The entry for the Apple II family incorrectly states that the Apple II Plus "...used newer chips that reduced the overall component count. It also included the Applesoft BASIC programming language..."
In fact, the Apple II Plus was the current Apple II main board with the Applesoft ROMs installed.
It was not until the Apple //e that functions on the main board were combined into a small number of LSI parts.
-Michael Mahon (mjmahon@aol.com) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.163.252.130 ( talk • contribs) 17:16, 21 September 2003
Uh, in the main article, shouldn't some or all of the references be Apple ][ (close-square-bracket, open-square-bracket), not Apple II (uppercase I, uppercase I?) It is possible that the very latest models such as the IIgs may have used the letter I, but certainly the earlier ones used the idiosyncratic two-bracket designation (just the the Apple /// used three slashes). Dpbsmith 23:22, 27 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I added a short paragraph in the intro about this. It seems to have been a gimmick to use names that looked "modern" by use of punctuation characters, which at the time looked "computerish", so a number of renditions were used. The IIe I remember using was written ][e, and the IIc was written //c. -- Delirium 11:26, Feb 22, 2004 (UTC)
The IIgs was also released in a 'Woz' limited edition early in its history (my family had one) but I don't remember if the system was different than the regular release in any way. Korvac 21:08, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
The title "Apple II family (8-bit)" isn't quite right since we are including the GS (and rightfully so)! Yes the GS only had an 8 bit Data bus, but the processor was 16 bit. I vote to remove the "(8-bit)" designation in the title, but wanted to get some thoughts. -- PZ 06:41, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
When I was going to the College of San Mateo (CA, USA) I worked at a local computer store, Allied Computers. Chet Harris, the store owner, was trying to set up a chain like the Byte Shops and Computer Land.
One of our customers at Allied Computer was Bill Kelly. He was working for Regis McKenna Advertising on the Apple II introduction. He has a web page that talks about the early days at Apple Computer. He had worked on the Intel account and had a Intel SDK-80 evaluation board that he gave me in exchange for a power supply for his prototype Apple II board. (I still have that SDK-80 board with tiny BASIC.)
We sold Apple II main boards before the plastic case was ready. The boards were available around April 1977. Apple had difficulty with the plastic case. The early prototype (and production} units did not have the vent slots on the case.
Allied Computer was a distributor for Apple and Chet had tried to interest Mike Markala in investing in his enterprise but Mr. Markala was going with Apple. He got Mike Markala to come to his store to demo the Apple II computers. I sat at a table with him for several hours demonstrating the Apple II.
One Saturday Chet came in with the first two Apple II computers built, Serial number 1 and 2. (I think this was in June 1977.) Chet Harris had gone to the Apple factory in Cupertino to pick them up. He sold #1 to a friend of his and I took #2 home with me. I hooked it up to our color TV and loaded various games. I showed the system to friends for a week or so until the power supply died. It went back to Apple and I never saw that unit again.
In October 2005 I told this story to Bruce Damer and he knew where serial number 2 ended up. Bruce visited Jef Raskin (formerly with Apple Computer) in January 2005 and got to see Jef's Apple 1 and Apple II serial number 2.
June 5, 1977 is a Saturday Sunday. Where is the source for this date?
