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I assume this article is meant to cover instances of discrimination against ethnic Russians, historical grievances that drive lingering distrust and cool relations, unflattering cultural stereotyping, and so on and so forth. Yet, there are several sections where the "anti-Russian sentiment" is just any degree of criticism, any diplomatic rows with the Russian Federation over very specific incidents, or just not submitting to the Moscow line. For instance:
Defining "anti-Russian sentiment" so broadly has a few problems. First, to equate any criticism of Russia to discrimination is both unhelpful and revealing of one's own bias. Second, any diplomatic rows and tense relations more properly belong on pages for foreign relations (eg: Greece–Russia relations). But third— and most importantly— these examples (aside from Vietnam) fall into exactly what the lede warns about: On the other hand, Russian nationalists and apologists of the Russian politics are sometimes criticised for using allegations of "Russophobia" as a form of propaganda to counter criticism of Russia.
I would remove these right away but I wanted to get other editors' thoughts first. Otherwise, I'll come back in a few days and junk them. — Kawnhr ( talk) 19:54, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
The Thesis about Russophobia in Vietnam sounds ridiculous. A lot of "Russian" atrocities towards neighbours like Polands were committed by Ukrainians, Belarusians or Georgians for example. Do older naive German men who were betray by Ukrainian mail-order-brides became also to Ukrainophobes? -- 88.65.184.214 ( talk) 14:41, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
These European polls: https://sg.news.yahoo.com/russians-voted-most-irritating-tourists-european-poll-144512453.html, https://yougov.co.uk/topics/lifestyle/articles-reports/2019/08/30/britons-make-worst-tourists-say-britons-and-spania, https://www.tourism-review.com/travel-tourism-magazine-russians-are-the-worst-tourists-according-to-brits-article970 show a constant negative sentiment against Russian tourists. I know in some countries (mine at least), there is a negative view of the Russian new rich but it is not common. ItalianTourist ( talk) 03:09, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
I think only uneducated Spaniards would hate all Russian People in the world only because of negative experience with some rich Russian Tourists.-- 88.65.184.214 ( talk) 14:44, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
"There is considerable evidence that in fact it was a fake petition with fake signatories aimed at fomenting an opinion about the degree of Russophobia in Latvia." https://www.stopfake.org/en/fake-latvians-want-to-establish-ghetto-for-russians/
StopFake is anti-russian russophobis site, financed by pro-american NED: "This ongoing project relies on viewer support. In 2015, StopFake also received financial support from the International Renaissance Foundation, the National Endowment for Democracy, and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Czech Republic. Nevertheless, StopFake maintains its editorial independence: the organizations and governments supporting the project stipulate how funds are allocated, but not StopFake’s content." https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/comments/4p9yra/ukrainian_site_stopfake_is_financed_by/ https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-funded-projects-in-ukraine-2015-2016 In that article there is not clear evidence that it was a provocation.
"On April 16, 2018 pro-Kremlin activist Aleksandr Gaponenko claimed..." Is there any proofs that he is pro-Kremlin?
"in line with Russian independent anti-government media such as (TV Rain, Novaya Gazeta, Ekho Moskvy, The Moscow Times)"
Independent?? They all financed by pro-american funds! http://www.politonline.ru/interpretation/22882926.html http://www.iarex.ru/articles/62199.html
Alexey Navalny is financing from abroad: http://www.iarex.ru/news/62281.html?utm_source=article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.255.228.113 ( talk) 08:56, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
Its not a bad argument! NED is a Pseudo-NGO that was found by Reagan to outsource some activities of CIA on a private and inofficial organization. Im pretty sure that there also useful Idiots in Russia for American, British or Turkish Propaganda too but we need reliable sources.-- 88.65.184.214 ( talk) 14:48, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
Judging by the content and references in this article it was written by people who hate Russians and want to justify ongoing extermination of Russians in Europe as a legitimate action against not-really-humans. Sentiments of this article is very similar to justification of antisemitism, except instead of crucifixion authors use "Kremlin policy". Shame on wikipedia - and hopefully some legal actions against it should come as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.165.173.131 ( talk) 14:17, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
I removed the section ‘Linguistic issues’ for the following reasons:
I think this was some kind of trolling act by someone obviously versed in Russian culture (who might even be a Russian nationalist themself) to see how long this whole thing will stay in the article for. If there are some salvageable sources in what I have deleted, I welcome their re-addition, but the whole section as it was did not make any sense and was based on extremely dubious sourcing, at least when it comes to Russian sources.
I thought it would be helpful to explain my actions, as probably not a lot of people have the expertise to know why I would remove 64 kB of information out of the blue. stjn [ru] 18:28, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
An IP user or users has/have been repeatedly adding a paragraph to the lead. Per WP:ONUS, you should justify this addition of disputed content here. I have opened this section for you to state your reasoning. Firefangledfeathers ( talk) 05:28, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
You are all Surkov plants and the world needs to know about the sprite I profess. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:140:b:a140:c571:cee3:224b:fef9 ( talk) 06:06, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
If you do not know what this is, you are either too uninformed (I would use stronger language, but won't) to have anything to do with this page, or are maliciously pretending to be such. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:140:A:4C1A:208F:7EFD:92DB:256A ( talk) 07:21, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
False. Very Slavic Independent State of Croatia, Slovak Republic (1939–1945) were German allies. Western Ukrainian nationalists collaborated during certain period creating 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Galician). Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia had some independence, life contitions there were very good. Xx236 ( talk) 08:21, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
The Majority of ethnic Russians and Non-Muslim ethnic minorities in Russia are on average not more homophobic than Poles, Latvians or other Eastern Europeans. There is no structural discrimination of LGBT People in Russia because there is no anti-LGBT law and the violence against gays for example are only individual cases that happen also in Sweden for example. There is only a children rights protection law that contains a section that is about the promoting of Homosexuality among underage persons. According to that law you will be punished if you tell an eight years old boy that Homosexuality is something that is great or if you advice a teenager to become Transgender for example. Lithuania had such a law once too and Hungary has it too currently.-- Konfuziusfreund ( talk) 09:55, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
20:04 02/03/2022
And maybe there is no russian forces on ukraine right now? they do mistreat a lgbtq organisations and people, just due to Russian propaganda u don't know how much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.8.1.132 ( talk) 19:05, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
I found stories involving russian people being blamed for the invasion even though they had ntohing to do with the actions of the government. I think we might see more hate crimes arise from this
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/03/03/anti-russian-sentiment-us/
https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/03/02/the-dangerous-rise-of-russophobia/
someone needs to add these into the page-- Persesus ( talk) 21:00, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
-- Persesus ( talk) 13:30, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
https://thehockeynews.com/.amp/news/report-ohl-player-an-alleged-target-of-anti-russian-slur
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/a-wave-of-anti-russian-hysteria-is-sweeping-across-the-west — Preceding unsigned comment added by Persesus ( talk • contribs) 13:56, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
Under History-18th and 19th century- second paragraph—it’s is used as a possessive instead of contraction, it should be its. Tried to fix but page is protected. 67.240.185.31 ( talk) 02:12, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
Sharp criticism of Russia and Russians is not "russophobic", its close to the truth.
