 11:55, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
I saw it belongs to LGBT-related category. Is it official Vi and Caitlyn is couple? Music Video 123 ( talk) 17:37, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
There was clearly a CN tag, Hohum, until you removed it, and if one reads the article one will see that in addition to the unsourced info, there is also WP:SYNTH with WP:QUESTIONABLE and WP:WEGOTTHISCOVERED as references. ภץאคгöร 17:39, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
"widespread acclaim [which is WP:SYNTH and a loaded exceptional claim that must be attributed to multiple high-quality sources], with praise directed at its animation, story, worldbuilding, action sequences, characters, emotional weight, sound, and voice acting."+ There is WP:QUESTIONABLE and WP:WEGOTTHISCOVERED. ภץאคгöร 17:49, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
"exceptional awards"doesn't mean widespread critical acclaim. Do not take ownership of subjects that you clearly do not know. ภץאคгöร 12:21, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
A quick Google search seems to show that the "widespread acclaim" statement is supported by sources and more accurate and useful for a general reader than "positive reviews". Here's perhaps an example of a better source. Pyrrho the Skipper ( talk) 19:20, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
"The IGN review certainly praised many aspects of the show but one reviewer praising all those different elements does not justify presenting it in the lead section as a generalization of what the reviewers were saying as a whole. I suggest trimming down the list of praise in the lead section or expanding the Critical response section to show more clearly that these generalizations are actually valid."And there is still a persistence in using unreliable sources. ภץאคгöร 19:35, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
An editor has repeatedly removed the previously stable text of the lead. It is supported by sourced article text and the awards the series has been nominated for and awarded. I invite the editor to take part in meaningful discussion here with others so that we can gauge consensus. (
Hohum
@)
17:40, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
the sky-high user reviews have not budged and inch since the series was release, and Netflix has rarely seen anything this universally beloved by viewers.
Arcane is still boasting a perfect 100% score among critics, but even more impressively, a 98% score from audiences, which has remained consistently for two weeks, and higher than any other major Netflix series you can find.
This show wasn't "universally acclaimed". It doesn't even have enough reviews to merit a Metacritic score. It's a niche show, but fans like it. Say that. If it weren't, it would be getting more than two seasons from Netflix. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8001:9D00:4066:ECF2:9B02:687C:B7DC ( talk) 22:02, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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Heimerdinger should be listed as a main character in the show's cast, rather than a recurring character. I would argue that he is relatively important to the story and makes enough appearances that he should be considered a main character. Does anyone have any objections to this? ―
Tunakanski
VeniVidiVici
15:06, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
The intro describes this as "Adult animation" but it is rated TV-14. It is not for children like Disney content but nonetheless it seems misleading to call it "Adult animation". (This is not Heavy Metal (film) or Fritz the Cat (film).)
This is supposed to be an encyclopedia and is supposed to take a neutral point of view. Have editors done this deliberately or at least based on reliable sources? Or was it done unintentionally due to the cultural bias that animation is for children and that everything else is "adult"? -- 109.79.175.164 ( talk) 12:51, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
JokEobard put it back in after I removed it a while ago, without explanation. Could you chime in and explain your thought process Jok? Simon.marty0 ( talk) 20:12, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
MOS:TVGENRE and Template:Infobox_television say genres must be reliably sourced. Let's look at some sources: RT, adventure [1]; MC, Animation, Drama, Action & Adventure, Fantasy [2]; IMDB Animation, Action, Adventure [3]. There may be some sources that call Arcane adult animation but there does not seem to be any good reason to put undue WP:WEIGHT on those instead of emphasizing genres such as Action Adventure that more sources agree on. -- 109.77.194.130 ( talk) 12:45, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
It is adult animated straight from Netflix: https://www.netflix.com/browse/genre/11881 Taynix ( talk) 04:26, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
While the main story is about the relationship between Vi and Jinx, there are substantial sub-arcs in the story, chief among them (according to many) is the relationship between Vi & Caitlyn (partners-friends- probable girlfriends). This also plays a significant role in the break-down of Jinx's mental health (the "confirmation" that Vi has abandoned her for Caitlyn, episode 6, 7, 9). This is all the more remarkable as one of the talking points according to the writers is exactly this. The relationship is strongly hinted to by the writers of the show, and in game lore. 158.174.226.96 ( talk) 05:28, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
I don't think it is standard practice to list dozens of co-producers and editors in the infobox. Surely it can be trimmed to just the key people. Also, worth noting that none of the listed names are sourced. IrishStephen ( talk) 13:58, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
@ Alex 21:; I changed the episode template colours to something emblematic of the show, what is the rationale for your reversion? ( Hohum @) 02:23, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
[o]nce established, colors that meet that guideline should not be changed arbitrarily without discussion.I am simply following WP:TV and WP:COLOR guidelines. -- Alex_21 TALK 00:41, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Is there any news on whether or not Arcane is going to be eventually released on Blu-Ray/DVD?