Michael Holley Apple II, Serial Number 2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swtpc6800 ( talk • contribs) 03:23, 21 January 2006
The Wired article on the introduction of the Apple II on June 5, 1977 is wrong. It gives its source as apple2history.org but that site states it was Friday June 10, 1977 not Sunday June 5. The Computer History Museum also gives the June 10, 1977 date. I updated the page, here is the old reference
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I've done a good bit of editing on this over the past little while -- the Apple II is a much-loved part of my past, and the first (and only) computer I've ever known inside and out. Most of the changes comes from personal experience and knowledge. Of course, I have also polished up the prose a fair bit (I write for a living and was the editor of II Alive back in the day). Hope these changes are satisfactory. -- Jerry Kindall 04:56, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
There's no mention of the Europlus Apple II on this article, anyone like to add one? — Wackymacs 08:19, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
"Apple II family" sounds like the The Addams Family or Henry VIII family. What is the rational? At first reading, I am of the opinion to move the article to "Apple II series". -- Charles Gaudette 15:25, 12 August 2006 (UTC) PS. One thing to moving the article is the large number of articles and pages that link to this article. A redirect will handle most, but you never know until you look at each page. I still think it should be done, but let's factor this into any move. -- Charles Gaudette 16:00, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
I see that Image:Apple II Plus.jpg is up for deletion. I have a complete Apple II Plus computer (with joysticks and Hayes micromodem too). If we cannot find a image already in Commons, then I'll clean it up and photograph it. Please do place something else if it is available. I am not sure when this might get done by me — priorities, priorities, … -- Charles Gaudette 21:30, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
I think the "External Links" section needs to be cleaned-up - how many of those website links are actually necessary? We should just leave important links and take out redundant ones, if two or more links serve the same purpose (perhaps they describe the History, Functionality, etc... of the Apple II.) Does anyone feel that way too? –- kungming·2 | (Talk· Contact) 18:51, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
I added some links, and I removed others. Overall, I tried to follow the Wikipedia External links guidelines:
The links that I added are to sites that have much more additional information on the Apple II beyond the Wikipedia page. Many existing sites on this Wikipedia page, such as A2Central.com, also link to other Apple II sites not shown on this Wikipedia page, thus acting as a hub. 139.67.20.88 ( talk) 21:42, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
The article is looking pretty long right now, but I think the Apple II is worth the long page. What about adding a short development history section? A few sources I've found: http://apple2history.org/history/ah03.html (multiple pages) http://folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Apple_II_Mouse_Card.txt&topic=Apple%20II&sortOrder=Sort%20by%20Date&detail=medium (an interesting bit about the Apple II mouse card) Although there isn't nearly as many interesting and zany stories as the Macintosh development (with crazy Steve Jobs) there are some interesting tidbits. What does everyone else think?
I think the section header Life after death should be reworded to something else - the Apple II isn't really dead. Any ideas - I can't think of any right now. –- kungming· 2 | (Talk· Contact) 23:26, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm conducting a survey about the Apple II -- any former users are invited to participate!
Come to User:Applephreak/survey
Applephreak 18:51, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
The article claims that some Apple IIs are still in use in classrooms. I'm in no position to proof this, but question whether they are been 'used', or are used as artefacts for teaching history? Markb 09:27, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
The UCSD P-system had a curious approach to memory management, which became even more curious on the Apple III.
Does anyone know what this quote refers to? There should probably be a link to something.
63.236.253.100 19:34, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
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SWTPC6800
04:00, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi, everyone !
The Unitron mentioned directs to a link of another company (another Unitron, not the Brazilian one).
My edit summary was to state that it has not passed the GA process, meaning that it cannot possibly have a legitimate A class ranking, as A class > GA class. - A Link to the Past (talk) 21:53, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
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I need a copy of the instructons for the apple game NOrth Atlantic 86 to print, Where can I find or do you have a copy I can print please contact me @ sd1701e@aol.com. Thanks Steve —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.109.99.180 ( talk) 20:53, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Not intending to Apple-bash here, but some of the claims near the top of the article were heavy on the "revolutionary" rhetoric and loose on the facts. Claims as the first personal computer and first mass market don't match up with the actual history folks. There's lots that was great about the Apple II in the real facts without creating debatable embellishments. Rogdor ( talk) 13:53, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Just some thoughts on the new navigation bar (box section at bottom of page) that's been added to each Apple II article. I find it a bit confusing and rather unnecessary. You have 3 boxes but there are *6* categories listed within them--all I really noticed is the header at the top of each box, and assumed everything inside the box was part of that category. Few people are going to notice the labels below glancing through the articles.
And when you consider there were only six Apple II models released, why is it necessary to have a navigation bar to sort through them? (might be useful for the Macintosh, where there are probably over a hundred models in existence, not the Apple II). You should also keep in mind very few of the models had replacements or successors. For example, the Apple IIGS did not replace any Apple II model (the IIc and IIe still stuck around for years after) and nothing else came after it to succeed it. Ditto for the Apple IIe and Apple IIc Plus, nothing officially replaced them. This bar also auto-hides the list of Apple hardware from before 1988, which clearly shows this:
Apple I · Apple II family (II, II Plus, II Europlus, II J-Plus, IIe, IIc, IIGS, IIc Plus) · Apple III family (Apple III, III Plus)
That's the whole Apple II family, in chronological order. I can just click on the name to jump from model to model. In any case, it's a nice idea but it doesn't work (I tried tweaking it, but then realized it may get even more confusing). Thought I'd discuss it here first... Apple2gs ( talk) 05:23, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
The introduction to the Apple II article stated that it was the first and most successful home computer. That is false; it was preceded by the original Apple I (see the related article) and along with the Apple II, the first Radio Shack TRS-80 computer (Model I) and Commodore PET were all introduced in 1977. They were referred to as the "1977 Trinity". The following year Atari entered the market with their 400 and 800 series PC's.