93.206.61.173 ( talk) 00:42, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
Well what happens if it’s people being attacked based on their race Persesus ( talk) 14:17, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
There is no legal nor moral duty to like Russians.
93.206.61.173 ( talk) 03:13, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
I think the IP might be a closeted racist Persesus ( talk) 14:18, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
I got more articles from the Boston globe and WaPo https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/03/08/opinion/this-is-putins-war-anti-russian-xenophobia-wont-save-ukraine/?outputType=amp https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/07/antirussian-hate-putin-europe/ Persesus ( talk) 14:16, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
https://asiatimes.com/2022/03/anti-russian-sentiment-spreading-to-central-europe/ Here is another one Persesus ( talk) 14:18, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
Last one from Chicago tribune https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-russian-tea-time-ukraine-20220310-bzsgsu4stjhqrpmq77oqmq4af4-story.html Persesus ( talk) 14:22, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Talk:2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine/Archive_7#Racism_towards_Russians_who_had_nothing_to_with_the_conflict Persesus ( talk) 16:59, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/get-the-hell-out-wave-of-anti-russian-sentiment-in-europe Persesus ( talk) 04:32, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
Meta just allowed violence toward Russians to their platform https://thenextweb.com/news/meta-temporarily-permits-anti-russian-hate-speech-sets-a-divisive-precedent/amp Also this from time https://time.com/6156582/ukraine-anti-russian-hate/ Persesus ( talk) 04:34, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
More articles for anyone to use https://www.csmonitor.com/layout/set/amphtml/USA/Society/2022/0310/Russian-Americans-face-misdirected-blame-for-war-in-Ukraine https://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/opinion-columns/victor-joecks/victor-joecks-wheres-the-lefts-outrage-over-anti-russian-bias-2543413/amp/ https://www.fox6now.com/news/russian-owned-businesses-in-us-face-discrimination-vandalism-over-ukraine-invasion.amp Persesus ( talk) 04:36, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
This just came from sky news about Russians being attacked in the UK https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-xenophobic-attacks-and-death-threats-reported-by-russians-living-in-the-uk-12561807 Persesus ( talk) 23:23, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
https://jacobinmag.com/2022/03/russophobia-putin-russia-ukraine-war-discrimination-harassment https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-russian-tea-time-ukraine-20220310-bzsgsu4stjhqrpmq77oqmq4af4-story.html I got this in Tokyo https://www.cityam.com/tokyo-exploits-global-anti-russian-sentiment-to-announce-kremlin-controlled-kuril-islands-belong-to-japan/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Persesus ( talk • contribs) 03:10, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/tchaikovsky-cats-and-vodka-have-boycotts-of-russia-gone-too-far-55514 Persesus ( talk) 23:21, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
https://www.counterfire.org/articles/analysis/23073-the-dangerous-tide-of-russophobia https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/vandalizing-antiwar-russian-restaurants-russophobia-n1291865 https://www.thecitizen.in/index.php/en/newsdetail/index/6/21585/russophobia-returns-to-the-west-in-full-force https://newschannel9.com/news/local/russophobia-chattanooga-historian-says-prejudice-historically-occurs-amid-conflict https://diem25.org/russophobia-at-home-wont-help-ukraine/ https://www.currentaffairs.org/2022/03/we-cant-lapse-into-russophobia https://www.msnbc.com/ayman-mohyeldin/watch/putin-s-war-on-ukraine-inflames-russophobia-around-the-world-135287877852 https://artreview.com/the-stupidity-of-the-artworld-russophobia-ukraine-invasion-engels-statue/ Persesus ( talk) 02:54, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
So far nothing as of yet Persesus ( talk) 06:51, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
https://www.npr.org/2022/03/18/1087237667/cultural-boycott-russia-effectiveness-fairness Persesus ( talk) 07:23, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-it-is-vital-we-do-not-play-putin-s-game-of-mother-russia-versus-the-west-1.4832405?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fopinion%2Ffintan-o-toole-justified-rage-at-putin-s-atrocities-must-not-become-russophobia-1.4832405 Persesus ( talk) 19:34, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
YouTube commentator NFRKZ has been attacked based on being Russian should this be added in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_4I8Pr73zA Persesus ( talk) 16:55, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
No mention of Soviet invasion of Finland in WW2? 2001:14BB:CE:5B9B:B09E:B9EE:B749:574E ( talk) 12:25, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
Reference 18 does not show increased anti russian sentiment after the 2022 invasion, it's from 2012. Netanyahuserious ( talk) 07:38, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
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Change "Following the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991, Russophobia saw a significant global decrease. This trend started to reverse as a result of actions such as the Russian anexation of Crimea in 2014." To "Following the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991, Russophobia saw a significant global decrease at first. However, the negative trend in viewing Russia negatively began in 2012 and continues to increase." Christine, Huang (December 16, 2020). "Views of Russia and Putin remain negative across 14 nations". Pew Research Center. Retrieved May 5, 2021.</ref> Ignat Vershinin ( talk) 01:47, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
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template. The source doesn't mention 2012, and the chart shows a much steeper decline beginning in 2014.