( Tyrian Watts ( talk) 00:03, 17 August 2022 (UTC))
There is a laundry list of praise in the lead section and at least some of it seems WP:UNDUE and WP:SYNTH. So I tagged it as citation needed. [7] It is clear that the visuals (animation) of the show were praised and that generalization at least is entirely fair. It is less clear that the other items on the laundry list of praise can generalized and highlighted in the lead section for praise. For example the lead claims that the music was praised but the Critical response section doesn't mention music even once, nevermind mentioning it enough times for it to seem like a fair generalization. The IGN review certainly praised many aspects of the show but one reviewer praising all those different elements does not justify presenting it in the lead section as a generalization of what the reviewers were saying as a whole. I suggest trimming down the list of praise in the lead section or expanding the Critical response section to show more clearly that these generalizations are actually valid. -- 109.76.196.149 ( talk) 15:00, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
The article states that season 2 will release in Q4 2024, the problem is that in Chinese, "winter 2024" more commonly means the beginning of 2024, aka january, february and march.
the source tweet assumed the english meaning of winter 2024 without regard to the chinese meaning. Adiliv3007 ( talk) 11:55, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
I saw it belongs to LGBT-related category. Is it official Vi and Caitlyn is couple? Music Video 123 ( talk) 17:37, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
There was clearly a CN tag, Hohum, until you removed it, and if one reads the article one will see that in addition to the unsourced info, there is also WP:SYNTH with WP:QUESTIONABLE and WP:WEGOTTHISCOVERED as references. ภץאคгöร 17:39, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
"widespread acclaim [which is WP:SYNTH and a loaded exceptional claim that must be attributed to multiple high-quality sources], with praise directed at its animation, story, worldbuilding, action sequences, characters, emotional weight, sound, and voice acting."+ There is WP:QUESTIONABLE and WP:WEGOTTHISCOVERED. ภץאคгöร 17:49, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
"exceptional awards"doesn't mean widespread critical acclaim. Do not take ownership of subjects that you clearly do not know. ภץאคгöร 12:21, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
A quick Google search seems to show that the "widespread acclaim" statement is supported by sources and more accurate and useful for a general reader than "positive reviews". Here's perhaps an example of a better source. Pyrrho the Skipper ( talk) 19:20, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
"The IGN review certainly praised many aspects of the show but one reviewer praising all those different elements does not justify presenting it in the lead section as a generalization of what the reviewers were saying as a whole. I suggest trimming down the list of praise in the lead section or expanding the Critical response section to show more clearly that these generalizations are actually valid."And there is still a persistence in using unreliable sources. ภץאคгöร 19:35, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
An editor has repeatedly removed the previously stable text of the lead. It is supported by sourced article text and the awards the series has been nominated for and awarded. I invite the editor to take part in meaningful discussion here with others so that we can gauge consensus. (
Hohum
@)
17:40, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
the sky-high user reviews have not budged and inch since the series was release, and Netflix has rarely seen anything this universally beloved by viewers.
Arcane is still boasting a perfect 100% score among critics, but even more impressively, a 98% score from audiences, which has remained consistently for two weeks, and higher than any other major Netflix series you can find.
This show wasn't "universally acclaimed". It doesn't even have enough reviews to merit a Metacritic score. It's a niche show, but fans like it. Say that. If it weren't, it would be getting more than two seasons from Netflix. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8001:9D00:4066:ECF2:9B02:687C:B7DC ( talk) 22:02, 17 July 2024 (UTC)