I changed the wording accordingly to reflect these facts.
Richard Rodriguez, West Covina, California, USA 198.188.168.84 ( talk) 22:58, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Why is the Bell & Howell model relegated to the equivalent of a minor footnote in the Clone section? It should be included in the II Plus section at a minimum, if not its own, but certainly not in the currently confusing placement in the Clone section. Honestly, how many times in Apple's history did they manufacture a product for anyone else, much less license their technology (or produce a computer in black for that matter)?-- Mac128 ( talk) 16:42, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
What is the most common abbreviation for "Apple II"? Thanks. SharkD ( talk) 00:52, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
"The 1 K 80-column card also enabled one new graphics mode, Double Lo-Res (80×48 pixels)."
I question this. The double density graphics modes require bridging a pair of pins on the aux slot (connecting annunciator 3 to the input disables the suppression of 80-column mode for graphics lines). The later stock 64k cards bridged these connections; the earlier stock 64k cards had a jumper for it; the stock 1k card (iirc) did not offer it at all (nor did the earliest IIe boards even support the double density graphics modes). It certainly would be possible to run a jumper wire to enable it (on a revision B or later board, of course); but if anyone ever bothered, it was just for the fun of it. (Software that used double-lo-res-mode was vanishingly rare.)
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After finishing this article I knew a lot more about the minutiae of Wozniak's innovations than what the Apple II actually did. What precisely made it so well-liked in education? What kind of users didn't mind the lack of a mouse and GUI until late in the 80s? What kind of users preferred it to the Macintosh or Windows-based machines? What could it run/do that those machines couldn't? What programs existed for it and not other machines? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.103.205.155 ( talk) 03:51, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Apple Writer word processing software, on Apple IIe computers, was used by my high school for the purpose of writing, transcribing, and editing school newspaper articles. --
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Using the free cycles to do video transfer does not really even begin to qualify as a "clever engineering trick", but is rather the obvious thing to do. Commodore 64 does the same. Also, Apple sucks! -- 93.106.7.207 ( talk) 14:06, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
"Its popularity bootstrapped the entire computer game and educational software markets and began the boom in the word processor and computer printer markets."
This is just one of the many subjective questionable statements in this article. There are too many to list.
I am not anti-Apple, but there WERE a FEW other computer companies around during this thing's lifespan - Atari, Commodore, Texas Instruments, Tandy, etc, etc.
You are allotting WAY TOO MUCH credit to one computer (through a fan's eyes), when in actuality all of these computer companies converged in time and all helped shape the modern computer through trial and error.
Please consider that a child doing a report on early home computers would read your article and proclaim in his research that "Its popularity bootstrapped the ENTIRE computer game and educational software markets...". Is that REALLY true?
This thing needs a serious fair-minded read-through.
The article writes:"The original retail price of the computer was US$1298[9] (with 4 kB of RAM) and US$2638 (with the maximum 48 kB of RAM)". On the site [ Inflation] tells that between 1978 and 2008, the inflation in the United States was 326%. Then, in today's dollars, US$1298 x 3.26 = US$4231.98 ~ US$4232. Today we can by a computerwith 1,000 more potency for four times less money. Progress was astoining in home computers! Agre22 ( talk) 23:09, 22 November 2009 (UTC)agre22
error in 2nd paragraph of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_II_series#Clones ?
I found this conflicting page:
http://a2clones.com/apple_clones_1/basis_108/
"Basis 108 is a shining example of German "over" engineering. The case, for example, is made of heavy cast aluminum, and while other companies sought only to mimic the look and feel of the Apple II, Basis decided to build something altogether better."
Many photos suggest author should recognize aluminum, though photos may be from only literature, not from the page author's personal handling of the PC.
found via
http://images.google.com/images?q=cast+%7C+aluminum+%7C+iron+%22Basis+108%22+apple+%7C+clone 2z2z ( talk) 18:10, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
Would anyone else agree the photographs in this article, representing the Apple II (which historically speaking, is the literal grandfather of the personal computer industry and plays a huge role) are, well, anywhere from mediocre to just poor? It's not that the machines are unattractive, the photographs are. These are the ones I have issue with...