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I'm curious, is there a reason why Statistics and Contemporary Russophobia are separate? Both talk about the same period and seem to have almost identical beginning and the end (reversal of the trend after invasion to Ukraine; use of Russophobia by the Kremlin). -- PaulT2022 ( talk) 04:31, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
We do Wikipedia users a disservice if we fail to emphasize that distinction. The crimes being committed against the Ukraine are not the fault of the Russian people, but rather of the dictatorial regime in the Kremlin. MotherEarth'sChild ( talk) 11:29, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
I am hoping to add another section to this article that talks about contemporary Russophobia. As the article already mentions following the collapse of the USSR, Russophobia has dropped to historic lows however that is no longer the case. Following Russian President Vladimir Putin's authorization to use military force against Ukraine, Russophobia has been steadily rising in the Western World once again. An example of this occurring is harassment many ethnic or descendants of ethnic Russians face in Europe and the United States. This is also having an impact on commerce as the iconic Soviet/Russian Stolichnaya brand vodka is renaming itself as "Stoli" in the west in order to distance itself from Russia in part due to Anti-Russian attitudes in the United States. FictiousLibrarian ( talk). 22:53, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
Add that in Persesus ( talk) 14:23, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
When Russia invaded Ukraine last month... For instance, many states, bar owners, and drinkers began boycotting Russian vodkas. But even these latter gestures haven't gone unnoticed, and now, one of the world's most iconic vodka brands will be officially changing its name. PaulT2022 ( talk) 19:44, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
I've added a mention of the effect of media bias on anti-Russian sentiment to the lead and User:Czello flagged it as an NPoV violation. The initial phrasing I used indeed could've been read as that the bias is the sole source of the sentiment, which is obviously incorrect.
I've edited the statement to suggest that the Russian actions are more important than their representation in press and its closer to NPoV now. There's also a similar statement in the US section ("many examples of events which have been deemed to have caused a rising negative impression about Russia in the United States").
While I feel that what the article says now is close to being neutral, I have unease about how its done. We have several sources for one PoV ('biased press influenced a negative view of Russia'), however there are none referenced (and none I could find in Google) that would argue for the another, that the view of Russia in the western press is weighted and unbiased and its actions are indeed a cause of the sentiment. In effect, the article now represents collective WP:OR: it may be a consensus but its not a WP:NPOV as we're using personal PoVs to 'neutralise' sources that indeed say that anti-Russian media bias exists.
TL;DR: there are sources that say that Western media is biased, but no sources that would explicitly say that Russian action X and Y were negatively received. I think its a WP:NPOV issue that needs to be fixed. (Polls such as Pew try to imply causation but they're only talking about temporal timing of perception vs the events.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PaulT2022 ( talk • contribs) 10:40, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
I think it would be appropriate to add factual information about the policies and restrictions targeting Russians purely by nationality, perhaps to the Business section. Examples: [6], [7] -- PaulT2022 ( talk) 18:18, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
the “educative effects” of policies can be positive or negative, conditioning people's experience with racial/ethnic prejudice. When anti-immigrant policies are proposed and passed, the full weight of the law signals that immigrants and their co-ethnics are less valuable members of the community[18]
Banks claim that the measure – proposed by Boris Johnson last month as part of a crackdown on dirty money following Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine – would break equality laws which prevent discrimination on the basis of nationality.[20]
And the second related thing, before someone reads the above as an attempt to push Kremlin propaganda. A better way towards being neutral would be to describe uses of allegation of bias by Russian propaganda. It's discussed in 'Within Russia - As a polemic device', but there were a few instances of using manufactured allegations of Russophobia to shift opinions internationally in the recent years. I think they should be mentioned and the section should be given more prominence given the use of Russophobia in the international discourse. As long as such mentions don't imply that the real Russophobia doesn't exist alongside just because some is made up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PaulT2022 ( talk • contribs) 10:40, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
Kremlin spin doctors resurrected the word ‘russophobia’ to create a myth that anyone criticising Putin’s actions must be prejudiced against Russia and Russians... The Kremlin’s diplomats dismissed as ‘russophobia’ my country’s outrage when Moscow assassins murdered Aleksandr Litvinenko in London with lethal radioactive material. They accused us of ‘russophobia’ again after the GRU attacked Sergei Skripal with banned military nerve agents in Salisbury, killing a local woman. It is not ‘russophobic’ to protest at crimes that put lives at risk.https://blogs.fcdo.gov.uk/sianmacleod/2022/03/28/the-myth-of-russophobia/
we defined Russophobia in our codebook as: U.S. unfairly hates and punishes Russia, attempting to denigrate and deny the county [sic] its fair place in the world order. Includes Russiagate.https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3934064 - not convinced about Russiagate here, seems artificially added to correlate RT&Fox (I don't think RU propaganda ever dismissed or called 'Russophobic' the fact that the RU government was explicitly anti-Clinton in 2016; the article also goes on to say that authors couldn't find correlation with any other definition: "several narratives that were present in enough snippets to attempt machine classification (see Tables 1 and 2), we were only able to achieve reliable results with the machine classifier for the Russophobia narrative"), but the rest of the definition about the "denigrate and deny" narrative seems to be spot on for contemporary use in RU sources. -- PaulT2022 ( talk) 00:30, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
Should we add any cases of Russophobia during this time with Ukraine crisis since both Ukrainians civilians and the people under Putin who anti Putin aka the Russians citizens are being targeted by xenophobes and racists for conspiracist reasons Persesus ( talk) 00:06, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
https://www.wionews.com/world/russophobia-in-us-nears-cold-war-levels-80-see-russia-as-enemy-poll-456748 https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/tom-tugendhat-and-the-worrying-rise-of-russophobia https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/2/25/russians-are-also-victims-of-putin https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/we-must-not-become-engulfed-by-russophobia-s5fk6cs5whttps://inews.co.uk/news/world/russophobia-leads-us-to-assume-the-worst-of-russians-and-assuming-theyre-demonic-could-be-dangerous-1478850 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o 4I8Pr73zA -- Persesus ( talk) 04:48, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
-- Persesus ( talk) 21:36, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Read the section on Ukraine in the page on Anti-Russian sentiment. Then try to edit it. Jhb 1965 ( talk) 21:42, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
What is the connection between Russian war crimes and the Discrimination? Ukrainian people are discriminated, but it is an another subject. Xx236 ( talk) 09:12, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
Russian government propaganda may create anti-Russian sentiment.
The curerent section misinforms. Is it its goal? We need division into periods. Accusations in 2007 were based on internal Chechen wars, later the agression developed rationalizing any accusation.
Hundreds of thousands (milions?) of Ukrainian refugees are Russian-speaking. They may be hated as Russian but it is an error, which should be explained here. Xx236 ( talk) 06:48, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
The lead should summarize the page. The text does not quote the 100 million, so either such information should be added or the number removed from the lead. The number is not obvious, I would prefer this discussion in Talk:Generalplan Ost. Xx236 ( talk) 06:58, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
Words ('rhetorics') against guns ('actions'). The phrase is unacceptable since 2014. Xx236 ( talk) 09:03, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
McFaul's opinion (2020) was an opinion, it was not encyclopedic. There are no RS supporting the thesis. Support for Putin is very high. Xx236 ( talk) 07:29, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
In the US, academics and commentators criticized propagation of stereotypes about Russians, Russian culture and Russian national proclivities by US officials and journalists, sometimes referring to their rhetorical use as "Russophobia" and "hysteria"with multiple sources is more appropriate. PaulT2022 ( talk) 16:07, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
@ Mikeblas, I've changed cite to vcite in the Further reading section (not references) as most of the further reading items listed without template use Vancouver style. I think using cite is better, but to have Further reading list looking consistently someone would have to change other 20-30 items that don't use template to the cite style; so changing items added with templates to vcite was quicker. Didn't realise it would break references - sorry! If you or someone else disagree - please feel free to revert/change as desired. PaulT2022 ( talk) 22:17, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
This article is filled with sections and sources which conflate sentiments against Russia with hate against Russians. This is unsupported and WP:OR.
This discrepancy is rather obvious to all readers and does not sit well.
I propose the article is either:
Regardless, all statements and references must be updated where these terms are conflated. Sources of sentiments against Russia are not sources of prejudice, fear or hatred of people of Russian origin.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by C. lorenz ( talk • contribs) 22:07, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
This matters plenty to readers because understandably there can be rational (as well as irrational) reasons for negative sentiments against nations; while there are rarely rational reasons for discrimation against a person on basis of origin.- the reason why it appears that the article is currently skewed away from this seemingly logical balance is that there are almost no sources that would support the point of view where negative sentiment against Russia and/or Russians is rational. Whereas the opposite point of view, that anti-Russian sentiment is irrational, as well as it conflates sentiment against country and its people, is prevalent, especially in academic sources on 19th century British Russophobia or modern US anti-Russian sentiment. See the introduction of the Bayulgen and Arbatli article for details, as well as US academics referenced in the United States section of the article.
This article isn't the place to rehash debates about the veracity of the Steele Dossier (or parts of it) or the allegations about collusion between Trump and Russia. Stuff like that is off-topic and putting it in here in any substantial and non-neutral way is a violation of WP:COATRACK. Volunteer Marek 01:30, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
"Russophobic incidents and harassments skyrocketed in 2022" - the statement ignores the context:
Putin nor the russian goverment is not radically nationalist there is an argument to made for imperialism but not radical nationalism, as the nationalism of Vlademir Putin’s Russia is civic, multiracial and multicultural. Putin is a murderer Putin is an autocrat but he is not a xenophobe and trying to frame him as that is not helpful in discussing the issues facing russia. 86.114.193.101 ( talk) 20:46, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
To expand on the recent edit's comment by @ AllGloryToTheHypnotoad, I remember reading discussion in the source noting that "less visible" nationalities generally experience much less racially motivated hate crimes (the source uses the term in a sense of ethnically motivated as far as I recall), so always been uncomfortable about such comparison with average being presented throughout the article as two numbers without context (Estonian section isn't the only one that uses it). PaulT2022 ( talk) 20:07, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
This article definitely needs to be monitored for Russian victim propaganda of the type I deleted. Some sections really boggle my mind. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad ( talk) 01:30, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
I think there's too much statistics in the beginning of the article. Possible solution:
-- PaulT2022 ( talk) 02:03, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
I've removed tables from the article per WP:NOTSTATS; don't think they improve the article in the current form. PaulT2022 ( talk) 15:01, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
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mainstream journalists in both the U.S. and Russia contributed to the formation of the negative opinions the citizens of both countries have of each other(which I understand you consider FRINGE) or restore it in the article, as it was removed without an apparent policy-based reason. PaulT2022 ( talk) 04:49, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
Is every demonstration against the invasion of Ukraine going to be included in this article as an example of "anti-Russian sentiment"? Specifically, do the three instances in the Canada section of painting buildings as protest against the Ukraine invasion count as valid content here? Because this seems to contradict the several paragraphs which clarify the topic area in the lede, which make it pretty plain that this article is going to concentrate on things such as "intense and often irrational hatred of Russia", "state-sponsored mistreatment and propaganda against Russians", and "prejudice or hatred against Russians". AllGloryToTheHypnotoad ( talk) 01:13, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
I started a general discussion at Wikipedia:No_original_research/Noticeboard#Scope_of_the_"Anti-N_sentiment"_articles. PaulT2022 ( talk) 01:17, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
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I assume this article is meant to cover instances of discrimination against ethnic Russians, historical grievances that drive lingering distrust and cool relations, unflattering cultural stereotyping, and so on and so forth. Yet, there are several sections where the "anti-Russian sentiment" is just any degree of criticism, any diplomatic rows with the Russian Federation over very specific incidents, or just not submitting to the Moscow line. For instance:
Defining "anti-Russian sentiment" so broadly has a few problems. First, to equate any criticism of Russia to discrimination is both unhelpful and revealing of one's own bias. Second, any diplomatic rows and tense relations more properly belong on pages for foreign relations (eg: Greece–Russia relations). But third— and most importantly— these examples (aside from Vietnam) fall into exactly what the lede warns about: On the other hand, Russian nationalists and apologists of the Russian politics are sometimes criticised for using allegations of "Russophobia" as a form of propaganda to counter criticism of Russia.