I apologize if I'm being a little to critical and nitpicking here (especially if any of the photos I'm criticizing were taken by a Wikipedia user), I just think the Apple II has a lot of historical importance and it should be well represented and displayed in Wikipedia. Would anyone object if I replaced any of these photos? Either I could scan promotional material from Apple Computer (I have dozens of original pamphlets and brochures) or I can take new photographs. I do have every model of the Apple II family in my personal collection. As an example, I could photograph my 1978 Apple II, with a Disk II drive and 9" monochrome screen (one of the vintage boxy looking displays you'd see in the 70's).--
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The result of the move request was: page not moved: no concensus after 35 days. Anthony Appleyard ( talk) 11:50, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
Apple II series → Apple II — No real need for "series" or "family" here; the common name suffices to identify the subject, as with ZX Spectrum and others. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 00:52, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
I removed the redirect and stubbed an article on the eponymous model in the series. -- Nczempin ( talk) 18:11, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
How was colour implemented in PAL (or SECAM) areas? Seeing as on the NTSC original was based on an essentially monochrome computer abusing the standard's AM-based colour system, did it therefore, like the CGA PCs, require use of a dedicated NTSC-standard composite video monitor rather than a TV with an RF or composite input? Or were some additional chips/software tricks implemented to generate colour images under these TV systems with colour encoding systems distinctly different from both NTSC and each other? (I don't see anything about it in the article, at least not whilst skimming it) 31.185.217.37 ( talk) 01:16, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
The article says that II+s all had 16KB language cards, and in the case of everyone I knew, that was true. However, everyone who knew me knew a guy who had a 32KB language card. Now, mine was a clone, and not only did it have to be plugged into slot 0, it had to be plugged into an IC socket on the mobo. Would any such card work on an original? If so, the language will need tweaked. AngusCA ( talk) 04:54, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
The entry for the Apple II family incorrectly states that the Apple II Plus "...used newer chips that reduced the overall component count. It also included the Applesoft BASIC programming language..."
In fact, the Apple II Plus was the current Apple II main board with the Applesoft ROMs installed.
It was not until the Apple //e that functions on the main board were combined into a small number of LSI parts.
-Michael Mahon (mjmahon@aol.com) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.163.252.130 ( talk • contribs) 17:16, 21 September 2003
Uh, in the main article, shouldn't some or all of the references be Apple ][ (close-square-bracket, open-square-bracket), not Apple II (uppercase I, uppercase I?) It is possible that the very latest models such as the IIgs may have used the letter I, but certainly the earlier ones used the idiosyncratic two-bracket designation (just the the Apple /// used three slashes). Dpbsmith 23:22, 27 Jan 2004 (UTC)
I added a short paragraph in the intro about this. It seems to have been a gimmick to use names that looked "modern" by use of punctuation characters, which at the time looked "computerish", so a number of renditions were used. The IIe I remember using was written ][e, and the IIc was written //c. -- Delirium 11:26, Feb 22, 2004 (UTC)
The IIgs was also released in a 'Woz' limited edition early in its history (my family had one) but I don't remember if the system was different than the regular release in any way. Korvac 21:08, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
The title "Apple II family (8-bit)" isn't quite right since we are including the GS (and rightfully so)! Yes the GS only had an 8 bit Data bus, but the processor was 16 bit. I vote to remove the "(8-bit)" designation in the title, but wanted to get some thoughts. -- PZ 06:41, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
When I was going to the College of San Mateo (CA, USA) I worked at a local computer store, Allied Computers. Chet Harris, the store owner, was trying to set up a chain like the Byte Shops and Computer Land.
One of our customers at Allied Computer was Bill Kelly. He was working for Regis McKenna Advertising on the Apple II introduction. He has a web page that talks about the early days at Apple Computer. He had worked on the Intel account and had a Intel SDK-80 evaluation board that he gave me in exchange for a power supply for his prototype Apple II board. (I still have that SDK-80 board with tiny BASIC.)
We sold Apple II main boards before the plastic case was ready. The boards were available around April 1977. Apple had difficulty with the plastic case. The early prototype (and production} units did not have the vent slots on the case.