I would remove these right away but I wanted to get other editors' thoughts first. Otherwise, I'll come back in a few days and junk them. — Kawnhr ( talk) 19:54, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
The Thesis about Russophobia in Vietnam sounds ridiculous. A lot of "Russian" atrocities towards neighbours like Polands were committed by Ukrainians, Belarusians or Georgians for example. Do older naive German men who were betray by Ukrainian mail-order-brides became also to Ukrainophobes? -- 88.65.184.214 ( talk) 14:41, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
These European polls: https://sg.news.yahoo.com/russians-voted-most-irritating-tourists-european-poll-144512453.html, https://yougov.co.uk/topics/lifestyle/articles-reports/2019/08/30/britons-make-worst-tourists-say-britons-and-spania, https://www.tourism-review.com/travel-tourism-magazine-russians-are-the-worst-tourists-according-to-brits-article970 show a constant negative sentiment against Russian tourists. I know in some countries (mine at least), there is a negative view of the Russian new rich but it is not common. ItalianTourist ( talk) 03:09, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
I think only uneducated Spaniards would hate all Russian People in the world only because of negative experience with some rich Russian Tourists.-- 88.65.184.214 ( talk) 14:44, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
"There is considerable evidence that in fact it was a fake petition with fake signatories aimed at fomenting an opinion about the degree of Russophobia in Latvia." https://www.stopfake.org/en/fake-latvians-want-to-establish-ghetto-for-russians/
StopFake is anti-russian russophobis site, financed by pro-american NED: "This ongoing project relies on viewer support. In 2015, StopFake also received financial support from the International Renaissance Foundation, the National Endowment for Democracy, and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Czech Republic. Nevertheless, StopFake maintains its editorial independence: the organizations and governments supporting the project stipulate how funds are allocated, but not StopFake’s content." https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/comments/4p9yra/ukrainian_site_stopfake_is_financed_by/ https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-funded-projects-in-ukraine-2015-2016 In that article there is not clear evidence that it was a provocation.
"On April 16, 2018 pro-Kremlin activist Aleksandr Gaponenko claimed..." Is there any proofs that he is pro-Kremlin?
"in line with Russian independent anti-government media such as (TV Rain, Novaya Gazeta, Ekho Moskvy, The Moscow Times)"
Independent?? They all financed by pro-american funds! http://www.politonline.ru/interpretation/22882926.html http://www.iarex.ru/articles/62199.html
Alexey Navalny is financing from abroad: http://www.iarex.ru/news/62281.html?utm_source=article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.255.228.113 ( talk) 08:56, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
Its not a bad argument! NED is a Pseudo-NGO that was found by Reagan to outsource some activities of CIA on a private and inofficial organization. Im pretty sure that there also useful Idiots in Russia for American, British or Turkish Propaganda too but we need reliable sources.-- 88.65.184.214 ( talk) 14:48, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
Judging by the content and references in this article it was written by people who hate Russians and want to justify ongoing extermination of Russians in Europe as a legitimate action against not-really-humans. Sentiments of this article is very similar to justification of antisemitism, except instead of crucifixion authors use "Kremlin policy". Shame on wikipedia - and hopefully some legal actions against it should come as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.165.173.131 ( talk) 14:17, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
I removed the section ‘Linguistic issues’ for the following reasons:
I think this was some kind of trolling act by someone obviously versed in Russian culture (who might even be a Russian nationalist themself) to see how long this whole thing will stay in the article for. If there are some salvageable sources in what I have deleted, I welcome their re-addition, but the whole section as it was did not make any sense and was based on extremely dubious sourcing, at least when it comes to Russian sources.
I thought it would be helpful to explain my actions, as probably not a lot of people have the expertise to know why I would remove 64 kB of information out of the blue. stjn [ru] 18:28, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
An IP user or users has/have been repeatedly adding a paragraph to the lead. Per WP:ONUS, you should justify this addition of disputed content here. I have opened this section for you to state your reasoning. Firefangledfeathers ( talk) 05:28, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
You are all Surkov plants and the world needs to know about the sprite I profess. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:140:b:a140:c571:cee3:224b:fef9 ( talk) 06:06, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
If you do not know what this is, you are either too uninformed (I would use stronger language, but won't) to have anything to do with this page, or are maliciously pretending to be such. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:140:A:4C1A:208F:7EFD:92DB:256A ( talk) 07:21, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
False. Very Slavic Independent State of Croatia, Slovak Republic (1939–1945) were German allies. Western Ukrainian nationalists collaborated during certain period creating 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Galician). Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia had some independence, life contitions there were very good. Xx236 ( talk) 08:21, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
The Majority of ethnic Russians and Non-Muslim ethnic minorities in Russia are on average not more homophobic than Poles, Latvians or other Eastern Europeans. There is no structural discrimination of LGBT People in Russia because there is no anti-LGBT law and the violence against gays for example are only individual cases that happen also in Sweden for example. There is only a children rights protection law that contains a section that is about the promoting of Homosexuality among underage persons. According to that law you will be punished if you tell an eight years old boy that Homosexuality is something that is great or if you advice a teenager to become Transgender for example. Lithuania had such a law once too and Hungary has it too currently.-- Konfuziusfreund ( talk) 09:55, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
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And maybe there is no russian forces on ukraine right now? they do mistreat a lgbtq organisations and people, just due to Russian propaganda u don't know how much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.8.1.132 ( talk) 19:05, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
I found stories involving russian people being blamed for the invasion even though they had ntohing to do with the actions of the government. I think we might see more hate crimes arise from this
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/03/03/anti-russian-sentiment-us/
https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/03/02/the-dangerous-rise-of-russophobia/
someone needs to add these into the page-- Persesus ( talk) 21:00, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
-- Persesus ( talk) 13:30, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
https://thehockeynews.com/.amp/news/report-ohl-player-an-alleged-target-of-anti-russian-slur
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/a-wave-of-anti-russian-hysteria-is-sweeping-across-the-west — Preceding unsigned comment added by Persesus ( talk • contribs) 13:56, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
Under History-18th and 19th century- second paragraph—it’s is used as a possessive instead of contraction, it should be its. Tried to fix but page is protected. 67.240.185.31 ( talk) 02:12, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
Sharp criticism of Russia and Russians is not "russophobic", its close to the truth.
93.206.61.173 ( talk) 00:42, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
Well what happens if it’s people being attacked based on their race Persesus ( talk) 14:17, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
There is no legal nor moral duty to like Russians.
93.206.61.173 ( talk) 03:13, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
I think the IP might be a closeted racist Persesus ( talk) 14:18, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
I got more articles from the Boston globe and WaPo https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/03/08/opinion/this-is-putins-war-anti-russian-xenophobia-wont-save-ukraine/?outputType=amp https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/07/antirussian-hate-putin-europe/ Persesus ( talk) 14:16, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
https://asiatimes.com/2022/03/anti-russian-sentiment-spreading-to-central-europe/ Here is another one Persesus ( talk) 14:18, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
Last one from Chicago tribune https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-russian-tea-time-ukraine-20220310-bzsgsu4stjhqrpmq77oqmq4af4-story.html Persesus ( talk) 14:22, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Talk:2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine/Archive_7#Racism_towards_Russians_who_had_nothing_to_with_the_conflict Persesus ( talk) 16:59, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/get-the-hell-out-wave-of-anti-russian-sentiment-in-europe Persesus ( talk) 04:32, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
Meta just allowed violence toward Russians to their platform https://thenextweb.com/news/meta-temporarily-permits-anti-russian-hate-speech-sets-a-divisive-precedent/amp Also this from time https://time.com/6156582/ukraine-anti-russian-hate/ Persesus ( talk) 04:34, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
More articles for anyone to use https://www.csmonitor.com/layout/set/amphtml/USA/Society/2022/0310/Russian-Americans-face-misdirected-blame-for-war-in-Ukraine https://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/opinion-columns/victor-joecks/victor-joecks-wheres-the-lefts-outrage-over-anti-russian-bias-2543413/amp/ https://www.fox6now.com/news/russian-owned-businesses-in-us-face-discrimination-vandalism-over-ukraine-invasion.amp Persesus ( talk) 04:36, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
This just came from sky news about Russians being attacked in the UK https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-xenophobic-attacks-and-death-threats-reported-by-russians-living-in-the-uk-12561807 Persesus ( talk) 23:23, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
https://jacobinmag.com/2022/03/russophobia-putin-russia-ukraine-war-discrimination-harassment https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-russian-tea-time-ukraine-20220310-bzsgsu4stjhqrpmq77oqmq4af4-story.html I got this in Tokyo https://www.cityam.com/tokyo-exploits-global-anti-russian-sentiment-to-announce-kremlin-controlled-kuril-islands-belong-to-japan/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Persesus ( talk • contribs) 03:10, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/tchaikovsky-cats-and-vodka-have-boycotts-of-russia-gone-too-far-55514 Persesus ( talk) 23:21, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
https://www.counterfire.org/articles/analysis/23073-the-dangerous-tide-of-russophobia https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/vandalizing-antiwar-russian-restaurants-russophobia-n1291865 https://www.thecitizen.in/index.php/en/newsdetail/index/6/21585/russophobia-returns-to-the-west-in-full-force https://newschannel9.com/news/local/russophobia-chattanooga-historian-says-prejudice-historically-occurs-amid-conflict https://diem25.org/russophobia-at-home-wont-help-ukraine/ https://www.currentaffairs.org/2022/03/we-cant-lapse-into-russophobia https://www.msnbc.com/ayman-mohyeldin/watch/putin-s-war-on-ukraine-inflames-russophobia-around-the-world-135287877852 https://artreview.com/the-stupidity-of-the-artworld-russophobia-ukraine-invasion-engels-statue/ Persesus ( talk) 02:54, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
So far nothing as of yet Persesus ( talk) 06:51, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
https://www.npr.org/2022/03/18/1087237667/cultural-boycott-russia-effectiveness-fairness Persesus ( talk) 07:23, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-it-is-vital-we-do-not-play-putin-s-game-of-mother-russia-versus-the-west-1.4832405?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fopinion%2Ffintan-o-toole-justified-rage-at-putin-s-atrocities-must-not-become-russophobia-1.4832405 Persesus ( talk) 19:34, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
YouTube commentator NFRKZ has been attacked based on being Russian should this be added in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_4I8Pr73zA Persesus ( talk) 16:55, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
No mention of Soviet invasion of Finland in WW2? 2001:14BB:CE:5B9B:B09E:B9EE:B749:574E ( talk) 12:25, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
Reference 18 does not show increased anti russian sentiment after the 2022 invasion, it's from 2012. Netanyahuserious ( talk) 07:38, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
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Change "Following the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991, Russophobia saw a significant global decrease. This trend started to reverse as a result of actions such as the Russian anexation of Crimea in 2014." To "Following the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991, Russophobia saw a significant global decrease at first. However, the negative trend in viewing Russia negatively began in 2012 and continues to increase." Christine, Huang (December 16, 2020). "Views of Russia and Putin remain negative across 14 nations". Pew Research Center. Retrieved May 5, 2021.</ref> Ignat Vershinin ( talk) 01:47, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
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I'm curious, is there a reason why Statistics and Contemporary Russophobia are separate? Both talk about the same period and seem to have almost identical beginning and the end (reversal of the trend after invasion to Ukraine; use of Russophobia by the Kremlin). -- PaulT2022 ( talk) 04:31, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
We do Wikipedia users a disservice if we fail to emphasize that distinction. The crimes being committed against the Ukraine are not the fault of the Russian people, but rather of the dictatorial regime in the Kremlin. MotherEarth'sChild ( talk) 11:29, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
I am hoping to add another section to this article that talks about contemporary Russophobia. As the article already mentions following the collapse of the USSR, Russophobia has dropped to historic lows however that is no longer the case. Following Russian President Vladimir Putin's authorization to use military force against Ukraine, Russophobia has been steadily rising in the Western World once again. An example of this occurring is harassment many ethnic or descendants of ethnic Russians face in Europe and the United States. This is also having an impact on commerce as the iconic Soviet/Russian Stolichnaya brand vodka is renaming itself as "Stoli" in the west in order to distance itself from Russia in part due to Anti-Russian attitudes in the United States. FictiousLibrarian ( talk). 22:53, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