Allied Computer was a distributor for Apple and Chet had tried to interest Mike Markala in investing in his enterprise but Mr. Markala was going with Apple. He got Mike Markala to come to his store to demo the Apple II computers. I sat at a table with him for several hours demonstrating the Apple II.
One Saturday Chet came in with the first two Apple II computers built, Serial number 1 and 2. (I think this was in June 1977.) Chet Harris had gone to the Apple factory in Cupertino to pick them up. He sold #1 to a friend of his and I took #2 home with me. I hooked it up to our color TV and loaded various games. I showed the system to friends for a week or so until the power supply died. It went back to Apple and I never saw that unit again.
In October 2005 I told this story to Bruce Damer and he knew where serial number 2 ended up. Bruce visited Jef Raskin (formerly with Apple Computer) in January 2005 and got to see Jef's Apple 1 and Apple II serial number 2.
June 5, 1977 is a Saturday Sunday. Where is the source for this date?
Michael Holley Apple II, Serial Number 2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swtpc6800 ( talk • contribs) 03:23, 21 January 2006
The Wired article on the introduction of the Apple II on June 5, 1977 is wrong. It gives its source as apple2history.org but that site states it was Friday June 10, 1977 not Sunday June 5. The Computer History Museum also gives the June 10, 1977 date. I updated the page, here is the old reference
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I've done a good bit of editing on this over the past little while -- the Apple II is a much-loved part of my past, and the first (and only) computer I've ever known inside and out. Most of the changes comes from personal experience and knowledge. Of course, I have also polished up the prose a fair bit (I write for a living and was the editor of II Alive back in the day). Hope these changes are satisfactory. -- Jerry Kindall 04:56, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
There's no mention of the Europlus Apple II on this article, anyone like to add one? — Wackymacs 08:19, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
"Apple II family" sounds like the The Addams Family or Henry VIII family. What is the rational? At first reading, I am of the opinion to move the article to "Apple II series". -- Charles Gaudette 15:25, 12 August 2006 (UTC) PS. One thing to moving the article is the large number of articles and pages that link to this article. A redirect will handle most, but you never know until you look at each page. I still think it should be done, but let's factor this into any move. -- Charles Gaudette 16:00, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
I see that Image:Apple II Plus.jpg is up for deletion. I have a complete Apple II Plus computer (with joysticks and Hayes micromodem too). If we cannot find a image already in Commons, then I'll clean it up and photograph it. Please do place something else if it is available. I am not sure when this might get done by me — priorities, priorities, … -- Charles Gaudette 21:30, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
I think the "External Links" section needs to be cleaned-up - how many of those website links are actually necessary? We should just leave important links and take out redundant ones, if two or more links serve the same purpose (perhaps they describe the History, Functionality, etc... of the Apple II.) Does anyone feel that way too? –- kungming·2 | (Talk· Contact) 18:51, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
I added some links, and I removed others. Overall, I tried to follow the Wikipedia External links guidelines:
The links that I added are to sites that have much more additional information on the Apple II beyond the Wikipedia page. Many existing sites on this Wikipedia page, such as A2Central.com, also link to other Apple II sites not shown on this Wikipedia page, thus acting as a hub. 139.67.20.88 ( talk) 21:42, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
The article is looking pretty long right now, but I think the Apple II is worth the long page. What about adding a short development history section? A few sources I've found: http://apple2history.org/history/ah03.html (multiple pages) http://folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Apple_II_Mouse_Card.txt&topic=Apple%20II&sortOrder=Sort%20by%20Date&detail=medium (an interesting bit about the Apple II mouse card) Although there isn't nearly as many interesting and zany stories as the Macintosh development (with crazy Steve Jobs) there are some interesting tidbits. What does everyone else think?
I think the section header Life after death should be reworded to something else - the Apple II isn't really dead. Any ideas - I can't think of any right now. –- kungming· 2 | (Talk· Contact) 23:26, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm conducting a survey about the Apple II -- any former users are invited to participate!
Come to User:Applephreak/survey
Applephreak 18:51, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
The article claims that some Apple IIs are still in use in classrooms. I'm in no position to proof this, but question whether they are been 'used', or are used as artefacts for teaching history? Markb 09:27, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
The UCSD P-system had a curious approach to memory management, which became even more curious on the Apple III.
Does anyone know what this quote refers to? There should probably be a link to something.
63.236.253.100 19:34, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
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SWTPC6800
04:00, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi, everyone !
The Unitron mentioned directs to a link of another company (another Unitron, not the Brazilian one).
My edit summary was to state that it has not passed the GA process, meaning that it cannot possibly have a legitimate A class ranking, as A class > GA class. - A Link to the Past (talk) 21:53, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
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I need a copy of the instructons for the apple game NOrth Atlantic 86 to print, Where can I find or do you have a copy I can print please contact me @ sd1701e@aol.com. Thanks Steve —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.109.99.180 ( talk) 20:53, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Not intending to Apple-bash here, but some of the claims near the top of the article were heavy on the "revolutionary" rhetoric and loose on the facts. Claims as the first personal computer and first mass market don't match up with the actual history folks. There's lots that was great about the Apple II in the real facts without creating debatable embellishments. Rogdor ( talk) 13:53, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Just some thoughts on the new navigation bar (box section at bottom of page) that's been added to each Apple II article. I find it a bit confusing and rather unnecessary. You have 3 boxes but there are *6* categories listed within them--all I really noticed is the header at the top of each box, and assumed everything inside the box was part of that category. Few people are going to notice the labels below glancing through the articles.
And when you consider there were only six Apple II models released, why is it necessary to have a navigation bar to sort through them? (might be useful for the Macintosh, where there are probably over a hundred models in existence, not the Apple II). You should also keep in mind very few of the models had replacements or successors. For example, the Apple IIGS did not replace any Apple II model (the IIc and IIe still stuck around for years after) and nothing else came after it to succeed it. Ditto for the Apple IIe and Apple IIc Plus, nothing officially replaced them. This bar also auto-hides the list of Apple hardware from before 1988, which clearly shows this:
Apple I · Apple II family (II, II Plus, II Europlus, II J-Plus, IIe, IIc, IIGS, IIc Plus) · Apple III family (Apple III, III Plus)
That's the whole Apple II family, in chronological order. I can just click on the name to jump from model to model. In any case, it's a nice idea but it doesn't work (I tried tweaking it, but then realized it may get even more confusing). Thought I'd discuss it here first... Apple2gs ( talk) 05:23, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
The introduction to the Apple II article stated that it was the first and most successful home computer. That is false; it was preceded by the original Apple I (see the related article) and along with the Apple II, the first Radio Shack TRS-80 computer (Model I) and Commodore PET were all introduced in 1977. They were referred to as the "1977 Trinity". The following year Atari entered the market with their 400 and 800 series PC's.
I changed the wording accordingly to reflect these facts.
Richard Rodriguez, West Covina, California, USA 198.188.168.84 ( talk) 22:58, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Why is the Bell & Howell model relegated to the equivalent of a minor footnote in the Clone section? It should be included in the II Plus section at a minimum, if not its own, but certainly not in the currently confusing placement in the Clone section. Honestly, how many times in Apple's history did they manufacture a product for anyone else, much less license their technology (or produce a computer in black for that matter)?-- Mac128 ( talk) 16:42, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
What is the most common abbreviation for "Apple II"? Thanks. SharkD ( talk) 00:52, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
"The 1 K 80-column card also enabled one new graphics mode, Double Lo-Res (80×48 pixels)."
I question this. The double density graphics modes require bridging a pair of pins on the aux slot (connecting annunciator 3 to the input disables the suppression of 80-column mode for graphics lines). The later stock 64k cards bridged these connections; the earlier stock 64k cards had a jumper for it; the stock 1k card (iirc) did not offer it at all (nor did the earliest IIe boards even support the double density graphics modes). It certainly would be possible to run a jumper wire to enable it (on a revision B or later board, of course); but if anyone ever bothered, it was just for the fun of it. (Software that used double-lo-res-mode was vanishingly rare.)
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überRegenbogen (
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21:34, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
After finishing this article I knew a lot more about the minutiae of Wozniak's innovations than what the Apple II actually did. What precisely made it so well-liked in education? What kind of users didn't mind the lack of a mouse and GUI until late in the 80s? What kind of users preferred it to the Macintosh or Windows-based machines? What could it run/do that those machines couldn't? What programs existed for it and not other machines? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.103.205.155 ( talk) 03:51, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Apple Writer word processing software, on Apple IIe computers, was used by my high school for the purpose of writing, transcribing, and editing school newspaper articles. --
Vorik111 (
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07:10, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
Using the free cycles to do video transfer does not really even begin to qualify as a "clever engineering trick", but is rather the obvious thing to do. Commodore 64 does the same. Also, Apple sucks! -- 93.106.7.207 ( talk) 14:06, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
"Its popularity bootstrapped the entire computer game and educational software markets and began the boom in the word processor and computer printer markets."