Add that in Persesus ( talk) 14:23, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
When Russia invaded Ukraine last month... For instance, many states, bar owners, and drinkers began boycotting Russian vodkas. But even these latter gestures haven't gone unnoticed, and now, one of the world's most iconic vodka brands will be officially changing its name. PaulT2022 ( talk) 19:44, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
I've added a mention of the effect of media bias on anti-Russian sentiment to the lead and User:Czello flagged it as an NPoV violation. The initial phrasing I used indeed could've been read as that the bias is the sole source of the sentiment, which is obviously incorrect.
I've edited the statement to suggest that the Russian actions are more important than their representation in press and its closer to NPoV now. There's also a similar statement in the US section ("many examples of events which have been deemed to have caused a rising negative impression about Russia in the United States").
While I feel that what the article says now is close to being neutral, I have unease about how its done. We have several sources for one PoV ('biased press influenced a negative view of Russia'), however there are none referenced (and none I could find in Google) that would argue for the another, that the view of Russia in the western press is weighted and unbiased and its actions are indeed a cause of the sentiment. In effect, the article now represents collective WP:OR: it may be a consensus but its not a WP:NPOV as we're using personal PoVs to 'neutralise' sources that indeed say that anti-Russian media bias exists.
TL;DR: there are sources that say that Western media is biased, but no sources that would explicitly say that Russian action X and Y were negatively received. I think its a WP:NPOV issue that needs to be fixed. (Polls such as Pew try to imply causation but they're only talking about temporal timing of perception vs the events.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PaulT2022 ( talk • contribs) 10:40, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
I think it would be appropriate to add factual information about the policies and restrictions targeting Russians purely by nationality, perhaps to the Business section. Examples: [6], [7] -- PaulT2022 ( talk) 18:18, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
the “educative effects” of policies can be positive or negative, conditioning people's experience with racial/ethnic prejudice. When anti-immigrant policies are proposed and passed, the full weight of the law signals that immigrants and their co-ethnics are less valuable members of the community[18]
Banks claim that the measure – proposed by Boris Johnson last month as part of a crackdown on dirty money following Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine – would break equality laws which prevent discrimination on the basis of nationality.[20]
And the second related thing, before someone reads the above as an attempt to push Kremlin propaganda. A better way towards being neutral would be to describe uses of allegation of bias by Russian propaganda. It's discussed in 'Within Russia - As a polemic device', but there were a few instances of using manufactured allegations of Russophobia to shift opinions internationally in the recent years. I think they should be mentioned and the section should be given more prominence given the use of Russophobia in the international discourse. As long as such mentions don't imply that the real Russophobia doesn't exist alongside just because some is made up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PaulT2022 ( talk • contribs) 10:40, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
Kremlin spin doctors resurrected the word ‘russophobia’ to create a myth that anyone criticising Putin’s actions must be prejudiced against Russia and Russians... The Kremlin’s diplomats dismissed as ‘russophobia’ my country’s outrage when Moscow assassins murdered Aleksandr Litvinenko in London with lethal radioactive material. They accused us of ‘russophobia’ again after the GRU attacked Sergei Skripal with banned military nerve agents in Salisbury, killing a local woman. It is not ‘russophobic’ to protest at crimes that put lives at risk.https://blogs.fcdo.gov.uk/sianmacleod/2022/03/28/the-myth-of-russophobia/
we defined Russophobia in our codebook as: U.S. unfairly hates and punishes Russia, attempting to denigrate and deny the county [sic] its fair place in the world order. Includes Russiagate.https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3934064 - not convinced about Russiagate here, seems artificially added to correlate RT&Fox (I don't think RU propaganda ever dismissed or called 'Russophobic' the fact that the RU government was explicitly anti-Clinton in 2016; the article also goes on to say that authors couldn't find correlation with any other definition: "several narratives that were present in enough snippets to attempt machine classification (see Tables 1 and 2), we were only able to achieve reliable results with the machine classifier for the Russophobia narrative"), but the rest of the definition about the "denigrate and deny" narrative seems to be spot on for contemporary use in RU sources. -- PaulT2022 ( talk) 00:30, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
Should we add any cases of Russophobia during this time with Ukraine crisis since both Ukrainians civilians and the people under Putin who anti Putin aka the Russians citizens are being targeted by xenophobes and racists for conspiracist reasons Persesus ( talk) 00:06, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
https://www.wionews.com/world/russophobia-in-us-nears-cold-war-levels-80-see-russia-as-enemy-poll-456748 https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/tom-tugendhat-and-the-worrying-rise-of-russophobia https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/2/25/russians-are-also-victims-of-putin https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/we-must-not-become-engulfed-by-russophobia-s5fk6cs5whttps://inews.co.uk/news/world/russophobia-leads-us-to-assume-the-worst-of-russians-and-assuming-theyre-demonic-could-be-dangerous-1478850 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o 4I8Pr73zA -- Persesus ( talk) 04:48, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
-- Persesus ( talk) 21:36, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Read the section on Ukraine in the page on Anti-Russian sentiment. Then try to edit it. Jhb 1965 ( talk) 21:42, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
What is the connection between Russian war crimes and the Discrimination? Ukrainian people are discriminated, but it is an another subject. Xx236 ( talk) 09:12, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
Russian government propaganda may create anti-Russian sentiment.