This is just one of the many subjective questionable statements in this article. There are too many to list.
I am not anti-Apple, but there WERE a FEW other computer companies around during this thing's lifespan - Atari, Commodore, Texas Instruments, Tandy, etc, etc.
You are allotting WAY TOO MUCH credit to one computer (through a fan's eyes), when in actuality all of these computer companies converged in time and all helped shape the modern computer through trial and error.
Please consider that a child doing a report on early home computers would read your article and proclaim in his research that "Its popularity bootstrapped the ENTIRE computer game and educational software markets...". Is that REALLY true?
This thing needs a serious fair-minded read-through.
The article writes:"The original retail price of the computer was US$1298[9] (with 4 kB of RAM) and US$2638 (with the maximum 48 kB of RAM)". On the site [ Inflation] tells that between 1978 and 2008, the inflation in the United States was 326%. Then, in today's dollars, US$1298 x 3.26 = US$4231.98 ~ US$4232. Today we can by a computerwith 1,000 more potency for four times less money. Progress was astoining in home computers! Agre22 ( talk) 23:09, 22 November 2009 (UTC)agre22
error in 2nd paragraph of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_II_series#Clones ?
I found this conflicting page:
http://a2clones.com/apple_clones_1/basis_108/
"Basis 108 is a shining example of German "over" engineering. The case, for example, is made of heavy cast aluminum, and while other companies sought only to mimic the look and feel of the Apple II, Basis decided to build something altogether better."
Many photos suggest author should recognize aluminum, though photos may be from only literature, not from the page author's personal handling of the PC.
found via
http://images.google.com/images?q=cast+%7C+aluminum+%7C+iron+%22Basis+108%22+apple+%7C+clone 2z2z ( talk) 18:10, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
Would anyone else agree the photographs in this article, representing the Apple II (which historically speaking, is the literal grandfather of the personal computer industry and plays a huge role) are, well, anywhere from mediocre to just poor? It's not that the machines are unattractive, the photographs are. These are the ones I have issue with...
I apologize if I'm being a little to critical and nitpicking here (especially if any of the photos I'm criticizing were taken by a Wikipedia user), I just think the Apple II has a lot of historical importance and it should be well represented and displayed in Wikipedia. Would anyone object if I replaced any of these photos? Either I could scan promotional material from Apple Computer (I have dozens of original pamphlets and brochures) or I can take new photographs. I do have every model of the Apple II family in my personal collection. As an example, I could photograph my 1978 Apple II, with a Disk II drive and 9" monochrome screen (one of the vintage boxy looking displays you'd see in the 70's).--
Apple2gs (
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21:46, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page not moved: no concensus after 35 days. Anthony Appleyard ( talk) 11:50, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
Apple II series → Apple II — No real need for "series" or "family" here; the common name suffices to identify the subject, as with ZX Spectrum and others. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 00:52, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
I removed the redirect and stubbed an article on the eponymous model in the series. -- Nczempin ( talk) 18:11, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
How was colour implemented in PAL (or SECAM) areas? Seeing as on the NTSC original was based on an essentially monochrome computer abusing the standard's AM-based colour system, did it therefore, like the CGA PCs, require use of a dedicated NTSC-standard composite video monitor rather than a TV with an RF or composite input? Or were some additional chips/software tricks implemented to generate colour images under these TV systems with colour encoding systems distinctly different from both NTSC and each other? (I don't see anything about it in the article, at least not whilst skimming it) 31.185.217.37 ( talk) 01:16, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
The article says that II+s all had 16KB language cards, and in the case of everyone I knew, that was true. However, everyone who knew me knew a guy who had a 32KB language card. Now, mine was a clone, and not only did it have to be plugged into slot 0, it had to be plugged into an IC socket on the mobo. Would any such card work on an original? If so, the language will need tweaked. AngusCA ( talk) 04:54, 9 February 2012 (UTC)