The curerent section misinforms. Is it its goal? We need division into periods. Accusations in 2007 were based on internal Chechen wars, later the agression developed rationalizing any accusation.
Hundreds of thousands (milions?) of Ukrainian refugees are Russian-speaking. They may be hated as Russian but it is an error, which should be explained here. Xx236 ( talk) 06:48, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
The lead should summarize the page. The text does not quote the 100 million, so either such information should be added or the number removed from the lead. The number is not obvious, I would prefer this discussion in Talk:Generalplan Ost. Xx236 ( talk) 06:58, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
Words ('rhetorics') against guns ('actions'). The phrase is unacceptable since 2014. Xx236 ( talk) 09:03, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
McFaul's opinion (2020) was an opinion, it was not encyclopedic. There are no RS supporting the thesis. Support for Putin is very high. Xx236 ( talk) 07:29, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
In the US, academics and commentators criticized propagation of stereotypes about Russians, Russian culture and Russian national proclivities by US officials and journalists, sometimes referring to their rhetorical use as "Russophobia" and "hysteria"with multiple sources is more appropriate. PaulT2022 ( talk) 16:07, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
@ Mikeblas, I've changed cite to vcite in the Further reading section (not references) as most of the further reading items listed without template use Vancouver style. I think using cite is better, but to have Further reading list looking consistently someone would have to change other 20-30 items that don't use template to the cite style; so changing items added with templates to vcite was quicker. Didn't realise it would break references - sorry! If you or someone else disagree - please feel free to revert/change as desired. PaulT2022 ( talk) 22:17, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
This article is filled with sections and sources which conflate sentiments against Russia with hate against Russians. This is unsupported and WP:OR.
This discrepancy is rather obvious to all readers and does not sit well.
I propose the article is either:
Regardless, all statements and references must be updated where these terms are conflated. Sources of sentiments against Russia are not sources of prejudice, fear or hatred of people of Russian origin.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by C. lorenz ( talk • contribs) 22:07, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
This matters plenty to readers because understandably there can be rational (as well as irrational) reasons for negative sentiments against nations; while there are rarely rational reasons for discrimation against a person on basis of origin.- the reason why it appears that the article is currently skewed away from this seemingly logical balance is that there are almost no sources that would support the point of view where negative sentiment against Russia and/or Russians is rational. Whereas the opposite point of view, that anti-Russian sentiment is irrational, as well as it conflates sentiment against country and its people, is prevalent, especially in academic sources on 19th century British Russophobia or modern US anti-Russian sentiment. See the introduction of the Bayulgen and Arbatli article for details, as well as US academics referenced in the United States section of the article.
This article isn't the place to rehash debates about the veracity of the Steele Dossier (or parts of it) or the allegations about collusion between Trump and Russia. Stuff like that is off-topic and putting it in here in any substantial and non-neutral way is a violation of WP:COATRACK. Volunteer Marek 01:30, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
"Russophobic incidents and harassments skyrocketed in 2022" - the statement ignores the context:
Putin nor the russian goverment is not radically nationalist there is an argument to made for imperialism but not radical nationalism, as the nationalism of Vlademir Putin’s Russia is civic, multiracial and multicultural. Putin is a murderer Putin is an autocrat but he is not a xenophobe and trying to frame him as that is not helpful in discussing the issues facing russia. 86.114.193.101 ( talk) 20:46, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
To expand on the recent edit's comment by @ AllGloryToTheHypnotoad, I remember reading discussion in the source noting that "less visible" nationalities generally experience much less racially motivated hate crimes (the source uses the term in a sense of ethnically motivated as far as I recall), so always been uncomfortable about such comparison with average being presented throughout the article as two numbers without context (Estonian section isn't the only one that uses it). PaulT2022 ( talk) 20:07, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
This article definitely needs to be monitored for Russian victim propaganda of the type I deleted. Some sections really boggle my mind. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad ( talk) 01:30, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
I think there's too much statistics in the beginning of the article. Possible solution:
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I've removed tables from the article per WP:NOTSTATS; don't think they improve the article in the current form. PaulT2022 ( talk) 15:01, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
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mainstream journalists in both the U.S. and Russia contributed to the formation of the negative opinions the citizens of both countries have of each other(which I understand you consider FRINGE) or restore it in the article, as it was removed without an apparent policy-based reason. PaulT2022 ( talk) 04:49, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
Is every demonstration against the invasion of Ukraine going to be included in this article as an example of "anti-Russian sentiment"? Specifically, do the three instances in the Canada section of painting buildings as protest against the Ukraine invasion count as valid content here? Because this seems to contradict the several paragraphs which clarify the topic area in the lede, which make it pretty plain that this article is going to concentrate on things such as "intense and often irrational hatred of Russia", "state-sponsored mistreatment and propaganda against Russians", and "prejudice or hatred against Russians". AllGloryToTheHypnotoad ( talk) 01:13, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
I started a general discussion at Wikipedia:No_original_research/Noticeboard#Scope_of_the_"Anti-N_sentiment"_articles. PaulT2022 ( talk) 01:17, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
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